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Is there any way ShR will make it to Live?

Postby snowwight » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:56 pm

Admittedly, I don't have a beta key. I do however, have a +block value set. It's mostly ZA gear - no block value meta gem in the Battlesworn Tuskguard, sadly. But if I use the mother libram, and pop the Auto-blocker, I can sit a bit shy of 1500 bv. Str, if you factor in divine strength, kings, and shield spec, ends up at 0.8 block value per point. I think that by level 75, with the new str conversion rate, 1500 sans activated blocker will certainly be achievable. Let's just do a little bit of math on that.

1500 bv converts to 3000 damage. Of course we still have 1 hand spec, and shield of the templar, which changes that flat 3000 into an even more impressive 3,622. Since this is theorycrafting, let's just say you get lucky on the 4% or so crit I have in that gear and manage to crit with this attack. If that were to happen, now you're talking about a 7,245 crit. For a tiny mana cost, instant, on a 6 sec cooldown. Let's say this happens on a pull, and we've popped AW (why not?). We're now looking at a crit of 8,694. Which is of course, 16,518 threat. For a ranged class to pull off you, with no salv, and no threat reduction, they'd have to immediately follow your crit with one of their own.. for 23k.

Even non-crit, non-AW, we're still talking 1,146 tps from a single ability sans auto-attack.

The funny thing is, I was figuring for leveling, I would probably go ret with shield spec in prot. When you factor in vengeance, crusade, ret aura, Righteous Vengeance, and again pop AW, that 8,694 crit with a shield becomes no less than 10,004. Not bad for wearing gear that mitigates 1500 from every hit (and 8% crit from talents turns that 4% to 12%.. making actually getting a 3 stack of vengeance possible, if somewhat unlikely).

So sadly, though I love the spell, I don't think I'll ever get to use it. I just hope when they do nerf (toning it all the way down to 100% block value would still make it very powerful), they buff something else with block value scaling so that it evens out. My vote is for a mana regen based on block value, as discussed in the other thread, and/or BV-based consecrate scaling. You know that'd be awesome!
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Postby ulushnar » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:57 pm

It depends if it's a spell or a physical ability. Spells only get 150% damage on a crit. And you're talking about the effects of it when you're trinketed up.
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Postby kalbear » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:05 pm

Even non-crit, non-AW, we're still talking 1,146 tps from a single ability sans auto-attack.


My bear regularly gets 2000 TPS mauls. It's not that special, honestly.
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Postby Mehnalas » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:07 pm

The extra damage and threat will make up for losing blessing of sacrifice as well as dps scaling up again.
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Re: Is there any way ShR will make it to Live?

Postby Hearthy » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:08 pm

snowwight wrote:Str, if you factor in divine strength, kings, and shield spec, ends up at 0.8 block value per point.


Shield Spec currently doesn't effect block value obtained from strength.
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Postby Lore » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:24 pm

Also I wouldn't be surprised if +block value gear was phased out entirely, instead of being made in conjunction with the increased +str on gear. I think 1500 BV might be a bit generous of an estimate.
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Postby Sartor » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:28 pm

Shield Slam generates 5k extra aggro, so this our Shield of Righteousness will just fix the things up.
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Postby Vanifae » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:57 pm

They want tanks doing more damage then they are now.
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Postby Conaan! » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:32 pm

you got to remember, righteous fury is no longer 90% increase of holy damage to threat, its only 60% now, unless they changed that.
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Postby Worldie » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:36 pm

Conaan! wrote:you got to remember, righteous fury is no longer 90% increase of holy damage to threat, its only 60% now, unless they changed that.

Tooltip on my buff says no.

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Postby Braundo » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:01 pm

Conaan! wrote:you got to remember, righteous fury is no longer 90% increase of holy damage to threat, its only 60% now, unless they changed that.

They rolled IRF into the base spell so it's always 90%.
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Postby Elennira » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:16 pm

well they removed BoSalv and tranq air totem, so i guess they were thinking 'well, why dont we make tanks do WTFpwnage tps, now'
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Postby Worldie » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:17 pm

Tbh i don't notice many threat issues on the beta atm, the only one who was constantly overaggroing me was a full T6/haste mage, which would overaggro me even on live with BoSalv anyway considering i cba putting marks.
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Postby snowwight » Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:11 pm

Lore wrote:Also I wouldn't be surprised if +block value gear was phased out entirely, instead of being made in conjunction with the increased +str on gear. I think 1500 BV might be a bit generous of an estimate.


Shield Spec currently doesn't effect block value obtained from strength.


If they phase out +bv, and shield spec doesn't affect bv from strength... isn't shield spec kind of worthless(for 3 talent points anyway)?
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Postby Melathys » Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:13 pm

snowwight wrote:
If they phase out +bv, and shield spec doesn't affect bv from strength... isn't shield spec kind of worthless(for 8 talent points anyway)?


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