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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby djlar » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:24 am

Man, one of those nights where your ISP flaps up, DCing just as they pulled a boss (Elegon), they wiped (not because of 24 players but a tank mishap on the add that rape several people. Then all OK back to game I relog in the City, I ask for a summon, nobody does, they pull again with 24, I was like "oh God if they killed it I won't be able to roll for anything", well, they didn't again, some people got too many stacks and died.

By then I already flew to the instance and zoned in, barely made it to the boss chamber before they pulled, I hit "not ready" on the ready check, they still pull, no food buff my poisons ran out. Another wipe, one tank fell off the floor...

Well next pull everything OK, we were on the second set of sparks, I freakin' DC'd again, they were saying I was on midair, so I waited to log until the floor spawned, when it did I come back, but I'm falling off THE WORLD over and over and the game kicks me out (it doesn't know what to do I think) I try several times same result, I timed it so when they kill the boss I log a second later, I did and got to use the coin and all (whew!)... figures it was GOLD again..
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:15 am

Raid Cancelled.

A-freaking-gain.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nordix » Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:55 pm

Followup to the "racism in my guild" story:

The racist guy left the guild after hc starshatter dropped and he havent gotten it.It surfaced that he was already about to leave at the end of the week,because we are too casual. I kinda tried putting up with him because he was a goodish player.
By the time,we were progressing on heroic zorlok,a hard boss in heart of fear and we still havent had spirt kings/will hc, so we were behind by a lot. That can be accounted for shit healers in previous guild and the disband/reform process, but on zorlok,it was incredibly tedious to wipe at the same part due to the same 2 players dying for 150 tries straight.After this racist guy left((because of the disband/fails at zorlok,n such)) I was only happy for a second,because it got worse,much worse,the guy replacing him was utter crap,just +1 to the failers list.(And I've seen him as the crack that will destroy this new fragile guild)

So I thought about quitting my guild of 9 months (Technically,2 weeks ,but 90% of the raiders came to the reformed one,so we can count both as one!).I spent 2.5 hours writing up an application,talking to their members/GM quite a bit,and the feedback was really really positive,got invited for an interview very fast (Which basically means I got accepted.) I was worried and sad a bit,because I'd leave some friends behind.Interview was supposed to take place on a thursday evening after raidtime.
Wednesday came.Zorlok hc progress again.I was logging in with an unspeakable depression because 1: I was going to leave them ,2:Zorlok again ,watching the same bads.
And then a miracle happened,fails stopped ,they were literally cut off,and we downed hc zorlok in a couple of pulls.I had a huge mega wtf impression all over my face,considering to withdraw my app,because my guild may just have resurrected from it's ashes.We proceeded to clear the usual farmbosses after the kill.On the interview day(Next day) we went back to progress on blade lord tayak,and killed it in ~25 tries.
Even bigger WTF.I've withdrawn my app 1 minute after the kill,explaning why and how and what.The new guild's atmosphere was better,their progression was way way way WAY better,would've been a nobrainer call for some,I still withdrawn and stayed in my flawed guild because of a few people and because I have honor not shagging them off midprogression when the guild found itself and things span up. -If it died out,like the indications shown,then it would've been okay,but not like this.

Fast forward to this week/today->Someone somehow finds out about my app->information gets relayed to my GM ->and now he is literally a d*ck with me.Asking nearimpossible or paradoxial things,yelling when I dont succeed,blocking me on loot/gbank,considering promoting a social tank to trial then replaceme and explicitly stating its because I applied.

I'm lost. From one problem to another.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:03 pm

Ouch.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nikachelle » Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:37 pm

Holy hell...
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Jabari » Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:28 pm

@Nordix:
Did you get (or even roll on) any loot from the raid after you had your other-guild interview set up?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Lastwolf » Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:56 pm

As a sort-of RL it's really hard not to take it personal when people leave, especially when it's over the speed of progress, it's usually good players that end up leaving because of that, it's just a major set back.


Good people are hard to replace and it's basically throwing a spanner in the works, he's prolly just butt hurt, I'd send him a in game mail or something, explaining concisely that for while you thought about it (leaving) and you changed your mind, not that you didn't get accepted elsewhere.

If he continues to be a dick, you'll just have to weather the storm or maybe see if you can reapply :P
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Gab » Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:13 pm

Raiders who are ultra sensitive about criticism and always have some excuse even though we log every fight...
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fetzie » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:10 am

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Mannstein » Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:23 am

Nordix wrote:Followup to the "racism in my guild" story:
Fast forward to this week/today->Someone somehow finds out about my app->information gets relayed to my GM ->and now he is literally a d*ck with me.Asking nearimpossible or paradoxial things,yelling when I dont succeed,blocking me on loot/gbank,considering promoting a social tank to trial then replaceme and explicitly stating its because I applied.

I'm lost. From one problem to another.


Well to be honest i would be an even greater dick... Only time as a GM i was aware of a player applying to another guild I setup the 25 men raid... get him in, saved and i ask him:
RL(me): Hey i heard you apply to the "new guild"!?
Raider: yes
RL (me): Well, good luck then.
Raider has left the raid (Kicked)
Raider has left the guild (Kicked)

Didn't you warn you were applying to another guild?.... i cannot agree with that.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:56 am

While I agree he should've told his RL or GM that he was applying elsewhere, there's no sense in being a child and getting him saved. That's just petty. There's enough dicks in this game - we don't need to add to the list.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Teranoid » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:02 am

Yeah no sympathy here if you didn't even tell them you were apping elsewhere.

As a guild/raid lead if I get wind of people apping elsewhere they're gone. No question about it and I won't even wait till you log on to explain yourself. You were justifiably unhappy but still you have to look at it from their perspective. I'd be pissed if people were in my raids potentially gearing up to go elsewhere which has happened to me in the past. That is the choice you make when you apply to other guilds while still being tagged.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby theckhd » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:07 am

Do you always tell your employer when you're looking for another job?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby twinkfist » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:15 am

gotta agree with theck on this one..plus, they aren't paying him to play this game.

i'm sort of stuck with my raid group...1 because i like them...2 because i refuse to fill out an application for a guild.

f that...if i'm not getting paid...you can suck my application.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby twinkfist » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:16 am

gotta agree with theck on this one..plus, they aren't paying him to play this game.

i'm sort of stuck with my raid group...1 because i like them...2 because i refuse to fill out an application for a guild.

f that...if i'm not getting paid...you can suck my application.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:28 am

theckhd wrote:Do you always tell your employer when you're looking for another job?

Actually, internally, it's expressly written that we have to inform our current boss that we're looking for another job within the company. But I get where you're going... it's a courtesy for sure.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Shoju » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:33 am

theckhd wrote:Do you always tell your employer when you're looking for another job?



I have to agree with Theck on this one. I looked a few times while I was playing, and in <Lurkers> A few people knew. But I didn't say anything because the guilds that professed to be what I wanted, well... they really weren't.

I didn't make it public knowledge, because it would have done no good to the guild for me, the Raid Leader, an Officer, and at times the.... "face" of a Guild Leader** to be saying "Yeah.... i'm not sure I'm sticking around".

Sometimes, it's safe to tell people. Other times, the situation isn't going to be made better by telling anyone. If it would have gotten serious, and one of the guilds that I was looking at would have become "interesting", obviously, I would have told someone. But, I don't think that if you App to a guild, you are automatically required to talk the management about it.




**There were a few times. Most notably from late in TOC until Arthas died to us the first time, and then once again, from when I decided to put my foot down about not getting to kill Arthas until Cata dropped. And then in DS, when it became clear that there were going to be "2 teams" working separate nights due to the sucktastic nature of DS, I was sort of... the "face" of Wednesday Night Raiding. The fracture the was created in the guild at that point was brutal.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:48 am

Agreeing with Theck as well.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Teranoid » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:01 pm

twinkfist wrote:gotta agree with theck on this one..plus, they aren't paying him to play this game.

i'm sort of stuck with my raid group...1 because i like them...2 because i refuse to fill out an application for a guild.

f that...if i'm not getting paid...you can suck my application.


Because spending 5-10 minutes answering general questions to ensure to your prospective guild that you're not a complete retard is utterly time consuming right? This responses kills me every time I see someone use it.

And I agree Theck that yeah you're not going to go tell your boss "hey my job sucks and I hate the people I work with so I'm going to look for more work while I collect a paycheck here" but by the same token it IS a game.

How fucking hard is it to say "hey I'm moving on good luck" or even "whatever I'm leaving"? It literally takes 30 seconds. You could put them on ignore/log off/do whatever from that point forward. He tried to app to another guild while being tagged and now is getting shit for it since he's decided that suddenly since stuff started dying the guild is worth staying in.

What happens when it starts again?
Try and bail to another guild and do it all over again?

I just think it's shoddy to try and play both sides of the fence and expect not to get shit for it.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:31 pm

I heartily agree with Theck, you stay quiet until you are ready to move, unless as Nika stated there is something in policy or your contract. (However in Nika's case, that would be more like "I'm leveling an alt and I want to start healing instead of tanking".)

However... you also have to be prepared for the consequences. Don't expect people to be happy with you.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:39 pm

Realized what is really eating at me with my raid group. There is never success, there is only failure on the next boss.

A new boss dies, and on the first wipe on the next boss, the same whining starts "WHAT happened THERE?!?!" (Dude, it's the first freeking pull!) It's not a hardcore team, regardless of how hard they want to act that way.

When the full bitching starts when I go on vacation for three weeks coming up, I think I'm done with this raid team. A few want to kick me just because I'm going on vacation, even though they certainly have their own attendance problems. I'm too old to have some 20-year old try to manipulate me like that.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Treck » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:46 pm

It obviously depends a lot on your situation in the guild, If you are not happy in the current state and dont really like the other people there, dont tell them you are thinking about leaving, you already know you dont really care anyway.
If you DO care, let them know, or atleast the other people you do care about WHY you are getting these thoughts.
I dont think it should be that closely drawn towards a job application tbh since indeed, you are not payed to be there, you are there for your own "fun"(or indirectly to have "fun" with friends) If you are not having fun, then go where do you have fun.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:50 pm

Teranoid wrote:
twinkfist wrote:gotta agree with theck on this one..plus, they aren't paying him to play this game.

i'm sort of stuck with my raid group...1 because i like them...2 because i refuse to fill out an application for a guild.

f that...if i'm not getting paid...you can suck my application.


Because spending 5-10 minutes answering general questions to ensure to your prospective guild that you're not a complete retard is utterly time consuming right? This responses kills me every time I see someone use it.


Totally agreeing with this here. I've had more people in the last week tell me they won't fill out application than I even want to mention. If you can't be bothered to fill out an application, do a Vent interview with me... then why the hell do I want you on my team? They've already got a communication issue as far as I'm concerned - and that's not something I want to actively add to the mix.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:58 pm

Frankly, I've never seen the value of applications in the game for most guilds. Much greater value in an armory inspection and a trial run with the alt team. A verbal interview would be a lot better as well.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:59 pm

Was enabling and disabling addons to check an fps issue, got nowhere with that, and suddenly half my settings for my unit frames reset themselves...
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