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Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:53 pm
by Jabari
halabar wrote:But Divine Star is better dps... :-) Halo doesn't work well when you are supposed to do a lot of stacking.


Heh, I'm actually messing around a bit with the Star now :)
(Plus, it's something else you can actually hit on-the-move - I got REALLY spoiled by playing my hunter...)

It's been a while, but everything I looked at before (IV, mainly) said to just take Halo and use it as a damage cooldown. That just seems like a colossal waste of a skill to me - Halo's a very good healing CD and should be used as such. (Not so good when stacked up, as you said, but quite nice otherwise.)

Cascade's been really fun with my Holy spec as well - taking that in Shadow seems fine as a decent healing skill (I'd macro it to hit myself so I don't have to re-target).

Don't know about the FDCL stuff - I've always used the squid. *shrug* Well, that and my priest is my 3rd-in-priority char so he doesn't get near the playtime of the others - I'm lucky to get him through all of LFR in a week.

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:12 pm
by Worldie
Let's not be stupid.

Hymn of Hope is hardly noticeable, fights are tuned with healers not having it, and even when they have it it's a very minimal amount of mana.

Halo and Divine Star's heals are a joke. They are so small that they are lost in the massive amount of aoe healing going on in serious raids. Don't see how the 25k heal from my DS is going to save someone taking 100k aoes or stop a healer from hotting the shit out of them.
Plus, if you are serious on DPSing, you use them on cooldown, thus can never time them to hit right after damage anyway.

I use Void shift every now and then, but in fact, many times you cant, cause if you use it, and are hit by an aoe right after, you just change the person who dies. And a DPS death is a wipe in hc raiding.

Let's not be silly, the Hybrid classes have been dead long ago. No class brings special utilities to the raid to justify them being 30k dps behind other dps classes.
Oh wait, i have lifegrip.

In real raiding, Shadowpriests are a DPS, they can't use any of their support skills.
No, sorry, 10 men normal and LFR are not "real raiding". They are tuned for casuals and disorganized groups, so even if you stop doing dps and start healing, the boss wont Enrage wipe you.


Sorry, random raging, I really hate being a dead weight in my raid group. Hardcore people bring shadowpriests to single target fights only when they have no other casters to fill the spots nowadays.

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:36 pm
by halabar
Worldie wrote:No, sorry, 10 men normal and LFR are not "real raiding". They are tuned for casuals and disorganized groups, so even if you stop doing dps and start healing, the boss wont Enrage wipe you.


10-man Elegon would like a word with you.

Ignoring rest of whining.

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:37 pm
by halabar
Jabari wrote:
halabar wrote:But Divine Star is better dps... :-) Halo doesn't work well when you are supposed to do a lot of stacking.


Heh, I'm actually messing around a bit with the Star now :)
(Plus, it's something else you can actually hit on-the-move - I got REALLY spoiled by playing my hunter...)

It's been a while, but everything I looked at before (IV, mainly) said to just take Halo and use it as a damage cooldown. That just seems like a colossal waste of a skill to me - Halo's a very good healing CD and should be used as such. (Not so good when stacked up, as you said, but quite nice otherwise.)


The problem with Halo is that it has that "sweet spot" to do great dps.. and it falls off rapidly if you are not at the exact range. Once they buffed DS, a lot of spriests went to it.

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:40 pm
by Flex
Worldie wrote:Sorry, random raging, I really hate being a dead weight in my raid group. Hardcore people bring shadowpriests to single target fights only when they have no other casters to fill the spots nowadays.


Now a days? According to Raid Bots outside of outliers like Arcane and Afflicttion Shadow is a top DPS spec for this entire tier.

Sounds to me you're just bitching to bitch and you regret playing a class you're not amazing at.

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:27 pm
by Teranoid
Welcome to Maintankadin:

Come for the theorycraft
Stay for the rampant complaining and wild accusations about how everyone's class is the worst class in the game and it's all Blizzards fault.

Also bonus points for saying

Let's not be stupid


And still you say

In real raiding, Shadowpriests are a DPS, they can't use any of their support skills.
No, sorry, 10 men normal and LFR are not "real raiding". They are tuned for casuals and disorganized groups, so even if you stop doing dps and start healing, the boss wont Enrage wipe you.


It almost makes sense now.

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:32 pm
by Klaudandus
Worldie wrote:In real raiding, Shadowpriests are a DPS, they can't use any of their support skills.
No, sorry, 10 men normal and LFR are not "real raiding". They are tuned for casuals and disorganized groups, so even if you stop doing dps and start healing, the boss wont Enrage wipe you.

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:36 pm
by Fetzie
No, sorry, 10 men normal and LFR are not "real raiding". They are tuned for casuals and disorganized groups, so even if you stop doing dps and start healing, the boss wont Enrage wipe you.


25 man normal is tuned just the same as 10 man, except you can let the tank die three times and still kill the boss. Both formats are challenging on Heroic mode.

I've done both formats in two different, equally progressed groups in roughly equivalent gear.

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:26 pm
by Skye1013
I'm not a "real raider" in Worldie's eyes, but I constantly bubble myself (and occasionally the tanks), use PoM, and even put up a renew here and there. It's mostly to fish for Twist of Fate procs, but it certainly helped when our healers (holy priest/pally) were struggling. Of course... now we have Ami doing the shaman thing, so it's less of an issue, but I do still sometimes get the damage boost outside of execute.

As for Halo vs Divine Star, I tried Divine Star for a little bit... the cd is too short for me to remember to hit it every time, but that could be fixed by using it more.

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:12 pm
by Klaudandus
My main raid just imploded. No I am without a job.

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:02 pm
by theckhd
Worldie wrote:Hymn of Hope is hardly noticeable, fights are tuned with healers not having it, and even when they have it it's a very minimal amount of mana.

I don't know about your raid, but we've used Hymn of Hope for progression kills fairly often.

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:09 pm
by Darielle
The REAL big thing is Dispersion. While it's not unique in its ability to take care of mechanics (e.g. Ice Block, Divine Shield), its cooldown and the fact that it's not an immunity make it pretty much the most universally handy soak mechanic that Blizzard can never bypass.

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:49 pm
by Sagara
Klaudandus wrote:My main raid just imploded. No I am without a job.


The two infinites of the universe strike again... Well, at least you've got your job cut out for the coming days...

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:20 am
by Mannstein
theckhd wrote:
Worldie wrote:Hymn of Hope is hardly noticeable, fights are tuned with healers not having it, and even when they have it it's a very minimal amount of mana.

I don't know about your raid, but we've used Hymn of Hope for progression kills fairly often.

If i had a STG pot for each progression fight where the SP (2)were requested to cast Hymn, i would NEVAR need to go farming again....
In 25men, 2shammy(enhac/elem) and 2SP means you need 1less healer...

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:52 am
by Worldie
I disagree. And I don't really see how shadow is "amazing and topping meters", as I said, I can hit fairly consistently my simmed DPS, and I'm constantly bottom of the line, not cause they outskill me, but because other classes just scale better with gear.
I don't even ask for topping meters, I'm not a dps whore, I just ask to be competitive and justify my raid spot. Back in the days when i occasionally played Ret in raids, I had no problems in being bottom DPS because my raid benefitted greatly from the buffs I bring. Right now, I feel I bring the raid nothing.


p.s. I remember this is a "post your Frustration" threat, we made it to allow people to rant a bit when they need to get it out, and right now, I'm quite disappointed by my situation.

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:32 am
by twinkfist
i don't think people have a problem with ranting...it's that you shit on a bunch of people that don't raid 25 man and therefore they aren't "real raiders".

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:48 am
by Jabari
twinkfist wrote:i don't think people have a problem with ranting...it's that you shit on a bunch of people that don't raid 25 man and therefore they aren't "real raiders".


Well, defecating on the people that are (attempting to) give advice might be a bit of that, too. *shrug*

Perhaps calming down and not "random raging" so much might solve some of the <The Guildbreaker> issues, too? :wink:


Random frustration:
- My "non real raiding group" (uber-casual, not-very-talented, 3 hour a week, 10-man normal) got Feng down last night. 4 drops, 3 of which were DE-ed because everyone has equivalent-or-better VP stuff.

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:23 am
by Worldie
Meh. I don't like being replied "but you bring utility" when the only utility we bring is Hymn of Hope which is hardly necessary.

And even if, it doesnt justify being 30% dps behind other Single Target dps.

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:43 am
by Shoju
The idiots have come out of the woodwork on eBay lately.

If you order something, and don't like it, because it isn't as nice as something someone else bought that is a different brand, that's not my problem. If you want to return it, that's fine. But I'm not refunding your shipping. It showed up as described. I even told you when you asked to return it that I wouldn't refund shipping, and you did so anyway. Then you open a Complaint about it?

Are you SERIOUS? And then to complain that it isn't described accurately, and that it is a FAKE?! SERIOUSLY!? You bought a generic thing, for half of the price of the name brand. That's not fake. That's cheap. I don't pretend that it's the Name Brand. I don't say anything that would remotely DESCRIBE it as the name brand. I give you the brand, the company who made it, the dimensions, and the materials it's made from. I give you pictures of it.

And then, I have yet another problem with a person in Brazil. Orders a headlight, leaves negative feedback saying it isn't as described. I'm sorry, what wasn't described? It was NEW. It doesn't have a BOX. It's called SURPLUS. And then not to even contact me and tell me that there is a problem with it? If it showed up broken, it had insurance. I would have filed a claim, and been done with it. Those things are packed in copious amounts of foam to ensure that they have the best chance to arrive intact. If it didn't, the insurance will take care of it.

Seriously people. Don't be FREAKING STUPID.

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:27 am
by Amirya
That's like asking people to hold their breath indefinitely, Shoju. Never happen.

(I've been listening to a coworker next to me tell this guy, for the last 10 minutes, "3 independent witnesses all agree the guy you hit wasn't speeding. Therefore, HE WASN'T SPEEDING.")

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:27 pm
by Shoju
It's just frustrating. You don't like somethign? Fine. Return it. Not a problem. I even went above and beyond and waved our normal policy of "no returns on items that aren't defective or not as described" But, to want me to LOSE money on this because you don't like it?

Do people expect to buy something from Best Buy, take it home, realize they don't like it, return it, and then ask for their gas money back on the original trip to the store?

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:32 pm
by Mannstein
I work in the it of a global company... you don't imagine the idiocity i face from the soo called Master Minds...

IT Senior tech: "I don't how could they f`ck up this simple instruction"
Me: "They did exactly what you told them to do"
IT Senior tech: "yes, they should know better"

IT Senior Tech: "I implemented this change without your authorisation, now the audit are filling a report, can you help me answer them?"
Me: "You did what?!"

IT Project Manager:"I need to order aditional servers and space for a project, who can i speak?"
Me (ironic):"Maybe you should get a IT Project Manager"
IT Project Manager:"Cool, do you have his contact?"

IT Project Manager:"All new Processes and mandatory IT comms should be placed on the IT Portal. I can't read all those emails."
Human Resource Cooworker:"Good idea, what do you like the most on the IT Portal?"
IT Project Manager:"Oh, i have never entered it."

This is not make up, this are serious work discussions :S

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:41 pm
by djlar
People in my workplace thinks that if a thing has cables or works with electricity I.T. should fix it...

Say for example an extension cord or a lightbulb...

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:04 pm
by Klaudandus
djlar wrote:People in my workplace thinks that if a thing has cables or works with electricity I.T. should fix it...

Say for example an extension cord or a lightbulb...


Or a PA system, or a 20 yr old tv...

Re: Post your Frustrations.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:06 pm
by Amirya
Or when people ask me the status on their car repairs...

"Um, we're waiting for the final bill so we can pay it."
"Yes, but where in the repairs are they? Has it been fixed? Painted?"
"...have you tried calling the shop directly and asking?"
"Oh, I can do that?!"