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Kalecgos, Brutallus, Felmyst, M'uru, Entropius, Kil'jaeden

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Postby Croiky » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:30 pm

Brutalis down, getting to tank felmyst so after our main tank gets shield hopefully it'll drop before another gets in :P

ty for all the advice and wws on these forums helps alot so far
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Postby Elsie » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:46 pm

Anything between 1500-1800 is good. Unfortunately the fight lasts 6 minutes which is not optimal for Avenging Wrath: you are only going to get 2 in and the cooldown for your 3rd will be up just as the fight finishes. He has high armour too so I don't think he is too flattering for ret paladins. You're not going to do Teron quality DPS on him I don't think.

After 6 minutes he can divine shield + taunt, giving the raid 3 more valuable seconds, though.

Seal of Blood is based off initial swing damage, thankfully. This is based off armor ignore doing nothing for SoB. Sorry to alliance paladins.
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Postby Lieris » Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:00 pm

Elsie wrote:
Anything between 1500-1800 is good. Unfortunately the fight lasts 6 minutes which is not optimal for Avenging Wrath: you are only going to get 2 in and the cooldown for your 3rd will be up just as the fight finishes. He has high armour too so I don't think he is too flattering for ret paladins. You're not going to do Teron quality DPS on him I don't think.

After 6 minutes he can divine shield + taunt, giving the raid 3 more valuable seconds, though.

Seal of Blood is based off initial swing damage, thankfully. This is based off armor ignore doing nothing for SoB. Sorry to alliance paladins.


Is that even possible?

Seal of Command ignores armour too btw.
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Postby fiorina » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:12 am

Worldie wrote:Hyjacking the topic, what would be considered a appropriate DPS for a ret paladin for this fight?


This is me last week
http://wowwebstats.com/okejjhe2dpj5q?s=10120-10464

I am retri just for this fight so I have lesser gear. Top guys can do 1800.
http://www.wwsscoreboard.com/bossclassv ... ?bossid=42

This requires group with ele shaman and many leatherworkers.
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Postby Rhî » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:25 am

fiorina wrote:
Worldie wrote:Hyjacking the topic, what would be considered a appropriate DPS for a ret paladin for this fight?


This is me last week
http://wowwebstats.com/okejjhe2dpj5q?s=10120-10464

I am retri just for this fight so I have lesser gear. Top guys can do 1800.
http://www.wwsscoreboard.com/bossclassv ... ?bossid=42

This requires group with ele shaman and many leatherworkers.


I'm only a Ret for this fight, too. But to be honest, my Ret-Gear is pretty good and you need an almost perfect melee-group. My group is: Arms-Warrior, Enhancer, 2x rogue, me. And I don't know exactly the number of leatherworkers, but I believe it were two. And we gain an extra bloodlust from a shaman from another group. The Warrior was switched with that shaman for a moment. Because my dps is slightly higher than his before 20%. The 2nd Bloodlust comes from the enhancer at 25% or somewehere near the end.
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Postby Lore » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:04 am

Did some quick attempts on him last night, this is what I got out of it:

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Positioning on the pull made a lot more sense once I figured that out >.>
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Postby Worldie » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:46 am

fiorina wrote:
Worldie wrote:Hyjacking the topic, what would be considered a appropriate DPS for a ret paladin for this fight?


This is me last week
http://wowwebstats.com/okejjhe2dpj5q?s=10120-10464

I am retri just for this fight so I have lesser gear. Top guys can do 1800.
http://www.wwsscoreboard.com/bossclassv ... ?bossid=42

This requires group with ele shaman and many leatherworkers.

mmm 1600 dps, i'm stuck at 1300ish but i guess i can get more with a proper melee party and abusing of every possible buff
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Postby Mínas » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:54 am

This is the dps from ur first kill, 2 weeks ago:

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Try to use exorcism, consecrate etc on cd. I had 4 drums in my grp, bloodlust etc..
The fight is very mana intensive, so i couldn´t use haste pots :/
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Postby Teckbot » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:05 am

Since we're talking about Ret DPS here on Brut, just in case it wasn't evident to some of us here:

Seal of Command is ~200DPS lower than Seal of Blood.

If you're Alliance and looking at the numbers posted above by our BElf bretheren, keep that in mind.
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Postby Elsie » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:19 pm

Is that even possible?

yes, it's possible to divine shield and taunt something to hold aggro for 3 seconds. The bosskiller strategy recommends it for holy paladins, in fact. Not that boss killers means anything.
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Postby Tisiphone » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:13 am

Teckbot wrote:
Seal of Command is ~200DPS lower than Seal of Blood.

It would be very kind of you not to pull numbers out of your backdoor.



I guess I'll be speccing for +3% crit for Brutallus. :P (Tank spec)
Like they say, bind all buttons to FoL and just roll your head over the keyboard.
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Postby Gerilith » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:20 am

Tisiphone wrote:
Teckbot wrote:
Seal of Command is ~200DPS lower than Seal of Blood.

It would be very kind of you not to pull numbers out of your backdoor.

Weapon Speed 3.8

SoC: 44.3% for 70% weapon damage
SoB: 100% for 35% weapon damage

0.443*0.7=0.310 vs. 0.35

about 50% of up to 1800 DPS are from swings -> 900 DPS white dmg

0.310*900=279.3
0.35*900=315

-> 35.7 DPS

This + having more mana to put in more Consecration + Exorcism

-> ~100 DPS

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Postby Lieris » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:48 am

Human expertise racial more than covers the difference, you're unlikely to be capped from items at this point.

SOB really isn't that much better at all than SOC. JOB is considerably better than JOC because the latter uses spell hit (lol) but then you get to use the fancy badge libram (the crit libram "bug" has been fixed, the crit is no longer permanent).

I'm not saying that the blood paladin racial seal isn't an advantage but it's a grossly exaggerated one. Some alliance on the WoW forums act like getting this seal will solve all their class problems but they are wrong, the problems are much deeper than that and JOB still scales with spell damage :/
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Postby Tisiphone » Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:35 am

Gerilith wrote:Better?

Well, no. You're still doing it.
And you forgot JoCR on target. :roll:

And yes, I agree to Lieris. :wink:
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Postby Questioner » Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:43 am

This fight shouldn't be too far in my future, so...

Alright, I have heard some people saying EH is absolutely the way to go on this boss. Then another crowd saying they regemmed/geared avoidance specifically because of this fight.

HALP?



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