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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Teranoid » Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:32 am

Maybe because they're responsible adults who feel their child is smart enough to distinguish fantasy from reality? Holy shit what a concept right? People actually raising their children!
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:10 pm

I forgot you know them better than I do - how dumb of me :roll: Neither of them are very aware of gaming in general and neither were they aware exactly what the game entailed until I gave them the Cliff's note.

Lay off the snark, or at least argument with the game in mind, not generalistic BS. I'm not here to start a fight either against you guys or the "mature" game industry - I actually have my own copy of the game, and I'd root for it to anyone mature enough to handle it.

Short version: I'm chocked that some adults don't stop to even think for a second when giving children sensitive material. It' the lack of forethought that stuns me more than the actual purchase.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Worldie » Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:10 pm

Sagara wrote:Short version: I'm chocked that some adults don't stop to even think for a second when giving children sensitive material. It' the lack of forethought that stuns me more than the actual purchase.

Without talking about GTA specifically but more about games in general, a large majority of the adults not only have no clue about what happens in gameplay and scenes, but also refuse to even learn the gaming world and just deem those games as "child play" without knowing what they really are.
They probably just imagine all games to be like pokemon.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:02 pm

and that is why we have the rating systems, which are being ignored by those that they are supposed to help the most
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Worldie » Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:07 pm

bldavis wrote:and that is why we have the rating systems, which are being ignored by those that they are supposed to help the most

Well ask yourself, how many underage people play even WoW? Do people give a fuck about the fact that the terms you accept on login require you to be 18+?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:29 pm

thats my point...
people dont care really
and video games are an easy scapegoat for when something bad happens
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Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPS
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fetzie » Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:34 pm

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bldavis wrote:and that is why we have the rating systems, which are being ignored by those that they are supposed to help the most

Well ask yourself, how many underage people play even WoW? Do people give a fuck about the fact that the terms you accept on login require you to be 18+?

They actually require you to have the permission of a responsible adult if you are under 18, IIRC. And that is because you can't be liable for breach of contract if you are under 18. The actual game is rated from 12/13 (depending on system used).
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bldavis wrote:we are trying to extend it as long as we can...it just never seems to last very long
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Worldie » Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:21 pm

Yet there's loads of actual kids that play it (not talking about behaviour but about actual age, several guildies of mine dont mind at all letting their <10 kids play)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:52 pm

Remember having one of those in the guild way back when - a 10y old girl, daughter of two guildies.
That's something I'm more at ease with - they know what she's going into, and made a conscious choice in full knowledge.

These aren't the people that will blame "the intertubes" when something goes wrong.

Beating the dead horse, but it reminds me a lot how some parents just shrug their shoulders and blame the schools, or the other children when their kids go wrong, when they haven't lifted a finger to do something about it.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Era » Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:41 am

Bad lecturer.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nooska » Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:14 am

Sagara wrote:[...]
Short version: I'm chocked that some adults don't stop to even think for a second when giving children sensitive material. It' the lack of forethought that stuns me more than the actual purchase.

This part I understand fully. And to answer the other question, no I ahven't played GTAV (I think the last I played was 3) - it sjust not my kind of game.

But yeah, I totally get the issue with people not knowing what they are giving ignoring ratings.
(My example is me, being quite aware of D3 and actually initially refusing it, before deciding otherwise after a ponder).
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:24 am

It feels like it's going to be one of those weeks. My wife's found a (admittedly bargain-bin priced) 250 EUR doll. Sadly, our post-holydays finances don't permit us those expenses until the next month at best, which is way too late.

So she's gone in full-on shut-in mode that I shouldn't give her any kind of hope, and that she'll never get anything nice, which is halfway between "this is all your fault" and "Woe me".

She'll come around in a few days/week, but I feel like hugging the buddha on my desk for serenity.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Flex » Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:56 pm

Heals form tanks shouldn't produce threat. Oh, using Seal of Insight? Can't do that because shit'll run to you before the other tank can pick them up. Oh, want to use Light's Hammer to help heal the AoE damage? Can't do that all the spawning adds run right to you. It feels like I can't use half my abilities when they would best be used in certain fights because I am fighting to not over threat during add spawn points.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Darielle » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:22 pm

Light's Hammer is rebugged in 5.4 to generate no threat.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Flex » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:41 pm

Darielle wrote:Light's Hammer is rebugged in 5.4 to generate no threat.


It seemed to cause Phase 2 empowered whirlwind adds on Garrosh to really like me.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Kal » Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:43 pm

Phase 2 empowered whirlwind adds cause PTSD.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Newsom » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:02 pm

Flex wrote:
Darielle wrote:Light's Hammer is rebugged in 5.4 to generate no threat.


It seemed to cause Phase 2 empowered whirlwind adds on Garrosh to really like me.


You know it does damage, too, right? You generally want to avoid AoE damage when those adds spawn.

If you're worried about threat from heals you could always click off Righteous Fury temporarily. I do that when I'm tanking Thok and don't want the bats on me, but still feel like dropping a hammer on them.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Darielle » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:24 pm

You know it does damage, too, right? You generally want to avoid AoE damage when those adds spawn.


To clarify,
Light's Hammmer has been rebroken since 5.4 to act like it did pre 5.2. The threat doesn't get attributed to the Paladin once again.

But yes, once you're in the Empowered Whirling part, there's basically no need whatsoever to have RF up. If your damage dealers are being smart and actually focusing their add down though, RF or no RF, you are not competing with burst single target damage killing adds within 3 seconds.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Newsom » Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:50 am

How did you find that out? I'm pretty sure the damage component of Light's Hammer gives threat at least.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Worldie » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:13 am

Seembed to work fine for me in LFR, you sure about that?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby culhag » Fri Jan 24, 2014 5:15 am

Flex wrote:Heals form tanks shouldn't produce threat. Oh, using Seal of Insight? Can't do that because shit'll run to you before the other tank can pick them up. Oh, want to use Light's Hammer to help heal the AoE damage? Can't do that all the spawning adds run right to you. It feels like I can't use half my abilities when they would best be used in certain fights because I am fighting to not over threat during add spawn points.

Just remove Righteous Fury if you're not supposed to pick up the adds. That's what I do.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Worldie » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:18 am

Just tried with a friend, it indeed generates 0 threat, BOTH the heal and the dmg.

Swapping back to holy prism until they fix it <.<
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Newsom » Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:47 am

The more you know.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Shoju » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:47 am

For being one of the most important things you ever do in life, buying a house is just about the worst thing I've undertaken. FU to mortgage companies. FU to realtors. This is just not fun.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:16 pm

Tell me about it. We nearly got soul-crushed when we met our usual banker and announced monthly payments for up to 1500 EUR. Luckily we found another bank that shaved a couple hundred a month.

Although they DID manage to fuck up and forget about 65k on the cheque they were supposed to bring this Wed for the official Act...

And all in all it's just a gigantic mess of papers and numbers left right and center that leave you profesionally dumbfounded as to what exactly you're paying for.
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