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Postby Anenome » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:14 pm

Ulushnar wrote:I really like the "Guarded by the Light" talent, even if it's really just there to help us out on farm content.

If they go live in this form, I'll probably aim for something like this:

http://www.war-tools.com/t56176.html?b= ... 232105005w

Had to sacrifice Precision, but hopefully the combined hit/spellhit stat will make capping that easier.


- Can we stop pretending that we can create builds that skip Kings??? That is not gonna fly, especially in 10-raids.
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Postby Splug » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:00 pm

For 5/10 man content it won't, but for 25-player raiding, which is the focus for a lot of people here, it's a matter of only needing one player out of the entire raid with the buff. If one of the holydins decides they don't need the off-spec points, or your retadin doesn't, then it's covered for you.

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Postby DeadlyRabbit » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:04 pm

Things are very rough right now, guild mate posted a screen shot of his ret paly using wings and a trinket and getting a crit with Seal of command for 21,000 damage at level 73.
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Postby Nymeros » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:07 pm

Splug wrote:For 5/10 man content it won't, but for 25-player raiding, which is the focus for a lot of people here, it's a matter of only needing one player out of the entire raid with the buff. If one of the holydins decides they don't need the off-spec points, or your retadin doesn't, then it's covered for you.


Except that many Holy Paladins are going 23 in Ret for Sheath of Light + Conviction due to the fact that that's much better than their 51 pointer.
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Postby Splug » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:02 pm

Nymeros wrote:
Splug wrote:For 5/10 man content it won't, but for 25-player raiding, which is the focus for a lot of people here, it's a matter of only needing one player out of the entire raid with the buff. If one of the holydins decides they don't need the off-spec points, or your retadin doesn't, then it's covered for you.


Except that many Holy Paladins are going 23 in Ret for Sheath of Light + Conviction due to the fact that that's much better than their 51 pointer.
With divine strength moved to the prot tree, I'd suspect retribution will still have an easy time picking it up. One person has to bite the bullet for the whole raid, it may or may not be the tank.

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Postby Mortehl » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:15 pm

Sorry, but I won't be picking up kings. If the raid wants it, the holydins can get it for them.
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Postby Jonlo » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:27 pm

Mortehl wrote:Sorry, but I won't be picking up kings. If the raid wants it, the holydins can get it for them.


A big QFT here.
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Postby Splug » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:55 pm

Jonlo wrote:
Mortehl wrote:Sorry, but I won't be picking up kings. If the raid wants it, the holydins can get it for them.


A big QFT here.
If the damage warriors refuse to put up thunderclap and demo when there's no alternative, you kick them out of the raid.

If the prot paladin refuses to pick up bok when there's no alternative, _______________

If there's someone else who can reach it conveniently and supply the buff to the raid, then more power to you- only one person needs it. If there isn't, it's a major raid utility item, and you're shooting yourself in the foot by sacrificing a 10% stam boost. In that case, that's probably more valuable than any single other tallent point you're going to spend, from your own perspective alone.

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Postby moduspwnens » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:00 pm

Splug wrote:If the damage warriors refuse to put up thunderclap and demo when there's no alternative, you kick them out of the raid.

If the prot paladin refuses to pick up bok when there's no alternative, _______________

If there's someone else who can reach it conveniently and supply the buff to the raid, then more power to you- only one person needs it. If there isn't, it's a major raid utility item, and you're shooting yourself in the foot by sacrificing a 10% stam boost. In that case, that's probably more valuable than any single other tallent point you're going to spend, from your own perspective alone.

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Big QFT here. They'll want Conviction (assuming it stays the same), and Benediction (since they'll be judging and sealing), and Heart of the Crusader (since they'll be judging).
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Postby Jtree » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:16 pm

Splug wrote:
Jonlo wrote:
Mortehl wrote:Sorry, but I won't be picking up kings. If the raid wants it, the holydins can get it for them.


A big QFT here.
If the damage warriors refuse to put up thunderclap and demo when there's no alternative, you kick them out of the raid.

If the prot paladin refuses to pick up bok when there's no alternative, _______________

If there's someone else who can reach it conveniently and supply the buff to the raid, then more power to you- only one person needs it. If there isn't, it's a major raid utility item, and you're shooting yourself in the foot by sacrificing a 10% stam boost. In that case, that's probably more valuable than any single other tallent point you're going to spend, from your own perspective alone.

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With our new abilities, BoK is even more important than before. 10% more stamina = 10% more spell damage. 10% more strength means harder hitting Hammer of the Righteous and Shield of Righteousness, especially if 2 STR = 1 BV is really there when Wrath goes live.

IMO, not guaranteeing yourself BoK all the time is shooting yourself in both feet.
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Postby fuzzygeek » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:30 pm

Anenome wrote:- Can we stop pretending that we can create builds that skip Kings??? That is not gonna fly, especially in 10-raids.


I haven't had kings in months. Quite probably since last year.

Splug wrote:If the damage warriors refuse to put up thunderclap and demo when there's no alternative, you kick them out of the raid.

If the prot paladin refuses to pick up bok when there's no alternative, _______________


There usually is an alternative in content that matters.

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Postby moduspwnens » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:36 pm

fuzzygeek wrote:
Anenome wrote:- Can we stop pretending that we can create builds that skip Kings??? That is not gonna fly, especially in 10-raids.


I haven't had kings in months. Quite probably since last year.


...but right now there's no nerf to holy to do that. In Wrath, there will be.

I wrote:They'll want Conviction (assuming it stays the same), and Benediction (since they'll be judging and sealing), and Heart of the Crusader (since they'll be judging).
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Postby fuzzygeek » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:06 pm

moduspwnens wrote:...but right now there's no nerf to holy to do that.


I haven't looked very hard at very many trees, since it's still a very long time until launch and who knows how much things will change.

But.

Would having a utility paladin that specs fairly deep into prot to get Kings/DG/IDA be feasible? We bring maldiction locks for utility ... why not a Holy/prot paladin?

Like, I can make a 51/20 build that seems reasonable http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sxAzxGzhVu0xRttGzhMc , but I don't know if I'm overlooking something big with regards to holydin pve.

edit: oh, right, conviction and benediction. Well, that's the tradeoff I guess.
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Postby Splug » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:26 pm

My point was just that saying "The holydins have it or no one does, I'm not going to do it," won't fly with a lot of guilds. It looks like ret is the ideal canidate, but it's a smaller hit for prot to spend the one point than for holy to spend 11 that essentially return nothing or almost nothing. If the holydins are still willing to do it with an actual alternative in ret, then hey more power to 'em, but saying that if they don't want to you're not going to regardless is just silly and selfish.

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Postby Tycho » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:48 pm

Personally, I'm of the opinoin that Might / Wisdom is going to be better in the majority of cases anyways.

BoK just isn't worth a talent point in almost any current WotLK tank specs I put together.
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