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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Shoju » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:00 pm

I was/am a believer in the idea that if you don't want to be a part of my guild, I don't necessarily want you to be a part of my raid.

If you only wanted to hang with me during a raid, it would make me feel like you only want to hang with me for the purpz. And if you only want to hang with me for the purpz, I don't necessarily want to hang with you. It's one of the things that I loved about <lurkers> for a very long time. It's not a raiding guild. It's a social guild, built primarily of people from the forums, and populated with people we thought would be a good addition. Sometimes, it held true. Other times, not so much.

It's probably the biggest reason why when I looked for other guilds, none of them suited what I was looking for. There wasn't the same type of social interaction. I'd put an alt in the guild to check it out, and there just wasn't much talk in Guild Chat, there weren't people looking to just hang, doing whatever. It was raid stuff, and then do your own thing.

Even towards the end of my play time, when I was primarily raiding or soloing, I'd still chat, I'd still talk, I'd still go run something with someone if they wanted to, I'd even include people in my runs if they really wanted to, and it wasn't some boss that I was trying to get down completely solo.

Even now, the only thing I miss is the social part of the guild. I don't miss the raiding. I don't miss the soloing (that much). I miss hanging with people and chatting.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:06 pm

Shoju wrote:I was/am a believer in the idea that if you don't want to be a part of my guild, I don't necessarily want you to be a part of my raid.

If you only wanted to hang with me during a raid, it would make me feel like you only want to hang with me for the purpz. And if you only want to hang with me for the purpz, I don't necessarily want to hang with you. It's one of the things that I loved about <lurkers> for a very long time. It's not a raiding guild. It's a social guild, built primarily of people from the forums, and populated with people we thought would be a good addition. Sometimes, it held true. Other times, not so much.

It's probably the biggest reason why when I looked for other guilds, none of them suited what I was looking for. There wasn't the same type of social interaction. I'd put an alt in the guild to check it out, and there just wasn't much talk in Guild Chat, there weren't people looking to just hang, doing whatever. It was raid stuff, and then do your own thing.

Even towards the end of my play time, when I was primarily raiding or soloing, I'd still chat, I'd still talk, I'd still go run something with someone if they wanted to, I'd even include people in my runs if they really wanted to, and it wasn't some boss that I was trying to get down completely solo.

Even now, the only thing I miss is the social part of the guild. I don't miss the raiding. I don't miss the soloing (that much). I miss hanging with people and chatting.


Well, the flip side is you can get locked into a bad raid situation, or get forced into a guild you don't like just to raid.

Free agent raiding has it's advantages.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Teranoid » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:26 pm

I'm interested to hear how one gets "forced into a guild they don't like just to raid".
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby djlar » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:32 pm

Guild attendance issue, plus 3 core raiders leave the guild because we weren't progressing at all, in fact we regressed .

We were 6/6 normal MSV + 3/6 HoF, this week it was 5/6 MSV and 2/6 HoF.

So I'm staying here to show my support and maybe get some new good raiders, current fill-ups screwed really bad on Garalon stepping into the purple circle on almost every attempt..
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby benebarba » Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:12 pm

Shoju wrote:I was/am a believer in the idea that if you don't want to be a part of my guild, I don't necessarily want you to be a part of my raid.

If you only wanted to hang with me during a raid, it would make me feel like you only want to hang with me for the purpz. And if you only want to hang with me for the purpz, I don't necessarily want to hang with you. It's one of the things that I loved about <lurkers> for a very long time. It's not a raiding guild. It's a social guild, built primarily of people from the forums, and populated with people we thought would be a good addition. Sometimes, it held true. Other times, not so much.


I didn't mean to imply that I *wouldn't* join the guilds I tank(ed) for as a 'PUG', nor that I was some silent tank-bot there waiting for loot to drop. I BS'd with the raid, run stuff with them outside the raid, and more than anything what I wanted was to get a bit of experience and I happened to enjoy the group. From the RL's perspective, I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume they aren't just keeping me around for my amazing tanking prowess. (nope, couldn't keep a straight face :P). Heck, in the other groups I did this stuff for, I *still* chat randomly with some of the members even though that guild has long since gone inactive.

For me, at the moment, why I wouldn't hop guilds at the moment is because 1) I expect we will raid eventually 2) I was asked to take over MT duties and assist the RL & GM to keep the group going (with mixed results) 3) the host RL I run with knows the situation, and knows that I'm there to tank for them as long as I am able and they will have me.

So for me, if someone brought up the issue of 'just being there for the purpz' as though they carried me to them, I'd bring up the hours I spent wiping with them, the fact I paid my own repair bill, the fact that I bring my own mats, dropped repair bots, helped summon raiders, and do pretty much exactly the same thing as any other of their guild raiders sans talking in their text guild chat and having the same letters under my name. I'd then also never tank for them again. Thankfully I doubt that will be an issue.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:34 pm

as far as pugs being part of the guild..well both the guilds i am in are more social guilds
yes, i would prefer to have everyone on our guild, but sometimes that isnt possible

and sometimes those pugs bring someone to the guild
T11 we were faced with a healer shortage. pugged a healadin, he liked us, we liked him, and he raided with us as a PKer for T12 and T13, and so far has been to 50% of the raids we have done in MoP (yay 1/2)
he isnt the best mage ever, but he makes us laugh, is part of the conversations, and is even one of the runniing guild jokes (gnome tainted lobster...yum yum)
we never said (afair) you have to join us or you cant raid with us. we asked if he would like to join...but never had the ultimatum.

there are times i wish i could be part of a slightly more hardcore raiding team, but honestly, i would never be happy because i wouldnt have the friendships and that i have now.
i raid with friends, for fun. yes i can be hardcore at times..but that is just part of me.
if we get along, i would love to get a pug to join us, but not for the raid team
it is so we can chat with the entire guild while we arent raiding. that is what a guild is for me.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nordix » Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:30 am

Jabari wrote:@Nordix:
Did you get (or even roll on) any loot from the raid after you had your other-guild interview set up?


No,I'm not a robber.

Lastwolf wrote:As a sort-of RL it's really hard not to take it personal when people leave, especially when it's over the speed of progress, it's usually good players that end up leaving because of that, it's just a major set back.


Good people are hard to replace and it's basically throwing a spanner in the works, he's prolly just butt hurt, I'd send him a in game mail or something, explaining concisely that for while you thought about it (leaving) and you changed your mind, not that you didn't get accepted elsewhere.

If he continues to be a dick, you'll just have to weather the storm or maybe see if you can reapply


Well,I tried explaining to him and he was freaking out like a 5 year old.I'm trying to weather the storm now,some guildies are even defending me maybe,but it's a shame he does NOT understand anyone else's point of view -even after being in a really good guild himself. Thankfully things span up,and while this tier our world position will be sucky,next tier -if we're stil alive - we can get back to our former "glory" of world 200.

Mannstein wrote:Well to be honest i would be an even greater dick... Only time as a GM i was aware of a player applying to another guild I setup the 25 men raid... get him in, saved and i ask him:
RL(me): Hey i heard you apply to the "new guild"!?
Raider: yes
RL (me): Well, good luck then.
Raider has left the raid (Kicked)
Raider has left the guild (Kicked)

Didn't you warn you were applying to another guild?.... i cannot agree with that.


I did make indications,tho not a direct admittance ever to him,only my friends knew.Kept hinting these breadcrumbs for him for about a week before I applied. My number one prio is progression rate in a guild,if it falls behind and I can't see anything being done to fix it [Explanation: This new guild does not have an officer board anymore,everyone is equal now,even in rankname.And he was a raidlogger,so not online during day much.Being on a halfdead server didnt help either] then I consider leaving/switching.
If you would've done that ,you would hurt yourself a lot too - just as my current GM does.This "play" is like a sword with two blades.

@Teranoid: I'm really sorry but I cannot take you seriously,you're just really pretentious and misunderstanding.

Halabar wrote:However... you also have to be prepared for the consequences. Don't expect people to be happy with you.

I know,but on the level he was raiding /we were raiding you can't be a kid who is butthurt,you have to understand the consequences yourself.Like I explained in a post above ,if you dont do anything to fix the situation, your raiders WILL Leave,because we're in for the progression mainly and THEN the atmosphere,not the other way around or not to boost people/teach them the ropes.

@Treckie: Sums it up,except I still didn't want to break the game for a few by leaving.

djlar wrote:Guild attendance issue, plus 3 core raiders leave the guild because we weren't progressing at all, in fact we regressed .

We were 6/6 normal MSV + 3/6 HoF, this week it was 5/6 MSV and 2/6 HoF.

So I'm staying here to show my support and maybe get some new good raiders, current fill-ups screwed really bad on Garalon stepping into the purple circle on almost every attempt..


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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby benebarba » Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:17 am

Who's got two thumbs and is at work on the weekend?

<-- this guy.

Also, some of the build engineers want to throttle the person who does the scheduling for spreading the test builds out over the entire shift *this time* for some reason. Every other time it's been sequential, making it way easier to anticipate (for us and the assemblers, since we can just say basically 'the next 5 are going to use the special parts in that bin there') and monitor progress.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:05 am

Nordix wrote:... you can't be a kid who is butthurt...


Far too many of them are. And far too many are put in leadership roles without any skills.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fetzie » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:33 am

Christmas songs that still make it into the charts 40 years after being released. Surely everybody already has at least one copy by now?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nooska » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:38 am

What are you specificlaly thinking of? Wham!?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fetzie » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:43 am

Wham, Slade, Shaking Stevens, Wizzard, Band Aid, The Pogues, think Paul McCartney did one too.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Lastwolf » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:00 am

Gettting a bit bored of all this one foot forwards, 3 step backwards raiding routine. Raid leader having an emo fit at the end of the last few raids isn't helping matters.

Nowhere for me to go though, all the guilds above us are Finnish or danish, not really interested it taking a massive drop in progress, I'd side step if I thought it was remotely worth it. Sigh, just once I'd like to be the worst, least informed member of a guild, the guy that has to be worked around cause he's too tarded to follow basic instructions, it must be nice.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby samsara » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:05 am

2 tanks dying on lei shi, so we did with 3 tanks, still dying on lei shi, so we did it with 4 tanks, still dying on lei shi, everytime on about 30-40% , even with def-cd's running.... frustrating evening yesterday :(
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Newsom » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:26 am

So many bugs after faction transfer - I don't have a portal from Stormwind to Pandaria becaus the quest is completely broken due to phasing, and now I'm missing several pets that say "already known" if I re-buy them but are still greyed out in the pet journal.

Edit: I made a ticket and the GM gave me the Horde version of the Guild Herald instead. It's an orc! I'm not supposed to have that! xD
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:05 pm

Newsom wrote:Edit: I made a ticket and the GM gave me the Horde version of the Guild Herald instead. It's an orc! I'm not supposed to have that! xD


Pet orc as alliance is awesome.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nooska » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:02 pm

Nooo, please, release it. Thats Thrall junior, clearly - have you checked if you can battle it yet?.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fetzie » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:27 pm

You can't battle with the "child model" companions.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Newsom » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:03 pm

It's actually the same size as my character. :P
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby benebarba » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:21 am

Daughter decides waking up at 2 am is a good thing. Wife and I trade off trying to get her back to bed.

Can't get back to sleep, it's about 4 AM, figure this is a good time for some time on a neglected alt.

open up WOW... 4 AM - 1 PM maintenance. FUUUUUU :x
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:53 am

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Era » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:04 am

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/10/apple_applies_to_trademark_the_leaf/

And this is why I dislike Apple.


...I have to agree. I try to remain unbiased (because I've always preferred non-Apple products and my girlfriend has always preferred Apple products and it's amazing what you can start arguments over when you've been together long enough), but the rectangle-thing pissed me off, and this is getting ridiculous. Honestly I'm amazed its even legal, because it bloody well shouldn't be. :|



Also, frustration: My brain works faster than my brain.

I'm doing some calculations, write the numbers down, then go "Wait, is this correct", at which point my brain goes "Keep up you retard, I already worked this out", so I check the numbers and they're correct and I've wasted time because my brain can't keep up with my brain.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:33 am

Era wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/10/apple_applies_to_trademark_the_leaf/

And this is why I dislike Apple.


...I have to agree. I try to remain unbiased (because I've always preferred non-Apple products and my girlfriend has always preferred Apple products and it's amazing what you can start arguments over when you've been together long enough), but the rectangle-thing pissed me off, and this is getting ridiculous. Honestly I'm amazed its even legal, because it bloody well shouldn't be. :|


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*SARCASM MODE*
Hmm.... the shape is clearly similar, I bet football is using a shape similar to our leaf to capitalize on our popularity~! It's even tilted in the same angle!
*SARCASM MODE*

Makes me wanna beat the guy in charge of the patent office that allowed this to happen.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Hespherus » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:45 am

Era wrote:Also, frustration: My brain works faster than my brain.

I'm doing some calculations, write the numbers down, then go "Wait, is this correct", at which point my brain goes "Keep up you retard, I already worked this out", so I check the numbers and they're correct and I've wasted time because my brain can't keep up with my brain.

I loled :mrgreen:
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nooska » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:57 am

Well, I don't know about international patent offices, but I know that around here you can object to a patent filing and it can be refused for not being specific enough (ie you cannot file a patent on something so generic as a general shape)
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