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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:29 am

Bellanka wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:Vodka being jackasses?

ALso, how do you steal Galleon?


I haven't had a single positive experience with them.

Rockbiter taunt chain the boss to reset, then have your raid stack AoEs on the spawn point.

Pretty sure that's what happens on every server every time Galleon spawns. Blizzard just replies it's part of the game.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:31 am

That isn't part of the game -- that is intentional griefing.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby valura » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:40 am

Klaudandus wrote:That isn't part of the game -- that is intentional griefing.


Confirmed. Intentional disrupting normal gaming experiences to "steal" a mob from a player or group of players is considered a bannable offense. The only exclusing to this rule is killing a player during such an encounter on a PVP server.

Preventing one or more players of experiencing the game by deliberately kiting mobs into their AoE, or PvP-flagging oneself to get hit by a non-flagged player so he/she can be killed and the mob be stolen, etc... is an offense which can (and likely will) lead to a 4-72 hr ban.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Rhiannon » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:56 am

KysenMurrin wrote:
Bellanka wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:Vodka being jackasses?

ALso, how do you steal Galleon?


I haven't had a single positive experience with them.

Rockbiter taunt chain the boss to reset, then have your raid stack AoEs on the spawn point.

Pretty sure that's what happens on every server every time Galleon spawns. Blizzard just replies it's part of the game.


Using a taunt mechanic that bypasses a boss' taunt immunity isn't really defensible as being part of the game.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:35 am

I would say that every time you do galleon, launch your combatlog, it should record who is chain rockbiting taunting and submit the file to blizz in your ticket.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Treck » Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:02 am

The world bosses are a huge joke, and I dont mean that in difficulty, its not really suppose to be hard i guess.
But beeing able to share the tag, on huge pop servers, its just a spamm fest about getting invites and sharing the tag.
I guess it could work out as "intended" on some rare servers, i guess they sorta want pvp servers to compete for it.
Just make everyone get loot as long as you hit the boss like quest bosses, lots less annoying (I guess faction specific?).
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:14 am

Rhiannon wrote:Using a taunt mechanic that bypasses a boss' taunt immunity isn't really defensible as being part of the game.

Well that I didn't realise. Having never won the aoe spam fest to tag the boss I didn't know enough about it to realise it's meant to be immune.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Bellanka » Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:15 am

Don't forget this isn't just world bosses. It's also spamming trade, using mounts and AoEs, etc ... at the BMAH to keep other people from bidding. They've offered people gold to not bid, then not delivered. They've accepted RL money from people for loot/mount runs, not delivered, and told them "Too bad, we can't refund you, the money has already been spent" and then put those people on ignore.

Those are just the examples I've seen. I'm sure there's more, just as bad.

I don't mind competition on world bosses. As a 10-man guild my team would need to work that much harder for world bosses and I'm okay with that. I'd just like a fair shot, and for others to have the same fair shot. If another Horde guilds beats us to it? Great. Good for them. Maybe we can share. Maybe not. Alliance beats us to it? Maybe we can kill them and take it. Alliance kills us and takes it? Fair use of PVP server mechanics. Frustrating, sure ... but it's not a cheat and it's not griefing.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:21 am

Flagging and killing the other rAid is kosher, the chain taunt thing to reset the boss isnt
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Bellanka » Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:31 am

Klaudandus wrote:Flagging and killing the other rAid is kosher, the chain taunt thing to reset the boss isnt


That isn't kosher on a PVE server, but Alterac Mountains is PVP. killing the other faction is fair play here, and half the fun :P
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:11 am

The incoming BM nerf due to the fact that Blizz created a system where to "make it interesting" they gave us plenty-o-cooldowns to stack at once. Not sure what they'll do, but I don't have a lot of hope that they'll improve the gameplay. But, as usual, it will be a PVE nerf due to PVP QQ.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Flex » Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:16 am

They'll make it so you can't stack cooldowns, like they did with Warriors in Cataclysm.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby halabar » Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:20 am

Flex wrote:They'll make it so you can't stack cooldowns, like they did with Warriors in Cataclysm.


And if they don't do it well, the rotation of the cooldowns will be a mess.

That said, they did say something about not rushing a solution, so perhaps there is hope that they'll think about a correct solution. They also mentioned simplifying the MM rotation, which I can only think of a change to CA as a way to simplify it.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby JoeBravo » Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:27 am

Klaudandus wrote:3 healing it, is that the wrong strategy?


we tried that for a bit till we notided the dps requirement with that setup. continued with 2.
then we tried maxing the spirit realm buff: not worth it. spend as little time in there as possible, without getting swarmed with adds (we had one frost dk dotting everything up in there) and manage totems/voodoo dolls debuff so that the healers can alternate.
so, one (dotting) dps on spiritrealm adds, rest goes in as short as possible, amount of times based on dps cooldowns. line those up if possible, but don't go out of your way for it.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby djlar » Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:46 am

Why just they don't make Galleon spawn more frequently? 72 hours is a huge stretch, by then you have 3-4 40 mans there to kill it, maybe once every 3 hours should be fine.

These bosses supposed to be like the Archavon replacements, at least on Sha he's up every 20 mins or so, Galleon you could spend all day there and he will not spawn..
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Bellanka » Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:48 am

The big issue with Galleon is that he ALWAYS gives loot. There's no loot lockout like Sha. Making him give loot once a week like Sha would solve the problem.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:15 am

Bellanka wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:Flagging and killing the other rAid is kosher, the chain taunt thing to reset the boss isnt


That isn't kosher on a PVE server, but Alterac Mountains is PVP. killing the other faction is fair play here, and half the fun :P


Yeah, and i agreed... What i said isnt kosher is forcing galleon to reset...
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby djlar » Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:33 pm

Bellanka wrote:The big issue with Galleon is that he ALWAYS gives loot. There's no loot lockout like Sha. Making him give loot once a week like Sha would solve the problem.


How much loot does it gives? 8 pieces (1 per group I assume) so still 20% chance of getting anything? how about double tags?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Bellanka » Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:37 pm

Klaudandus wrote:
Bellanka wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:Flagging and killing the other rAid is kosher, the chain taunt thing to reset the boss isnt


That isn't kosher on a PVE server, but Alterac Mountains is PVP. killing the other faction is fair play here, and half the fun :P


Yeah, and i agreed... What i said isnt kosher is forcing galleon to reset...


Sorry, when you said Flagging the other raid is what threw me off. On a PVP server you're always flagged unless you're in a neutral area like a capital city.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:41 pm

and you're right -- we have had issues with flagged alliance guilds dropping in our sha kills and try to kill us/get us wiped -- sometimes they succeed. I don't like it much but it happens.

But the resetting of Galleon, regardless on whether you're on a pvp or pve server has no excuse, it's intentional griefing.

And since this is what they were originally talking about two pages ago or so, that's why I was putting more emphasis on the galleon reset, which I honestly did not know it was possible to begin with.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:49 pm

and I really really have no idea where AskMrRobot went wrong the last few days -- I can't seem to get the optimization working without it being completely derptastic, even with custom weights.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Treck » Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:48 pm

Same, seems to work now that they pushed a fix.
Reforged all my gear to spirit, and it still said it was fully optimized xD
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Amshel » Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:58 pm

My last rare for Glorious! is Urgolax and it makes me wanna cry.

but on the positive side I found a second rare treasure in an high traffic area - not nearly as awful as Urgolax's spawn point - earlier.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby masterpoobaa » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:43 pm

Arrrrgh.
Looks like the Headless Horseman is going to be another loot beotch like Coren was.

A dozen runs, and endless +spirit Witches Bands. Real useful for Prot/Ret. Yay me.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Fenrìr » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:02 pm

Nothing really drops from HH that is useful for prot tbh.




But anywho, logged in last night to get some dailies done, notice I got mail. Open it up and there's 4 of them from my GM. Basically...my guild has suddenly stopped raiding with no prior notice, no warning, nothing. So now, I have to find a new US guild that raids at a decent time for me while I'm stationed here in Spain.

/sigh...
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