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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby PsiVen » Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:14 am

bldavis wrote:thok

that is all


Yeah, pretty much.

Last night's frustration was Malkorok. For whatever reason we all put on our derp hats and banged skulls on this stupid farm boss and his asshole orbs of death. There are few bosses I hate more, but Thok is certainly one of them.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:06 pm

why is it the dino bosses that give us trouble?
horridon was a major stumbling block, ultimately leading to the shrinking of our raid team to the point that we had to combine with another guild
and now thok
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Worldie » Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:05 pm

What sort of problems are you having on Thok? °_°

He's like the easiest boss of the raid after Immerseus
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Teranoid » Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:09 pm

Horridon was horribly overtuned for being the second boss in the instance.

If you think reg Thok is bad 10m heroic is even worse.

Got no paladins? You're fucked.
Got too many melee? You're fucked.
Non complimentary healing comp? Why are you even trying.

We've spent probably 10-14 hours worth of attempts on him already. We're close but the amount of cooldown management in that fight is fucking retarded.

In b4 25 man raiders with twice the amount of cooldowns tell me how easy it is
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fetzie » Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:35 pm

Teranoid wrote:Horridon was horribly overtuned for being the second boss in the instance.

If you think reg Thok is bad 10m heroic is even worse.

Got no paladins? You're fucked.
Got too many melee? You're fucked.
Non complimentary healing comp? Why are you even trying.

We've spent probably 10-14 hours worth of attempts on him already. We're close but the amount of cooldown management in that fight is fucking retarded.

In b4 25 man raiders with twice the amount of cooldowns tell me how easy it is


Stuck on Malkorok and his purple zones of death that seem to have a force-field surrounding them :(
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:56 pm

Teranoid wrote:Horridon was horribly overtuned for being the second boss in the instance.

If you think reg Thok is bad 10m heroic is even worse.

Got no paladins? You're fucked.
Got too many melee? You're fucked.
Non complimentary healing comp? Why are you even trying.

We've spent probably 10-14 hours worth of attempts on him already. We're close but the amount of cooldown management in that fight is fucking retarded.

In b4 25 man raiders with twice the amount of cooldowns tell me how easy it is

i doubt i will ever see it on heroic/mythic until well into warlords...if then

we are struggling with having really fast transitions between kite phases
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fetzie » Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:00 pm

bldavis wrote:
Teranoid wrote:Horridon was horribly overtuned for being the second boss in the instance.

If you think reg Thok is bad 10m heroic is even worse.

Got no paladins? You're fucked.
Got too many melee? You're fucked.
Non complimentary healing comp? Why are you even trying.

We've spent probably 10-14 hours worth of attempts on him already. We're close but the amount of cooldown management in that fight is fucking retarded.

In b4 25 man raiders with twice the amount of cooldowns tell me how easy it is

i doubt i will ever see it on heroic/mythic until well into warlords...if then

we are struggling with having really fast transitions between kite phases

What is your raid composition, and how are you using raid cooldowns?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:14 pm

generally we have
dk and bear tanks
feral druid
shadow priest
and resto shaman...everyone else rotates in and out

we have that rotates in
resto/ele shaman (if he isnt healing, he is dps)
holy/ret pally (same thing)
resto druid
ww monk
BM hunter/holy? priest
disc priest
frost dk

um...im sure i am missing someone

and as far as cds - it depends on who we have healing
generally we have a healing totem, dev+tranq, healing totem, and by then we are scattering on the first one

second transition we have issues stacking right and get a fast trasition normally, and third we do ok though by then we have lost a few
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Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:15 pm

and now i cant get the launcher to start...
all i want to do is relax and finish leveling my rogue...
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Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fetzie » Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:40 pm

You are using those cooldowns before the first scream?

Do the priests use Divine Star? Are the magical debuffs being removed ASAP?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:04 pm

Fetzie wrote:You are using those cooldowns before the first scream?

Do the priests use Divine Star? Are the magical debuffs being removed ASAP?

i have no idea..i just focus on tanking tbh

by that time i am trying really hard not to reach through the internet and strangle one of our healers
amazing healer, our best by far...but major ego and if someone says ANYTHING that contridicts him, he acts like a lil kid throwing a fit because he "has actually seen the fights before!" (he also heals for honey badgers, a slightly more advanced guild)
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Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Teranoid » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:45 am

Sounds like a quality raider.

Also if your healers are not communicating cooldown usage you might as well not even attempt the boss.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fetzie » Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:27 am

You need to tell your healers to get their shit together and map out a chain of cooldowns. Long cast time cooldowns should be used earlier so that they can be cast without being interrupted. Your dps need to use personal cooldowns and healthstones to get themselves back above 50% life.

For example the holy paladin can use his Devotion Aura, and then follow it up with BoP on another healer, and then hit his bubble to heal unhindered a few seconds later
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:32 am

they do have a set order, but i tend to zone out on that part of the discussion
i know they have a set order up to the 12th shout/roar...i think
i know at least to 10

the issue i have with our healer, one that is shared by my bear cotank, is that the healer has seen the fights, but only from a healer perspective and is trying to tell us that what we are doing is wrong, despite the fact we have tried it his way, and get instagibbed
adjusted to what we are doing now, not dying but getting bitched at for doing it wrong...which means we dont do what HB's pally and monk do as a bear and dk
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Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Teranoid » Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:28 am

Well how are you setting the boss up both for initial pull as well as when cages are opened? Which way are you kiting the boss? What are you dying to?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:59 am

tanks arent dying anymore, we are typically the lasts ones people are waiting on when a wipe is called

on pull, we tank him where he is, everyone on his right leg, with first kiter typically going down the hall
first cage he is generally coming back up the hall, and we try to tank him where he eats the NPC, with the group on his right leg again
second kite im not sure where they go because i am focused on getting the jailer and bringing him to the cage

second cage is same as first, just this is the one we normally die on and i am not sure why (i dont have magic debuffs in my raid frames, so that is probably a good guess i just dont know for sure) there is also the issue that thok generally eats the npc while still down the hall a little and we have to tank him there (if we dont both tanks get bitched at for moving him...even if we didnt and he moved on his own)

third kite, i bring the jailer to the second cage, and the druid tank gets the key and uses cat form and dash to get to the 3rd cage, where we stack on his left leg, and stand there til he transitions

after that, ruder (the bear tank) and i take care of the last jailer, and try to help on the boss as we can, but we are typically down 2-3 dps at this point

our best pull was a 24%
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Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Teranoid » Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:15 am

I can almost guarantee you're losing people on the second cage phase for the same reason everyone else does.

People aren't stacked if they're not kiting therefore dispelling is absolutely impossible. As soon as the second phase shift happens have everyone who isn't kiting stack on a spot right in front of that second cage. That way ranged can still hit him and the melee are on the jailer so everyone can be mass dispelled or worse case scenario you can get singles out on the people kiting. The NPC chasing Thok is fine.. people just need to stack back up. Him being out of position isn't the end of the world.

As for the third cage you're basically running for your life while trying to still stay in range for heals. The best way is to stay in that fire phase as long as you can and then stack and burn the boss. It's basically kill or be killed at that point.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:34 am

we are trying to extend it as long as we can...it just never seems to last very long

we almost always loose someone to chomp during the kite phase (and its almost always the same person... :? )
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Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Teranoid » Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:36 am

bldavis wrote:we are trying to extend it as long as we can...it just never seems to last very long


That's what sh-

nevermind.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:43 am

Teranoid wrote:
bldavis wrote:we are trying to extend it as long as we can...it just never seems to last very long


That's what sh-

nevermind.

/facedesk

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Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fetzie » Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:29 pm

bldavis wrote:we are trying to extend it as long as we can...it just never seems to last very long

The second stack phase will likely be half as long as the first and third phases, because a the first cooldowns will not be ready.
we almost always loose someone to chomp during the kite phase (and its almost always the same person... :? )

Sounds like somebody needs a stern talking to.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:35 pm

if i was the RL, he would be..or possibly sat for that fight at least until we got a kill
but i am not the RL for a change, i am merely the tank
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Amirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego.
Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Amirya » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:24 am

And that's stopped you before? :mrgreen:
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:17 pm

Amirya wrote:And that's stopped you before? :mrgreen:

its easier this way
i just tune it out and not deal with the spoiled brats that think because they are part of a better progressed guild (which we caught up to on thok) their word is law
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Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Skye1013 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:28 pm

Have you at least brought up your concerns to the RL/GL?

That allows you to say what you're thinking, but puts the onus on them to actually do something about it.
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