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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby benebarba » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:03 am

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econ21 wrote:Will of the Emperor is getting hard to kill in LFR. That buff you get when you wipe is going to be needed, I think.


I've zoned into 3 HoF groups *this week* wiping on the first set of trash in the first wing of the instance. Usually because of 'LOL, I zoned in pulling naaaaaao!'

I'm not even sure if that will save stupid that bad. I'm not even convinced it's trolling.

Setting the face aggro range of the mobs to be about a foot away from the zone-in point was a very stupid idea IMO.


Seriously (I seem to recall some 5-mans with this same issue too). Good for flavor, dumb for gameplay.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:25 am

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Newsom » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:28 am

For some reason I had an <Away> tag while leveling my mage in a battleground. Stupid me types /afk to get rid of it. 15 minutes deserter... /facepalm

We were winning too :(
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Andurin » Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:03 am

Newsom wrote:For some reason I had an <Away> tag while leveling my mage in a battleground. Stupid me types /afk to get rid of it. 15 minutes deserter... /facepalm

We were winning too :(


I have done that SO MANY TIMES -.- :roll:
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nikachelle » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:19 am

Oh wow... so the company I work for recently had their benefits re-structured as they moved to a new company to use. When it was revealed there was massive uproar - we're getting about 20% of what we had previously.

It just came out today that the woman in charge of the two year project to revamp our benefits actually didn't consult very many people as she was redoing them. She then went on stress leave as the company revealed the new benefits (last month) and promptly quit a week thereafter.

Thankfully, the company is looking into making some changes based on what's been already released (the backlash has been INSANE - employees are saying things that would normally get them fired on our local intranet), but hot damn it's not a pleasant situation to be in.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:26 pm

Made the mistake of looking at a big thread on the US forums suggesting Shaman changes. Huge mass of overpowered and unnecessary wishful thinking all wrapped up in this idea that every one of the changes is somehow needed. (You need to make all these things baseline, then give us all these new baseline things.)

Reason I was looking: I was thinking about my pet topic of improving the Enh AoE toolkit with some kind of instant AoE - it's the one thing I think Enhancement is missing - and hit on the idea they should give us Rupture Line (with a modest cooldown and as just damage without the knock-into-the-air) - and wanted to see if anyone else had had the idea. Turned out they had had the idea, only they wanted to it be big, ground targetable, and cause an aoe stun. /facepalm

Where the hell does everyone's perspective go when they're thinking of these things?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:29 pm

wow...
i would be happy with a modest 1gcd aoe option
now it takes at least 3 to do anything beyond chain lightning
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Flex » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:32 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:Where the hell does everyone's perspective go when they're thinking of these things?


Perspective is lost in an echo chamber and when you need to address at a higher level than simply "buff my class."

Kind of surprised there isn't a Glyph of Mass Exorcism style glyph for Enchancement.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:39 pm

bldavis wrote:wow...
i would be happy with a modest 1gcd aoe option
now it takes at least 3 to do anything beyond chain lightning

Exactly!

Someone should go make the devs solo some low level instances as Enhance. It's niche activity, but really highlights the issue when you can't kill a pack of low health mobs without targetting and hitting each one individually (Lightning Shield doesn't fire if they miss, and grants no loot if it kills them; Magma Totem gets killed the instant you drop it).

Enhancement AoE is fine... when you get a chance to ramp up. Better than fine on big packs that last more than a few seconds. It's not about Enhancement needing AoE, it's about Enhancement needing better-designed AoE.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:01 pm

i agree, i love the changes brought in Cata (4.1?) where lava lash spreads flame shock now

on a pack that lasts long enough and can survive getting flameshocked AND lava lashed, aoe is insane as an enh

but compare it to all the other melee classes
warriors - WW/Shockwave/Tclap
ret - divine storm
dks - D&D, howling blast if frost
rogue - FoK+Crimson tempest
monk - LOLFSK
kitty - swipe/thrash

all are 1 gcds
yes some have a minor cd on them, or restricted by energy/rage/HoPo, but none are min 3 gcds to get your aoe off


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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Flex » Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:17 pm

Yea, Divine Storm takes 4 GCDs to use. 3 to generate Holy Power and a 4th to use Divine Storm.

Otherwise stick with Hammer of the Righteous and Seal of whatever it is called.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:41 pm

He should've said HotR for Ret, yeah. Still, instant AoE without ramp up or cast time. (Magma Totem doesn't do enough damage to count, it's balanced around 1 sec GCD and 1 min duration.)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:42 pm

but if you are sitting on HoPo, it just takes one :D

you do have a point though
that and i was just going off what i could think of off the top of my congested and drugged head
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:48 pm

I always just feel silly on Lei Shi during Hide when I drop Magma Totem and just stand around while it ticks for <3k every 2 seconds.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:33 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:I always just feel silly on Lei Shi during Hide when I drop Magma Totem and just stand around while it ticks for <3k every 2 seconds.


Meh, as I hunter I just stand there, and will continue to do so until they bring back volley.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nooska » Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:30 am

As soon as you see where she is, drop an explosive trap - it does decent damage and helps counting hits - though no way to find her - at all, except pure dumb luck (or an aoe pet possibly... hmmm)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby benebarba » Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:56 am

KysenMurrin wrote:I always just feel silly on Lei Shi during Hide when I drop Magma Totem and just stand around while it ticks for <3k every 2 seconds.


Better than being a ret pally where I can use DS if I have the HoPo and blow one of the AOE talents... then sit there. I'm hoping I feel more useful on my warrior.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:11 am

Nooska wrote:As soon as you see where she is, drop an explosive trap - it does decent damage and helps counting hits - though no way to find her - at all, except pure dumb luck (or an aoe pet possibly... hmmm)


If I ever get there in a regular raid, I'll do that. :-) In LFR? Let the mages run around in circles... :-)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:55 am

benebarba wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:I always just feel silly on Lei Shi during Hide when I drop Magma Totem and just stand around while it ticks for <3k every 2 seconds.


Better than being a ret pally where I can use DS if I have the HoPo and blow one of the AOE talents... then sit there. I'm hoping I feel more useful on my warrior.

Huh. I did not realise until I read your post (then checked on wowhead) that Ret no longer has Consecration. (You can tell how often I respec!)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby djlar » Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:56 am

halabar wrote:
Nooska wrote:As soon as you see where she is, drop an explosive trap - it does decent damage and helps counting hits - though no way to find her - at all, except pure dumb luck (or an aoe pet possibly... hmmm)


If I ever get there in a regular raid, I'll do that. :-) In LFR? Let the mages run around in circles... :-)


Or locks with immolation thingy.. destro with rain, does affliction have anything?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby theckhd » Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:59 am

Afflic has rain of fire still.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:39 am

God, Spirit King H is a bitch - I'm stuck with positioning Subetai when he pops for his Volley, and between

the end of the Flanking Orders
the Annihilate
the half-random positioning of the raid group
the split second I get before Volley flies.

It really feels like "bored, bored, bored, OMAGADITSMYTURNFUCKDODGEFLANKINGFUCKNOWANNIHILATEOMGVOLLEYIN2!"

*twitch* Not good on the nerves.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Worldie » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:45 am

Aren't you using 2 tanks for it? It makes positioning a thousand times easier.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:53 am

Yep. Thing is, we tank Qiang close to an edge, with a designated spot for Volleys. Which means that we *may* have a Flanking order passing us by around the time Annihilate kicks in. And that's usually when Qiang hits 30%.

It's mostly a matter of zen-like decision as to where I'm putting Subetai so that the Subetai - raid axis does not cross the safe spot, while considering the forbidden zones delimited by Annihilate and Flanking.

It's not *hard*, just very stressful.

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*satori moment* Waitasecond. Does AD save me from Annihilate or Flanking??
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Worldie » Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:05 am

it does from flanking, not sure about annihilate

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