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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Newsom » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:15 am

I'm extremely tempted to make my warrior my main for 5.2. I guess I can decide after doing normal modes on both though, which is nice.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby benebarba » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:19 pm

Due to some shakeups with the group I'd been raiding with, I'm now more likely to be a swing DPS than tank (they want to know they'll have a tank on hand through the expansion, and the other one they have looks like he'll be pretty stable for the near/medium term). Not sure if bailing on my current guild would help or not... Don't really want to, what with being made an officer and MT as well as having made some friends - but the lack of a raid group really makes it a little weird being MT of a non-existent raid team. And the folks I'd been raiding with are good folks too.

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby econ21 » Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:18 am

benebarba wrote:...I'm now more likely to be a swing DPS than tank (they want to know they'll have a tank on hand through the expansion,


If you mean, you'd be tanking except for one tank fights, that probably is not so bad. It seemed a bigger issue in DS, with so many one tank fights but in the current tier, most fights required two.

.. but the lack of a raid group really makes it a little weird being MT of a non-existent raid team. And the folks I'd been raiding with are good folks too.


One option is to move your main to the active guild but keep alts in your existing guild. That way you could move back if your existing guild starts to raid again but not be regarded as a second class citizen amongst those you raid with. Your existing guild should understand, if they are not raiding and you want to raid. I did that and it worked out more or less ok (was a bit awkward jumping back to my old guild when they started to raid again, but nothing too dramatic).
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:46 am

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby benebarba » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:58 am

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benebarba wrote:...I'm now more likely to be a swing DPS than tank (they want to know they'll have a tank on hand through the expansion,


If you mean, you'd be tanking except for one tank fights, that probably is not so bad. It seemed a bigger issue in DS, with so many one tank fights but in the current tier, most fights required two.


What basically happened is my guild was going to start raiding, so I bowed out for a couple weeks. The RL of course found a replacement so they could continue (I'd expect no different), and then had the other tank (as well as 2 DPS) bail. So she stepped up to tank partially out of interest, partially out of wanting a guilded tank they could call on (she'd had raid-ready toons for heals & DPS) and not have other commitments.

I've got a pretty good relationship with the RL and so this was all understandable - really, it was by chance they wanted me back after the first night anyway. Just a bit frustrating in that now I'll more likely be called on as melee DPS (which I have to get much better at, admittedly) if they ever need one since the other tank seems stable and she wants to tank. So it seems almost equally probable I'll be sat or providing pointers as actually raiding. But at least I've tanked 12 (9 successfully to kills) of the bosses this tier already, with that group, so it's not like I haven't done anything.

One option is to move your main to the active guild but keep alts in your existing guild. That way you could move back if your existing guild starts to raid again but not be regarded as a second class citizen amongst those you raid with. Your existing guild should understand, if they are not raiding and you want to raid. I did that and it worked out more or less ok (was a bit awkward jumping back to my old guild when they started to raid again, but nothing too dramatic).


Unfortunately, I only moved my main into my current guild, and it's the only one remotely raid ready. My other toons are melee DPS - so maybe some shuffling would work out. I have another 90 melee DPS toon that isn't raid ready, but perhaps this would be an excuse to make it happen.

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:01 pm

Decided to abandon my 490 geared spriest to my old server, and move my ele shammy as a professions support toon to my new server with my hunter.

Frustrating that after spending so much time to level and gear that toon, then to be abandoned by the raid team that requested that I level and gear that toon to fit the proper token and stat slot, since they brought in one of their buddy hunters (my hunter had been my main with that raid group in Cata).
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:07 pm

Considering you're in a highly active guild that dwarves your old guild in size as well, I guess it's not really that bad, is it?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:17 pm

Klaudandus wrote:Considering you're in a highly active guild that dwarves your old guild in size as well, I guess it's not really that bad, is it?


Yeah, I'm not heartbroken over it.. but it was annoying. At least the ele shammy is 90, and geared enough to get in LFR and such. But the hunter will be my only raiding toon from now on. (I am moving 2+ bags of heirlooms if I ever get an alt itch again...)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:23 pm

just the fact that you have to pay a lot of money for each transfer, right?

/Hates spending money
/Worse is having 1.3 million gold...
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:33 pm

Klaudandus wrote:just the fact that you have to pay a lot of money for each transfer, right?

/Hates spending money
/Worse is having 1.3 million gold...


Yeah, that's the other part of it, the transfers, especially when you are taking a loss on the gold due to server economies. But looking at the new server makes it easier not to move my other crafting alts, or the tailor/scribe spriest. Too much competition and lowballing. Of course Blizz is to blame too with the anti-alt stuff in Panda. Anything on the old server is dead to me at this point. I'll miss having an enchanter, but not that much.

Edit: At least I got a decent lol-name for the ele shammy... Shocknpaw. Yeah, a panda.. I went there.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:40 pm

GC bit at my tweet regarding http://wow.joystiq.com/2013/02/14/the-p ... -pandaria/

GC: "Double dipping" is an odd thing to evoke as a problem. We have a lot of systems where you need X and Y before you get your reward. When you can tunnel in on just X or Y, then a lot of other ways to play the game are cut off for you.


Problem is, I cannot disagree with the article... specially the last paragraph:
Mists of Pandaria has taken enormous strides in allowing players to play how they want, to participate in the activities they enjoy, and the expansion encourages you to stop and smell the roses. Valor points single-handedly throw that philosophy out the window, forcing you to churn through level 90 content as quickly as possible, and to continue churning through the same content to maximize your ilevel. If the developers want to avoid catastrophic burnout at their own hands, it needs to change.

But I am biased... lost a good amount of guildies to burnout... we're old people that don't have that much time to play online (well, I kind of am the exception) but they could not keep pace with doing dailies and the VP to try to better themselves in order to not feel like they're a crutch to others -- they decided it was better to just quit and bring someone that could be more willing to go thru all the hoops in order to be as geared as possible for the raids.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby econ21 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:12 pm

Will of the Emperor is getting hard to kill in LFR. That buff you get when you wipe is going to be needed, I think.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:26 pm

econ21 wrote:Will of the Emperor is getting hard to kill in LFR. That buff you get when you wipe is going to be needed, I think.


Yep, DS was the same at the end.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby benebarba » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:14 am

econ21 wrote:Will of the Emperor is getting hard to kill in LFR. That buff you get when you wipe is going to be needed, I think.


I've zoned into 3 HoF groups *this week* wiping on the first set of trash in the first wing of the instance. Usually because of 'LOL, I zoned in pulling naaaaaao!'

I'm not even sure if that will save stupid that bad. I'm not even convinced it's trolling.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fetzie » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:32 am

benebarba wrote:
econ21 wrote:Will of the Emperor is getting hard to kill in LFR. That buff you get when you wipe is going to be needed, I think.


I've zoned into 3 HoF groups *this week* wiping on the first set of trash in the first wing of the instance. Usually because of 'LOL, I zoned in pulling naaaaaao!'

I'm not even sure if that will save stupid that bad. I'm not even convinced it's trolling.

Setting the face aggro range of the mobs to be about a foot away from the zone-in point was a very stupid idea IMO.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby benebarba » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:03 am

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econ21 wrote:Will of the Emperor is getting hard to kill in LFR. That buff you get when you wipe is going to be needed, I think.


I've zoned into 3 HoF groups *this week* wiping on the first set of trash in the first wing of the instance. Usually because of 'LOL, I zoned in pulling naaaaaao!'

I'm not even sure if that will save stupid that bad. I'm not even convinced it's trolling.

Setting the face aggro range of the mobs to be about a foot away from the zone-in point was a very stupid idea IMO.


Seriously (I seem to recall some 5-mans with this same issue too). Good for flavor, dumb for gameplay.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:25 am

See amusements thread.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Newsom » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:28 am

For some reason I had an <Away> tag while leveling my mage in a battleground. Stupid me types /afk to get rid of it. 15 minutes deserter... /facepalm

We were winning too :(
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Andurin » Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:03 am

Newsom wrote:For some reason I had an <Away> tag while leveling my mage in a battleground. Stupid me types /afk to get rid of it. 15 minutes deserter... /facepalm

We were winning too :(


I have done that SO MANY TIMES -.- :roll:
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nikachelle » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:19 am

Oh wow... so the company I work for recently had their benefits re-structured as they moved to a new company to use. When it was revealed there was massive uproar - we're getting about 20% of what we had previously.

It just came out today that the woman in charge of the two year project to revamp our benefits actually didn't consult very many people as she was redoing them. She then went on stress leave as the company revealed the new benefits (last month) and promptly quit a week thereafter.

Thankfully, the company is looking into making some changes based on what's been already released (the backlash has been INSANE - employees are saying things that would normally get them fired on our local intranet), but hot damn it's not a pleasant situation to be in.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:26 pm

Made the mistake of looking at a big thread on the US forums suggesting Shaman changes. Huge mass of overpowered and unnecessary wishful thinking all wrapped up in this idea that every one of the changes is somehow needed. (You need to make all these things baseline, then give us all these new baseline things.)

Reason I was looking: I was thinking about my pet topic of improving the Enh AoE toolkit with some kind of instant AoE - it's the one thing I think Enhancement is missing - and hit on the idea they should give us Rupture Line (with a modest cooldown and as just damage without the knock-into-the-air) - and wanted to see if anyone else had had the idea. Turned out they had had the idea, only they wanted to it be big, ground targetable, and cause an aoe stun. /facepalm

Where the hell does everyone's perspective go when they're thinking of these things?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:29 pm

wow...
i would be happy with a modest 1gcd aoe option
now it takes at least 3 to do anything beyond chain lightning
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Flex » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:32 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:Where the hell does everyone's perspective go when they're thinking of these things?


Perspective is lost in an echo chamber and when you need to address at a higher level than simply "buff my class."

Kind of surprised there isn't a Glyph of Mass Exorcism style glyph for Enchancement.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:39 pm

bldavis wrote:wow...
i would be happy with a modest 1gcd aoe option
now it takes at least 3 to do anything beyond chain lightning

Exactly!

Someone should go make the devs solo some low level instances as Enhance. It's niche activity, but really highlights the issue when you can't kill a pack of low health mobs without targetting and hitting each one individually (Lightning Shield doesn't fire if they miss, and grants no loot if it kills them; Magma Totem gets killed the instant you drop it).

Enhancement AoE is fine... when you get a chance to ramp up. Better than fine on big packs that last more than a few seconds. It's not about Enhancement needing AoE, it's about Enhancement needing better-designed AoE.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:01 pm

i agree, i love the changes brought in Cata (4.1?) where lava lash spreads flame shock now

on a pack that lasts long enough and can survive getting flameshocked AND lava lashed, aoe is insane as an enh

but compare it to all the other melee classes
warriors - WW/Shockwave/Tclap
ret - divine storm
dks - D&D, howling blast if frost
rogue - FoK+Crimson tempest
monk - LOLFSK
kitty - swipe/thrash

all are 1 gcds
yes some have a minor cd on them, or restricted by energy/rage/HoPo, but none are min 3 gcds to get your aoe off


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