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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Andurin » Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:46 am

Levantine wrote:Well given that I don't actually play a mage, this might be totally wrong, but the Ignite nerf AND the Critical Mass nerf together seems pretty stiff for fire.

This one time I gave the posters over there the benefit of the doubt. I had a stroke.


Doing 60k dps with heroic only gear clearly isnt allowed :( Back to 30k it is :(
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:51 am

Zoiks! Just saw the nerf. Fire mages were insane to begin with, but that must have hurt like hell.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby valura » Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:06 am

Sagara wrote:
Levantine wrote:Well if MMOChamp is to be believed mages are officially dead after the last round of nerfs to combustion and critical mass.

My guess is Warlock atm.


According to the MMO-champ forums, EVERYTHING's dead. Mages, Warlocks, Rogues, Warriors, even our little dog! Blizzard KILLED HIM! :-p

I'll go check warlocks out on icyveins.


Meh, MMOChamp's a whiny little bitch... went on my 87 firemage last night and did some instances, and was only outdps'ed by a lvl 90 warrior and lvl 90 hunter. Even the 88 hunter and the 89 priest were way below me. Unless the scale at 90 is so terribad it's crippling... I hope not :?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:33 am

That's part of the reason I like Wow Insider's DPS analysis post they did a couple of times: it's a generally sound premise, there are enough caveats to keep the data in perspective, and they don't (seem to) have an agenda to shove down our throats.

Also, I just might dust out my Shaman after all :)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:38 am

I still wish it would not take a single Keg Smash for the monk tank to take all my threat away from me...
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby twinkfist » Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:03 am

well, didn't raid last night. now, some people didn't show up for any reason...but one guy had an actual legit reason.

hoping...fingers crossed...that we actually raid tomorrow night. i just want to kill something that isn't lfr.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:55 pm

So.. our rogue was MIA last night, so we had to pug a mage...

Frustration/amusement: The poor pug mage, RL barking out "FAIL" when the pug didn't get his pillar down on time, and then again when he died. Really? You bring in a pug that hasn't done the raid on normal and you're barking at him like he's been on the raid team? (Also, barking on the first wipe? really? Method you are not).

Frustration 2: Elegon.. that dps check is a bit too tight. Even getting 4 waves of sparks both times still hitting the enrage.

Frustration 3: I'm expecting that I'll get a lot of heat and may loose my raid spot when I go on vacation for 3 weeks in January. Because yeah, the game is more important than life. Combine that with the wanna-be elitist attitudes that are gonna get really bad when we start face-wiping on heroics..
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nooska » Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:42 pm

Elegon.

I like that it is a DPS check.
I like that it is an execution check.
I like that there is a tank challenge (protectors).
I like that there is a phase where you really need to dump.

But I don't like all of it together - too many points of failure, and with a group that isn't world first, and, without offending anyone in it I hope, not quite as good as when we did DS - it just seems too tightly tuned.

Also, I want a tank! (as in, an actual tank, instead of a dps tanking with Sag).

I am soo tempted to gear up my DK and tank - but that will just shift the problem to lack of DPS. I hate the first tier of an expansion, too many guilds vying for the raiders - and eventually at least 50% of them don't go through the second tier of an expansion - we just can't really wait for that.
(Also, I still don't really want to take a tank spot due to my inherent priority as a raid leader - and I've never actually tanked as a DK before, though the same was true as a druid tank in BC and as a tankadin in Cata.)
Gaah - I'll probably end up tanking anyway - maybe I should just do it and get it over with - dps should be easier to recruit... I hope...)

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:26 pm

YAY! I don't think I ever played with an above-average tank in the past... Gonna be fun :)
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby twinkfist » Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:37 pm

halabar wrote:So.. our rogue was MIA last night, so we had to pug a mage...

Frustration/amusement: The poor pug mage, RL barking out "FAIL" when the pug didn't get his pillar down on time, and then again when he died. Really? You bring in a pug that hasn't done the raid on normal and you're barking at him like he's been on the raid team? (Also, barking on the first wipe? really? Method you are not).

Frustration 2: Elegon.. that dps check is a bit too tight. Even getting 4 waves of sparks both times still hitting the enrage.

Frustration 3: I'm expecting that I'll get a lot of heat and may loose my raid spot when I go on vacation for 3 weeks in January. Because yeah, the game is more important than life. Combine that with the wanna-be elitist attitudes that are gonna get really bad when we start face-wiping on heroics..


you could always join our guild. we "raid 2 times a week". sort of the same core since bc. we used to be pretty good. now we are casual and not very good. makes for good times.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:45 pm

Levantine wrote:Well if MMOChamp is to be believed mages are officially dead after the last round of nerfs to combustion and critical mass.

My guess is Warlock atm.

Isn't Frost pretty good still?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:14 pm

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:17 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:
Levantine wrote:Well if MMOChamp is to be believed mages are officially dead after the last round of nerfs to combustion and critical mass.

My guess is Warlock atm.

Isn't Frost pretty good still?


Thought frost was top dps now..
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:00 pm

i give it 2 weeks til pvp whines pile up and hey nerf it to the GROUND!
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:08 pm

Did they buff frost to make it "the best" or just nerf the other two to the point that frost won by default? If it's the former, then I'd agree, if it's the latter, then people will bitch just to bitch, but probably have no basis behind it.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:46 am

Frost's been strong since MoP launch. Fire has been ahead recently, hence the nerfs, I think. GC pointed out in the interview that came out this week: When they nerfed Fire, Frost and Arcane jumped up in rankings, not because they'd changed but because players swapped.

Frost doesn't have the PvP issues against being good dps any more, bldavis. They fixed that by baselining Shatter and Deep Freeze, and making some of the freeze stuff exclusive talents - all Mage specs are now balanced around the stuff that used to make Frost the default PvP spec.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:24 am

the person with the most fucked up relationship(s) is the one everyone turns to for relationship advicee

i seriously need to stop being on fb at 2 am
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:27 am

the person with the most fucked up relationship(s) is the one everyone turns to for relationship advicee

i seriously need to stop being on fb at 2 am
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Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fenrìr » Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:24 am

Nooska wrote:Elegon.

I like that it is a DPS check.
I like that it is an execution check.
I like that there is a tank challenge (protectors).
I like that there is a phase where you really need to dump.

But I don't like all of it together - too many points of failure, and with a group that isn't world first, and, without offending anyone in it I hope, not quite as good as when we did DS - it just seems too tightly tuned.

Also, I want a tank! (as in, an actual tank, instead of a dps tanking with Sag).

I am soo tempted to gear up my DK and tank - but that will just shift the problem to lack of DPS. I hate the first tier of an expansion, too many guilds vying for the raiders - and eventually at least 50% of them don't go through the second tier of an expansion - we just can't really wait for that.
(Also, I still don't really want to take a tank spot due to my inherent priority as a raid leader - and I've never actually tanked as a DK before, though the same was true as a druid tank in BC and as a tankadin in Cata.)
Gaah - I'll probably end up tanking anyway - maybe I should just do it and get it over with - dps should be easier to recruit... I hope...)

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I feel your frustration. On top of that, people seem to have no loyalties first tier cause they all want to pretend their 'world quality' players. Just lost 4 people in my new guild because we weren't progressing fast enough for them despite already having attendance issues.





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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nooska » Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:22 am

Sagara wrote:YAY! I don't think I ever played with an above-average tank in the past... Gonna be fun :)


I appreciate the vote of confidence - never ever tanked on the DK befiore, did I mention that?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby samsara » Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:23 am

Heroic Spirit Kings ...

4th... try phase 4 ...

WOL

1. Player is hunter: check
2. Player is not on his smartest day: check
3. Player uses a spell he shouldn't use the whole fight: check
4. Player uses a spell at the worst possible situation one can imagine: check
5. Player just want to watch the world burn: check

Where Dragonhorn = Hunter and "Frostfalle" = "Frosttrap"

so 90% of the raid where killed by not able to move out and got hit be "flank orders"

this wasn't the big frustration ... it was morefrustrating that we needed another 13 trys to kill the boss because of just stupid brainfucks the whole evening :<
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:33 am

Nooska wrote:
Sagara wrote:YAY! I don't think I ever played with an above-average tank in the past... Gonna be fun :)


I appreciate the vote of confidence - never ever tanked on the DK befiore, did I mention that?


If you've read more than 1 article on DK tanking in MoP, you're already better than ANYONE I tanked non-LFR content with. Maybe one exception, but the tank was his alt.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:45 am

samsara wrote:Heroic Spirit Kings ...

4th... try phase 4 ...

WOL

1. Player is hunter: check
2. Player is not on his smartest day: check
3. Player uses a spell he shouldn't use the whole fight: check
4. Player uses a spell at the worst possible situation one can imagine: check
5. Player just want to watch the world burn: check

Where Dragonhorn = Hunter and "Frostfalle" = "Frosttrap"

so 90% of the raid where killed by not able to move out and got hit be "flank orders"

this wasn't the big frustration ... it was morefrustrating that we needed another 13 trys to kill the boss because of just stupid brainfucks the whole evening :<

Ouch. I do find it weird how SV Hunters are now using Frost Trap all the time on bosses for procs. Clunky design. But using it on that part of that fight, ugh.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Mannstein » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:16 am

bldavis wrote:the person with the most fucked up relationship(s) is the one everyone turns to for relationship advicee

i seriously need to stop being on fb at 2 am

Another thing is stop doble-posting... :P

Now in seriousness, don't take this that way, probably they see you as a stable person... The best advice i have been given were from people that have never followed it...
It's easier to be watching from the side line and give 5star advices... it's the ability to give yourself 5stars while in the game or follow your own advices that's the hard part...

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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby bldavis » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:52 am

Mannstein wrote:
bldavis wrote:the person with the most fucked up relationship(s) is the one everyone turns to for relationship advicee

i seriously need to stop being on fb at 2 am

Another thing is stop doble-posting... :P

Now in seriousness, don't take this that way, probably they see you as a stable person... The best advice i have been given were from people that have never followed it...
It's easier to be watching from the side line and give 5star advices... it's the ability to give yourself 5stars while in the game or follow your own advices that's the hard part...

Cheers

sorry about the double posts, sometimes it happens without my knowledge :(

the thing i dont get is most of these people knew mejust after my divorce and have been friends of mine through all the bullshit i have had thrown at me...so how am i stable, other than being older than.. :shock: is it really that simple?
they ask me cause i am an old fart compared to them? :?
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