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Postby Daredevil » Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:59 am

I'd say we will be sporting 30k HP or so...
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Postby Andox » Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:10 am

Daredevil wrote:I'd say we will be sporting 30k HP or so...


The Stamina scaling in TBC was pretty insane. But I still think that we will have some more HP than 30k. For example, we have our talents for 16% more health. And when we are supposed to share gear and weapons with Warrirs it will get pretty silly, since they only get a minor boost in Stamina. But only the time could tell, and it´s hard to speculate in this before you´ve seen the level 80 blues, atleast.
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Postby ulushnar » Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:11 am

Daredevil wrote:I'd say we will be sporting 30k HP or so...


I doubt it, I really do. That said, I don't think 20k unbuffed in lvl 80 blues is unreasonable.
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Postby Equitas » Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:13 am

Ulushnar wrote:
Daredevil wrote:I'd say we will be sporting 30k HP or so...


I doubt it, I really do. That said, I don't think 20k unbuffed in lvl 80 blues is unreasonable.


with lvl 75-80 blue having easily the same ilvl as ZA/BT/MH/Sunwell gear we and sharing prot gear id say wed easily hit the 18K hp unbuffed mark with blues, maybe even 20K.

So I think 30K sounds very reasonably to me.
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Postby ulushnar » Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:28 am

Equitas wrote:
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Daredevil wrote:I'd say we will be sporting 30k HP or so...


I doubt it, I really do. That said, I don't think 20k unbuffed in lvl 80 blues is unreasonable.


with lvl 75-80 blue having easily the same ilvl as ZA/BT/MH/Sunwell gear we and sharing prot gear id say wed easily hit the 18K hp unbuffed mark with blues, maybe even 20K.

So I think 30K sounds very reasonably to me.


I don't see us getting 10k health out of buffs. At present, with the best stamina/health buffs going we're getting about 5k extra health.

Then again, 30k might be possible, but I wouldn't expect to see it before T9-level.
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Postby Equitas » Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:43 am

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well i see lvl 78 blue items with 80 stamina on them. my tankatronic goggles right now fully socketed etc have 91 stamina in them.

I dont think 20 K unbuffed will be unreasonable ;) dont forget that this is lvl 78 meaning that lvl 80 dungeon items still awaiting, aswell as sockets in those items, enchants, glyphs, inscriptions, aswell as heroic items ;) and badge items ;)
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Postby Fridmarr » Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:48 am

Equitas wrote:http://www.worldofraids.com/gallery/files/3/0/2/2/0/wowscrnshot_072408_182222_original.jpg

well i see lvl 78 blue items with 80 stamina on them. my tankatronic goggles right now fully socketed etc have 91 stamina in them.

I dont think 20 K unbuffed will be unreasonable ;) dont forget that this is lvl 78 meaning that lvl 80 dungeon items still awaiting, aswell as sockets in those items, enchants, glyphs, inscriptions, aswell as heroic items ;) and badge items ;)


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Postby Amran20 » Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:08 am

As it stands, you CAN get 20K unbuffed, it just requires retarded levels of Sunwell gear, dual stam trinks, and all that whatnot. I can get to like 18.8K unbuffed with dual stam, but I don't really want to go higher, tbh. =P

I honestly think that level 80 dungeon blues MAY replace T6/Sunwell gear. Depends on stat allocation. But I wouldn't expect a huge jump in HP.

It also depends on stam per level in WotLK.
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Postby Origon » Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:23 am

Would be interesting to see how much stam the top end enchants give. With the 30stam epic gems, and assuming 17 gemslots (1 head, 2 shoulders, 3 chest, 1 bracer, 2 glove, 2 belt, 3 pants, 2 boots) thatd give you somewhere about 3200 more hp, addon the better enchants, 25k unbuffed should be doable
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Postby Tev » Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:51 am

Origon wrote:Would be interesting to see how much stam the top end enchants give. With the 30stam epic gems, and assuming 17 gemslots (1 head, 2 shoulders, 3 chest, 1 bracer, 2 glove, 2 belt, 3 pants, 2 boots) thatd give you somewhere about 3200 more hp, addon the better enchants, 25k unbuffed should be doable


Dont forget you can get a BS to slot your weapon also, +1 gem there at least
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Postby Origon » Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:12 am

If you really wanted to, could go enchanting / JC / BS (any one of them) with mining and get a new ring enchant for stats (hopefully) / better epic gem for some more stam / extra gemslot (thought that extra slot was bs only, no?) and the 35stam from mining

so assuming the 17 slots thats 255 stam, miner? 300, jc? 315
with kings, sacred duty and weapon expertise talents thats roughly 4040hp increase at least (assuming i did the math right, (315 * 1.1 * 1.06 * 1.1)*10 )

(counting the gems as a 15stam increase over the 15stam gems atm)
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Postby Mithos » Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:55 am

If I regemmed my T6 shoulers right now I could get 19.1k unbuffed HP, and I'm still using the bloody chicken helm from ZA. Ofc that's not practical, its more like 17.6k unbuffed in regular gear.

I don't see 30k being unreasonable tbh, max rank commanding shout gives 2350 HP or something at level 80, fort will give a load more too, so will blood pact (lol) if anyone dares spec affliction. The we have 16% +sta and then kings too so, everything will scaley rather nicely.
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Postby Origon » Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:59 am

Well with the 4k extra hp off the gems (roughly), then there's the hp off gear, since T6 will get replaced sometime before icecrown glacier, even if not right at 80, new better stam enchants should be 25k selfbuffed with kings quite easily

As ulu said earlier, 5k hp or so from raidbuffs, would go up a bit so 30k is definitely doable once you upgrade your t6 to something with a bit more stam. Definitely may not be the best setup, or any good at all depending on the scenario, but 30k should be reachable. Personally, i'm more curious as to whether breaking 35k raidbuffed at t9 level would be doable
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Postby Equitas » Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:18 am

Well thats all fun and giggles i have to admit since the numbers sound incredibly stupidly overpowered :D but... how will boss dmg scale oO

pressure on healers is going to be insane imagine bosses swinging for 15K hits... GL and have fun....
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Postby Origon » Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:20 am

Oh I'm just imagining a T9 tankadin with 30-35k hp in WSG >=)
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