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Holy Shield buffed to 10 charges?

Postby Teyrocar » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:25 pm

I don't know if anyone noticed, but on the WotLK beta talents Blizzard just recently put up on their own site...

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/cla ... ents2.html

...Holy Shield is apparently now 6 charges standard + 4 from the Improvement talent for a total of 10.
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Postby Worldie » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:28 pm

Correct, they buffed it to 6 baseline charges.

I'm thinking of skipping imp HS
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Postby moduspwnens » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:28 pm

Worldie wrote:Correct, they buffed it to 6 baseline charges.

I'm thinking of skipping imp HS


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Postby Elvidnir » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:30 pm

I can see Imp HS being useful in high-aoe situations, but I would agree that with the baseline buffed I wouldn't take more than 1 point max due to prot tree bloat.
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Postby moduspwnens » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:31 pm

Elvidnir wrote:I can see Imp HS being useful in high-aoe situations, but I would agree that with the baseline buffed I wouldn't take more than 1 point max due to prot tree bloat.


With all the threat buffs we're getting with new spells and such, I think taking Imp HS would be pretty much silly. Even in AoE situations, the charges are eaten so quickly and randomly that they can't be counted on. IMO, talent of the past.
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Postby Strom » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:38 pm

Whoa! Did you guys see Redoubt?

50% chance to increase block by 6% for 10 sec when hit by melee or ranged atteck.....
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Postby Dorvan » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:42 pm

Strom wrote:Whoa! Did you guys see Redoubt?

50% chance to increase block by 6% for 10 sec when hit by melee or ranged atteck.....


huh? You've got your scaling backwards...it's still 10% chance to increase block chance by 6/12/18/24/30%

*not* 10/20/30/40/50% chance to increase block by 6%
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Postby Andryana » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:42 pm

Strom wrote:Whoa! Did you guys see Redoubt?

50% chance to increase block by 6% for 10 sec when hit by melee or ranged atteck.....


I still see it as a 10% chance with 5 points on it.
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Postby Strom » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:44 pm

Dorvan wrote:
Strom wrote:Whoa! Did you guys see Redoubt?

50% chance to increase block by 6% for 10 sec when hit by melee or ranged atteck.....


huh? You've got your scaling backwards...it's still 10% chance to increase block chance by 6/12/18/24/30%

*not* 10/20/30/40/50% chance to increase block by 6%


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Postby moduspwnens » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:14 pm

You guys are all silly. Redoubt is one of my favorite talents, and I hope avoidance makes for its continued use in WotLK.
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Postby PsiVen » Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:34 pm

You like redoubt but not imp hs... wtf you're ALL nuts
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Postby Jonlo » Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:36 pm

PsiVen wrote:You like redoubt but not imp hs... wtf you're ALL nuts


I like Redoubt cause it's needed for Shield Spec. Other than that it's meh.
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Postby ulushnar » Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:38 pm

PsiVen wrote:You like redoubt but not imp hs... wtf you're ALL nuts


Agreed.

It's not the extra charges I'm interested in, it's the boost in damage from Improved HS I'm interested in.
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Postby moduspwnens » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:01 pm

PsiVen wrote:You like redoubt but not imp hs... wtf you're ALL nuts


Imp HS is not useful in MT situations now, since we already have six charges. It was never that useful in AoE situations, and it's a very small portion of our threat as it is. You all must admit that if 70% passive avoidance can't be reached, it will be an excellent talent.

... and Dorvan and I have argued that based on current info, it looks like that will be the case, so I'm a fan.

It's also retardedly OP in AoE situations.
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Postby PsiVen » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:08 pm

You mean 70% for uncrushable? I don't see that being impossible. If the ratings equivalence is 2:1 at 80 I will still be able to reach it with my current gear, possibly without even regemming.

Impractical, maybe for Naxx. But even if they flatten all avoidance scaling we could gem for it in the gear they give us.
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