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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:08 am

Gc said on twitter that this patch had a bunch of tooltip fixes
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Flex » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:08 am

Worldie wrote:Another nerf to shadowpriests in last patch notes, despite we're already 30k DPS behind the top dps in latest simulations...

I don't want to reroll, please give me a reason for my raidleader to keep bringing our class to the raids in 5.2


Simulations don't mean jack and as GC tweeted yesterday, they're going through and fixing a lot of tooltips in the next push which of course will be picked up as buffs/nerfs by data miners.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Worldie » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:18 am

This isnt a tooltip fix, they removed Glyph of Mind Spike interaction with FDCL, meaning no more istant MBs with procs.
In the previous built they nerfed considerably DP damage "to reduce PvP burst".

I hate whining but this is getting over my nerves, I don't mind being nerfed if i'm op, but i'm consistently the bottom of the charts in my guild on any pure ST fight, and I'm definitively not worse than them seeing my damage is 1-2k DPS from my simulated dps.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Teranoid » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:38 am

Flex wrote:
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Flex wrote:Got an awesome F U forum post related to my frustration at the top of this page.


What's the basic gist? "I'm already the bestest there is without becoming total hardcore nerd like you!"?


More "I'm being singled out when other people are also bad and if we were serious progression guild we'd have kicked Flex for being a bad tank."


That entire post you linked me in one gif:

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:50 am

Teranoid wrote:That entire post you linked me in one gif:

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Long time no see the catch gifs!

And spot-on to describe the situation.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby twinkfist » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:42 pm

working on my resume...and my comp kept freezing like it wants me to be stuck at my job.

lfr is a dirty whore with herpes. 4pc? no...but my 6th pair of impaling treads....go f yourself windlord.

also, want to level my alts...love the dk, shaman and hunter since i got JS hunter bar...but with running dailies...farming...doing lfr on my pally and warrior...they are withering like the dead guys in 28 days later.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Jabari » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:55 pm

Worldie wrote:Another nerf to shadowpriests in last patch notes, despite we're already 30k DPS behind the top dps in latest simulations...

I don't want to reroll, please give me a reason for my raidleader to keep bringing our class to the raids in 5.2


Ok, here are a few:

Hymn of Hope = happy healers
Void Shift + (Desperate Prayer/Dispersion/Healthstone) = saved person that was about to die
Halo/Cascade and/or VE = good after "bad overloads"/Titan Gas/Go Away/etc etc etc

(Don't forget the "Priest" part of the Shadowpriest!)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:22 pm

my school email system is how we get told about class being canceled and such

which also doesnt like chrome for some reason, or at least my computer
the only internet browser i have had it work on from my pc is IE

the reason this is a frustration? missed getting the message that i didnt have class today so lost out on a lot of sleep
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:31 pm

Worldie wrote:This isnt a tooltip fix, they removed Glyph of Mind Spike interaction with FDCL, meaning no more istant MBs with procs.
In the previous built they nerfed considerably DP damage "to reduce PvP burst".

I hate whining but this is getting over my nerves, I don't mind being nerfed if i'm op, but i'm consistently the bottom of the charts in my guild on any pure ST fight, and I'm definitively not worse than them seeing my damage is 1-2k DPS from my simulated dps.


The DP change wasn't a nerf, unless you PVP, they spread out the damage to the dots. It's already been simmed as a VERY minor dps loss.

The new one however, is a solid nerf. I didn't use FDCL myself, as it was too proccy for me, but I can see where that will hurt.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:33 pm

Jabari wrote:
Worldie wrote:Another nerf to shadowpriests in last patch notes, despite we're already 30k DPS behind the top dps in latest simulations...

I don't want to reroll, please give me a reason for my raidleader to keep bringing our class to the raids in 5.2


Ok, here are a few:

Hymn of Hope = happy healers
Void Shift + (Desperate Prayer/Dispersion/Healthstone) = saved person that was about to die
Halo/Cascade and/or VE = good after "bad overloads"/Titan Gas/Go Away/etc etc etc

(Don't forget the "Priest" part of the Shadowpriest!)


But Divine Star is better dps... :-) Halo doesn't work well when you are supposed to do a lot of stacking.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Jabari » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:53 pm

halabar wrote:But Divine Star is better dps... :-) Halo doesn't work well when you are supposed to do a lot of stacking.


Heh, I'm actually messing around a bit with the Star now :)
(Plus, it's something else you can actually hit on-the-move - I got REALLY spoiled by playing my hunter...)

It's been a while, but everything I looked at before (IV, mainly) said to just take Halo and use it as a damage cooldown. That just seems like a colossal waste of a skill to me - Halo's a very good healing CD and should be used as such. (Not so good when stacked up, as you said, but quite nice otherwise.)

Cascade's been really fun with my Holy spec as well - taking that in Shadow seems fine as a decent healing skill (I'd macro it to hit myself so I don't have to re-target).

Don't know about the FDCL stuff - I've always used the squid. *shrug* Well, that and my priest is my 3rd-in-priority char so he doesn't get near the playtime of the others - I'm lucky to get him through all of LFR in a week.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Worldie » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:12 pm

Let's not be stupid.

Hymn of Hope is hardly noticeable, fights are tuned with healers not having it, and even when they have it it's a very minimal amount of mana.

Halo and Divine Star's heals are a joke. They are so small that they are lost in the massive amount of aoe healing going on in serious raids. Don't see how the 25k heal from my DS is going to save someone taking 100k aoes or stop a healer from hotting the shit out of them.
Plus, if you are serious on DPSing, you use them on cooldown, thus can never time them to hit right after damage anyway.

I use Void shift every now and then, but in fact, many times you cant, cause if you use it, and are hit by an aoe right after, you just change the person who dies. And a DPS death is a wipe in hc raiding.

Let's not be silly, the Hybrid classes have been dead long ago. No class brings special utilities to the raid to justify them being 30k dps behind other dps classes.
Oh wait, i have lifegrip.

In real raiding, Shadowpriests are a DPS, they can't use any of their support skills.
No, sorry, 10 men normal and LFR are not "real raiding". They are tuned for casuals and disorganized groups, so even if you stop doing dps and start healing, the boss wont Enrage wipe you.


Sorry, random raging, I really hate being a dead weight in my raid group. Hardcore people bring shadowpriests to single target fights only when they have no other casters to fill the spots nowadays.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:36 pm

Worldie wrote:No, sorry, 10 men normal and LFR are not "real raiding". They are tuned for casuals and disorganized groups, so even if you stop doing dps and start healing, the boss wont Enrage wipe you.


10-man Elegon would like a word with you.

Ignoring rest of whining.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:37 pm

Jabari wrote:
halabar wrote:But Divine Star is better dps... :-) Halo doesn't work well when you are supposed to do a lot of stacking.


Heh, I'm actually messing around a bit with the Star now :)
(Plus, it's something else you can actually hit on-the-move - I got REALLY spoiled by playing my hunter...)

It's been a while, but everything I looked at before (IV, mainly) said to just take Halo and use it as a damage cooldown. That just seems like a colossal waste of a skill to me - Halo's a very good healing CD and should be used as such. (Not so good when stacked up, as you said, but quite nice otherwise.)


The problem with Halo is that it has that "sweet spot" to do great dps.. and it falls off rapidly if you are not at the exact range. Once they buffed DS, a lot of spriests went to it.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Flex » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:40 pm

Worldie wrote:Sorry, random raging, I really hate being a dead weight in my raid group. Hardcore people bring shadowpriests to single target fights only when they have no other casters to fill the spots nowadays.


Now a days? According to Raid Bots outside of outliers like Arcane and Afflicttion Shadow is a top DPS spec for this entire tier.

Sounds to me you're just bitching to bitch and you regret playing a class you're not amazing at.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Teranoid » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:27 pm

Welcome to Maintankadin:

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Stay for the rampant complaining and wild accusations about how everyone's class is the worst class in the game and it's all Blizzards fault.

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And still you say

In real raiding, Shadowpriests are a DPS, they can't use any of their support skills.
No, sorry, 10 men normal and LFR are not "real raiding". They are tuned for casuals and disorganized groups, so even if you stop doing dps and start healing, the boss wont Enrage wipe you.


It almost makes sense now.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:32 pm

Worldie wrote:In real raiding, Shadowpriests are a DPS, they can't use any of their support skills.
No, sorry, 10 men normal and LFR are not "real raiding". They are tuned for casuals and disorganized groups, so even if you stop doing dps and start healing, the boss wont Enrage wipe you.

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fetzie » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:36 pm

No, sorry, 10 men normal and LFR are not "real raiding". They are tuned for casuals and disorganized groups, so even if you stop doing dps and start healing, the boss wont Enrage wipe you.


25 man normal is tuned just the same as 10 man, except you can let the tank die three times and still kill the boss. Both formats are challenging on Heroic mode.

I've done both formats in two different, equally progressed groups in roughly equivalent gear.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:26 pm

I'm not a "real raider" in Worldie's eyes, but I constantly bubble myself (and occasionally the tanks), use PoM, and even put up a renew here and there. It's mostly to fish for Twist of Fate procs, but it certainly helped when our healers (holy priest/pally) were struggling. Of course... now we have Ami doing the shaman thing, so it's less of an issue, but I do still sometimes get the damage boost outside of execute.

As for Halo vs Divine Star, I tried Divine Star for a little bit... the cd is too short for me to remember to hit it every time, but that could be fixed by using it more.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:12 pm

My main raid just imploded. No I am without a job.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby theckhd » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:02 pm

Worldie wrote:Hymn of Hope is hardly noticeable, fights are tuned with healers not having it, and even when they have it it's a very minimal amount of mana.

I don't know about your raid, but we've used Hymn of Hope for progression kills fairly often.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Darielle » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:09 pm

The REAL big thing is Dispersion. While it's not unique in its ability to take care of mechanics (e.g. Ice Block, Divine Shield), its cooldown and the fact that it's not an immunity make it pretty much the most universally handy soak mechanic that Blizzard can never bypass.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:49 pm

Klaudandus wrote:My main raid just imploded. No I am without a job.


The two infinites of the universe strike again... Well, at least you've got your job cut out for the coming days...
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Mannstein » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:20 am

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Worldie wrote:Hymn of Hope is hardly noticeable, fights are tuned with healers not having it, and even when they have it it's a very minimal amount of mana.

I don't know about your raid, but we've used Hymn of Hope for progression kills fairly often.

If i had a STG pot for each progression fight where the SP (2)were requested to cast Hymn, i would NEVAR need to go farming again....
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Worldie » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:52 am

I disagree. And I don't really see how shadow is "amazing and topping meters", as I said, I can hit fairly consistently my simmed DPS, and I'm constantly bottom of the line, not cause they outskill me, but because other classes just scale better with gear.
I don't even ask for topping meters, I'm not a dps whore, I just ask to be competitive and justify my raid spot. Back in the days when i occasionally played Ret in raids, I had no problems in being bottom DPS because my raid benefitted greatly from the buffs I bring. Right now, I feel I bring the raid nothing.


p.s. I remember this is a "post your Frustration" threat, we made it to allow people to rant a bit when they need to get it out, and right now, I'm quite disappointed by my situation.
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