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Postby Worldie » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:41 am

And it can crit for OVER NINE THOUSAND threat.
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Postby moduspwnens » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:09 am

Worldie wrote:And it can crit for OVER NINE THOUSAND threat.


WHAT?! NINE THOUSAND?!
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Postby jere » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:11 am

Tisiphone wrote:This is what I wrote on the official forums:

With 1000 Block Value, Shield Specialization and Righteous Fury:
1000 * 1.3 * 1.9 * 2 = 4940 threat.

Adding Shield of the Templar talent :
1000 * 1.3 * 1.9 * 1.15 * 2 = 5681threat.

Adding 10% Block Value meta gem :
1000 * 1.3 * 1.9 * 1.15 * 1.1 *2 = 6249.1 threat.

Adding 1h spec :
1000 * 1.3 * 1.9 * 1.15 * 1.1 * 1.05 *2 = 6561,6 threat.

That is too without the "increased threat" component. Quite amazing numbers


Just some notes:

Shield Spec does not increase all BV by 30%. It doesn't affect BV from STR, only BV from gear where it is called Block Value. Not a big issue in live, but with the possible STR scaling in WotLK, it might make a difference.

The meta gem is not the same as multiplying by 1.1. It is very weird in that it adds to Shield spec rather than multiplies. So 1.3 would become 1.4 with the meta gem, but you would not do 1.3*1.1, which is 1.43.
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Postby QuantumDelta » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:13 am

Wait shield spec isn't multiplicative right on the end of everything?
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Postby Fridmarr » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:20 am

jere wrote:Just some notes:

Shield Spec does not increase all BV by 30%. It doesn't affect BV from STR, only BV from gear where it is called Block Value. Not a big issue in live, but with the possible STR scaling in WotLK, it might make a difference.

The meta gem is not the same as multiplying by 1.1. It is very weird in that it adds to Shield spec rather than multiplies. So 1.3 would become 1.4 with the meta gem, but you would not do 1.3*1.1, which is 1.43.


Just speculation at this point, but we haven't seen any items with block value yet, and since DeathKnights don't use the stat, I won't be surprised if it only exists on shields.
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Postby jere » Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:01 pm

Fridmarr wrote:
jere wrote:Just some notes:

Shield Spec does not increase all BV by 30%. It doesn't affect BV from STR, only BV from gear where it is called Block Value. Not a big issue in live, but with the possible STR scaling in WotLK, it might make a difference.

The meta gem is not the same as multiplying by 1.1. It is very weird in that it adds to Shield spec rather than multiplies. So 1.3 would become 1.4 with the meta gem, but you would not do 1.3*1.1, which is 1.43.


Just speculation at this point, but we haven't seen any items with block value yet, and since DeathKnights don't use the stat, I won't be surprised if it only exists on shields.


Well, I guess my point was just to remind him that we also get block value from STR and it isn't multiplied by 1.3 currently. If we don't get block value on items, I wonder if they will change how the multiplier works.
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Postby Fridmarr » Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:02 pm

jere wrote:
Fridmarr wrote:
jere wrote:Just some notes:

Shield Spec does not increase all BV by 30%. It doesn't affect BV from STR, only BV from gear where it is called Block Value. Not a big issue in live, but with the possible STR scaling in WotLK, it might make a difference.

The meta gem is not the same as multiplying by 1.1. It is very weird in that it adds to Shield spec rather than multiplies. So 1.3 would become 1.4 with the meta gem, but you would not do 1.3*1.1, which is 1.43.


Just speculation at this point, but we haven't seen any items with block value yet, and since DeathKnights don't use the stat, I won't be surprised if it only exists on shields.


Well, I guess my point was just to remind him that we also get block value from STR and it isn't multiplied by 1.3 currently. If we don't get block value on items, I wonder if they will change how the multiplier works.


Well if they don't, that'll probably save me 8 talent points :)
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Postby Damiun » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:22 pm

Fridmarr wrote:
jere wrote:
Fridmarr wrote:
jere wrote:Just some notes:

Shield Spec does not increase all BV by 30%. It doesn't affect BV from STR, only BV from gear where it is called Block Value. Not a big issue in live, but with the possible STR scaling in WotLK, it might make a difference.

The meta gem is not the same as multiplying by 1.1. It is very weird in that it adds to Shield spec rather than multiplies. So 1.3 would become 1.4 with the meta gem, but you would not do 1.3*1.1, which is 1.43.


Just speculation at this point, but we haven't seen any items with block value yet, and since DeathKnights don't use the stat, I won't be surprised if it only exists on shields.


Well, I guess my point was just to remind him that we also get block value from STR and it isn't multiplied by 1.3 currently. If we don't get block value on items, I wonder if they will change how the multiplier works.


Well if they don't, that'll probably save me 8 talent points :)


if they dont itll save EVERY paladin 8 talent poitns o.O

unless... wtb: level 80 versions of gnoemrgan autoblocker
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Postby Sharlos » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:54 pm

Damiun wrote:
Fridmarr wrote:
jere wrote:
Fridmarr wrote:
jere wrote:Just some notes:

Shield Spec does not increase all BV by 30%. It doesn't affect BV from STR, only BV from gear where it is called Block Value. Not a big issue in live, but with the possible STR scaling in WotLK, it might make a difference.

The meta gem is not the same as multiplying by 1.1. It is very weird in that it adds to Shield spec rather than multiplies. So 1.3 would become 1.4 with the meta gem, but you would not do 1.3*1.1, which is 1.43.


Just speculation at this point, but we haven't seen any items with block value yet, and since DeathKnights don't use the stat, I won't be surprised if it only exists on shields.


Well, I guess my point was just to remind him that we also get block value from STR and it isn't multiplied by 1.3 currently. If we don't get block value on items, I wonder if they will change how the multiplier works.


Well if they don't, that'll probably save me 8 talent points :)


if they dont itll save EVERY paladin 8 talent poitns o.O

unless... wtb: level 80 versions of gnoemrgan autoblocker


if you don't get edoubt you'll need to spend points in divine strength to get to the next teir. ideally, they'd change redoubt to a 2 point talent.
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Postby Mavrix » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:47 am

Sharlos wrote:
Damiun wrote:
Fridmarr wrote:
jere wrote:
Fridmarr wrote:
jere wrote:Just some notes:

Shield Spec does not increase all BV by 30%. It doesn't affect BV from STR, only BV from gear where it is called Block Value. Not a big issue in live, but with the possible STR scaling in WotLK, it might make a difference.

The meta gem is not the same as multiplying by 1.1. It is very weird in that it adds to Shield spec rather than multiplies. So 1.3 would become 1.4 with the meta gem, but you would not do 1.3*1.1, which is 1.43.


Just speculation at this point, but we haven't seen any items with block value yet, and since DeathKnights don't use the stat, I won't be surprised if it only exists on shields.


Well, I guess my point was just to remind him that we also get block value from STR and it isn't multiplied by 1.3 currently. If we don't get block value on items, I wonder if they will change how the multiplier works.


Well if they don't, that'll probably save me 8 talent points :)


if they dont itll save EVERY paladin 8 talent poitns o.O

unless... wtb: level 80 versions of gnoemrgan autoblocker


if you don't get edoubt you'll need to spend points in divine strength to get to the next teir. ideally, they'd change redoubt to a 2 point talent.


Or better yet roll shield spec into it or decouple redoubt from shield spec entirely.
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