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Postby Caelia » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:08 am

Elennira wrote:NEVER being allowed into SSC or TK unless we happen to be doing Tidewalker or Solarian...and even then, i only get to tank those two bosses...never anything else, im always just sat outside waiting for them...

secondly, the odd times i DO manage to get in on a TK raid, im stuck healing in A'lar and im not allowed to go first on the tank rotation on VR...

i mean seriously, WTF?! i've posted Tankadin 101 links, 'how to use a tankadin' articles...everything on my guild website...and yet im still not allowed to tank properly...

after holding VR for 97% my guild really started to appreciate me more, coinsidentaly i got my t5 shoulders, bracers off vr and ALD that night.
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Postby halabar » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:12 am

Rehlachs- wrote:some of the rogues in my raid are probably the worst rogues all over the world.
being outdamaged by me (tanking..) at kargath heroic or our beast masters' pets in mh might be worse enough, but they also lack any sense of movement and take every chance to die in a rain of fire or cleaves.

at least I get blamed for this rogue-dps thing.. "there is no sunder armor on the mobs tanked by the paladin! we can't dps there". yeah, that would explain your 700 dps, being fully buffed sitting in a group with all possible supportthingies (wf, drums, shout, feralcritstuff, and so on).

sometimes I get a slight feeling that our raid lead has to open recruitment for rogues again.


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Postby Kombo » Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:18 am

halabar wrote:Why bring a rogue?.... level engineering, seaforium charges and have a mage to sheep. No rogues required.


Sheep? you mention engineering there so i can assume you mean the low level explosive sheep...
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Postby Coristad » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:24 pm

After months of work, and proving the viability of the spec, I am now the victim of my own success. Tankadins are getting a dedicated raid slot, and the guild is recruiting another tankadin, even though my attendance isn't an issue.

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Postby Dinedan » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:13 pm

After months - literally - of looking for a raid that works around my suckjob schedule I find one. A month of main/offtanking later and I gquit to join their guild as it is going so well. Two weeks later they vote to change the raid times so now I cannot go.

GARRRRRR!!!!
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Postby Arcand » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:47 pm

I follow this tanking forum where it's currently in vogue to say "you missed the point" whenever someone disagrees with you.

It has this impossible-to-ignore whiff of "you must not have understood what I said, for none who grasped the import of my pronouncements could but be instantly converted", and I'm frustrated that I can't throw angry housecats in the faces of those who abuse it.

/endrant. Thanks, I feel better.
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Postby Sabindeus » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:48 pm

Arcand wrote:I follow this tanking forum where it's currently in vogue to say "you missed the point" whenever someone disagrees with you.

It has this impossible-to-ignore whiff of "you must not have understood what I said, for none who grasped the import of my pronouncements could but be instantly converted".


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Postby Jonlo » Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:53 pm

Arcand wrote:I follow this tanking forum where it's currently in vogue to say "you missed the point" whenever someone disagrees with you.

It has this impossible-to-ignore whiff of "you must not have understood what I said, for none who grasped the import of my pronouncements could but be instantly converted", and I'm frustrated that I can't throw angry housecats in the faces of those who abuse it.

/endrant. Thanks, I feel better.


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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Hankthetank » Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:16 pm

iliya wrote:I am a sad and angry panda at the same time, possibly doomed to be eternally stuck with the Crest of the Sha'tar.


Pfft, you call that frustrating? Try this one on for size.

The Ashes of Al'ar. A 310% speed mount, the fastest you can get in the game, and a very very unique look. Only drops from Kael, a boss that most guilds will kill less than a dozen times because he's such a pain. A large number of guilds (including mine) use a merit system to hand it out since, really, it's just a status symbol.

On Monday we were running low on tanks. My main char is a DPS warrior but I have a prot pally on the side. To humor me, they asked me to bring my pally along on a TK raid. (we're 4/5 MH 5/9 BT so it's old content to us) It was a nice run, I picked up the bracers off of VR and the ring from trash, so a couple really nice upgrades.

We get to Kael. I'm assigned to tank one of the advisers. Was a bit hectic (I was assigned to Thaladred even though I have no fear break) but we dropped Kael on the second try.

The ashes dropped, and my guild leader informed me that they wanted to give it to me for all the recruiting I've done, and setting up the DKP system, etc, but they didn't feel right giving it to an alt, so he had 2 other officers who do a lot of out-of-raid work for the guild roll on it.



Call it a hunch, but I think you're far more likely to see a shield upgrade than I am of seeing another Phoenix mount drop. :roll:
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Ajax » Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:35 pm

iliya wrote:Serving as a creative opposite thread for the successes, I say we let this thread be about your tankadin gripes/emos/tantrums and what not, to let it out. Allow me to start:

I've been part of over many a Nightbane kill, and not once has he dropped that blasted shield, but that's not the worst of it.

The other pally tank and the two Warrior tanks in my guild already have it or better.

Not long ago, a run I had to cancel for had the shield drop and the MT of that raid already had the Aldori Legacy Defender... not only could they not DE it, they VENDORED IT!

And, tonight, when we were supposed to hit Gruul's, but several of our DPS had to cancel, so, we went into two kara groups to see who could get the farthest the fastest.

And you guessed it, not only did it NOT drop for me, but it dropped for him again, and they gave it to a DPS warrior that will never spec protection!! ( granted, he will use it for OTing, but I'm still very frustrated.)

I am a sad and angry panda at the same time, possibly doomed to be eternally stuck with the Crest of the Sha'tar.



I knew (yes knew past tense) how you feel, 4 months as a tank, every time i didn't go gruul the shield dropped, every time I didn't go kara the shield dropped, same ZA 2 shammys 2 holy pallys a shadow and a holy priest and a feral druid (incase he goes balance) have the smegging mace from the 2nd boss, they always in the other group that went and never my group, it became a matter of laughter in the guild.

Until this week, me and feral druid in group, 1st ever run to get timed chest of first boss, no warrior and the shoulders drop !!! omg iam happy so smegging happy, 2nd boss drops nowt we do halazzi next no good drop then dragon hawk's turn, we wipe a few time's then bamm he goes down and lone behold the shield drop's and i'am dancing round my front room like a madman. Raid caps, instance resets that night.

The next day i give my slot up for a feral druid come back after a night out and get teased by mates, yup you guessed it the dam mace dropped, my mate a mage really takes the micky i am not happy, they capped with 4 boss's down, cue tonight the warrior who went can't go connection is playing up so i get kidnapped
Hex lord goes down only our 2nd ever hex lord kill, raid moves onto Jin wipe after wipe after wipe after wipe, mage mate leaves as getting late and we already an hour past cap time, replacement is a rogue, after a few more wipe guild gets 1st ever Jin kill and lone behold the smegging sword has dropped the only other person who could of used it has left so i get it no questions asked.

So tonight i am one very happy paladin and bonus points for being able to tease my mate the mage back in the morning as he been telling me since the instance came out how much he wanted that sword.

Sorry for the wall of text but had to post it too show you there is light at the end of the tunnel you just got to wait it out sometimes.
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Postby Aurica » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:24 am

I know we are specialized for aoe tanking and I kinda accept that but..

Being assigned to tank two mobs that are the furthest from each other in a pack of 5, and being told I cannot use AS/RD to pull as I may pull to much to me....

Being given the wrong position to tank the hunter add in Fathom Lord Karathress fight, 5 people telling me to stand at different places and scolding me for it when I don't stand at the place the other 4 are telling me to even if we didn't wipe.

Being ignored and getting scolded when I cannot answer people on vent in time.

Getting scolded for putting consecration on the Murloc adds before the mage ice Novas them in a pack during Tidewalker encounter. After I followed their instructions, I get scolded AGAIN for not consecrating the murlocs before the mages Ice Nova.

Getting yelled at repeatedly like a 12 year old on vent during fights as if we do not know what to do. When we been there for the 4th time and is already doing what we are suppose to be doing.

Getting passed over the chance to Main-tank when the warrior MT is offline.
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Postby Lakirby » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:06 am

Moved guild last night, now half the people I considered friends on my server are not speaking to me. :(
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Postby Warrender » Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:54 am

There is an albatross around my neck. :(

Was never able to score a Maiden neck when we ran Kharazan and a total of zero FLK necks dropped the entire time we spent learning to clear SSC and TK. I really should suck it up and run Altazhan on our off-days but would rather level an alt or do anything else. So here I am stuck with this blue tanking neck from CE rep.

Doesn't Illidan have a nice neck reward for killing him? :(
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Postby Ilara » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:30 am

My now ex guild Was a mess.

Joined 4 months ago, progress was solid, learning HKM fight, my entry saw thier best attempts into it yet and my ranged taunt saved us many a time. Wipes were still galore in a learning phase curve then. I myself was still actually crushable and pre-kara geared

Over the 4 months we progressed to TK, and ssc, nearly downing first bosses. Eventually I geared myself up in kara/2.3 when that came out.
Frustration grows with 15-20 of the raiders in friggin pvp spec/gear/not taking advantage of 2.3/whining about kara lewt.

Our offtank left a week ago. being third tank, I anticipated to move up to be secondary. looked forward to actually being able to participate.

Two nights ago, HKM time. Brand new warrior recruit selected by raid leading main tank to be secondary. I outgeared him by far. hell I am equal gear, if not better, to the main tank in question, and I'M the one put on the bench? why bother taking me at all - STILL?

5 wipes on maulgar. respawns up. MT/RL says for ppl who need, go repair. others were to wait.

I grabbed my two healer friends and remaining dps, clear the spawns myself.
Scolded for going without permission. (heaven forbid we save time after two hours of complete morons messing up the pulls...)
another wipe before finally beating him.
argument breaks out about specs and gears.
Abused by a priest in pre kara gear. apparently my strong drive to progress and getting all the 2.3 loot and suggesting maybe the other "raiders" should do the same makes me an idiot and a noob. MT also mutters a comment to similar effect.



Ray of hope time.
my mage buddy suddenly sends out of the blue.
Avakor Whispers: "maan, could really use a pally tank in SSC..."

To Avakor: "Want one? I'm suddenly guildless and awaiting new opportunity."

/gquit


I'm now happily looking forward to serving my new guild as opposed to being the raid pet.
Least the old one served to gear me up...


EDIT: oh and epic idea. frustrations venting thread ftw... I needed that... i feel better now...
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Postby Kivas » Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:33 am

running shattered halls 2-3 times a day 4 days a week. Running w/ pugs, alts of alts of guildies, pretty much anyone i can find. ( 3 hunters and 68 resto shaman last night) and i have yet to see the trinket i need drop. THis is getting beyond annoying now, i think after looting kargath last night for the 3rd time after our Tk raid i almost started to cry :cry:
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Postby Dragonzbane » Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:57 am

Lately I've been running into 2 groups of people I just don't understand.

Certain people continually fail to comprehend how things are different outside of their own tiny little world. They cannot for the life of themselves get past the fact that people may no longer have the same issues as they do at different levels than they are. In the grand scheme, these people either cannot think outside the box or cannot see the big picture.


There are also a select few that continually derail threads by consistantly nitpicking a seemingly insignificant or minor details. There are a group of people who seem to argue for they sake of seeing themselves in pixels on a webpage.

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Postby Dragonzbane » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:09 pm

Sabindeus wrote:
Arcand wrote:I follow this tanking forum where it's currently in vogue to say "you missed the point" whenever someone disagrees with you.

It has this impossible-to-ignore whiff of "you must not have understood what I said, for none who grasped the import of my pronouncements could but be instantly converted".


qft


QFT

And on the opposite end I can't stand when you specifically put a point out there in bright glowing Neon lights that would put Vegas to shame and some people still don't get it.

It sometimes goes so far as to actually say "this is the point" and it still eludes those people.
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Postby jere » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:15 pm

One of the things that has bothered me recently is the seemingly incline of what could become elitism if we are not careful. In various forums and threads I have seen comments about "that's not end game" or "it's not T6" or even "you aren't at this level so you wouldn't understand" kind of things. It seems funny to watch as in most cases the topics discussed are a lot more global than people think, but for some reason, they try to use the 'endgame' card as the basis for their argument anyways, even though it either isn't really applicable or if it is, the point it supports doesn't even relate back to the topic at hand fully. Maybe they use the endgame card to make others look less credible, or perhaps they can't see past their own T6 world anymore, or perhaps there is some other reason. It just feels like we are not only starting to forget where we came from, but we are sometimes pushing back those trying to get where we are and making them "inferior". It is similar to what a lot of warriors did soon after TBC came out. The whole "you beat kara? kara is so last month" kind of mentality. Having gone through that period and having those type of things happen, it is frustrating to see some established tankadins doing that to others just to prove a point or for whatever reason.

This kinda mirrors what Dragonzbane was saying and it is frustrating as some people don't seem to look outside their own box anymore as they progress, though it approaches it from the otherside. Obviously this doesn't apply to everyone, but it definitely seems to be more prevailant, whether it is truly intended or not.

And Arcand, you totally missed the point, gawd!! :lol: /joke
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Postby Arcand » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:55 pm

Dragonzbane wrote:It sometimes goes so far as to actually say "this is the point" and it still eludes those people.


Or does it? Just because one says A and people don't react like one's struck a mighty blow for truth and reason, doesn't mean it went over their heads.

It could mean they didn't understand it because they're dense,

or they didn't understand it because it was poorly explained,

or they don't embrace the idea because they disagree with its premises,

or the don't embrace the idea because the two of you haven't agreed on the context,

or the idea doesn't interest them and they start talking about something else.

This is precisely the thing that worries me, the assumption that there's something wrong with our audience (never our idea or our assumptions or the way we're expressing the idea) when they don't agree with us. It's all over the internet and it's an attitude unworthy of courteous, educated people.
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Postby Aalryn » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:58 pm

Arcand wrote:This is precisely the thing that worries me, the assumption that there's something wrong with our audience (never our idea or our assumptions or the way we're expressing the idea) when they don't agree with us. It's all over the internet and it's an attitude unworthy of courteous, educated people.


I know that you have your own opinion and you are entitled to them... but wouldn't you rather be right?
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Postby Garov » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:21 pm

Spending more time on this site and others than actual in-game time, researching everything I can and putting that knowledge into action, to be treated like the gimmick tank by my guild and friends of over a decade.

If there was a movie with actors the scene would go something like this:
The raid slowly approaches the hallway. Strange skittering Murlocs grbrawlrlrlrlrl as they run around in packs of half a dozen. The bear leading the raid turns to look over his shoulder," Hey Garov, we have half a dozen weird little runny things. Get up here and distract em for a minute." The crowd parts as Garov walks towards the hallway. His head hangs low in shame, yet a tiny smile can be seen peeking through. He gets to use his shield, finally.


That's what it feels like every single time. Despite overgearing one of the other warriors by hp and armor and despite being within 300 hp's of the other warrior I never tank a damn boss outside of a 10 man, ever. It's freaking annoying the hell out of me. I don't have a huge grudge that the druid in our guild tanks mostly everything because he has 3k more hp. That's fine and I can get that. But dammit throw me a bone! What makes it more frustrating is I took the newest warrior tank to join our guild under my wing, tanked heroics and Kara and basically watched the plate gear fall and go to him. Now he's the raid leader for 25 mans and totally forgets I can even tank.
The one warrior tank I have a damn good synergy with (we run 10 mans together exclusively) is thinking of speccing out of prot to give me a better shot at tanking more than just "zomg we have a million adds, get over here" encounters.
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Postby Dragonzbane » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:33 pm

Arcand wrote:
Dragonzbane wrote:It sometimes goes so far as to actually say "this is the point" and it still eludes those people.


Or does it? Just because one says A and people don't react like one's struck a mighty blow for truth and reason, doesn't mean it went over their heads.

It could mean they didn't understand it because they're dense,

or they didn't understand it because it was poorly explained,

or they don't embrace the idea because they disagree with its premises,

or the don't embrace the idea because the two of you haven't agreed on the context,

or the idea doesn't interest them and they start talking about something else.

This is precisely the thing that worries me, the assumption that there's something wrong with our audience (never our idea or our assumptions or the way we're expressing the idea) when they don't agree with us. It's all over the internet and it's an attitude unworthy of courteous, educated people.


I would think that courteous, educated people would acknowledge the point and then go on to state one of the bullet points you laid out above.

Of course in the situations I'm talking about said people ignored or did not see the point and continued out of context.
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Postby Dragonzbane » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:55 pm

jere wrote:One of the things that has bothered me recently is the seemingly incline of what could become elitism if we are not careful. In various forums and threads I have seen comments about "that's not end game" or "it's not T6" or even "you aren't at this level so you wouldn't understand" kind of things. It seems funny to watch as in most cases the topics discussed are a lot more global than people think, but for some reason, they try to use the 'endgame' card as the basis for their argument anyways, even though it either isn't really applicable or if it is, the point it supports doesn't even relate back to the topic at hand fully. Maybe they use the endgame card to make others look less credible, or perhaps they can't see past their own T6 world anymore, or perhaps there is some other reason. It just feels like we are not only starting to forget where we came from, but we are sometimes pushing back those trying to get where we are and making them "inferior". It is similar to what a lot of warriors did soon after TBC came out. The whole "you beat kara? kara is so last month" kind of mentality. Having gone through that period and having those type of things happen, it is frustrating to see some established tankadins doing that to others just to prove a point or for whatever reason.



I've seen some of this myself from some people who are "end game".
Some of it is a load of bull as you said. Those "well..you're healers suck" or "your DPS is trash" kinda posts should be left to the Blizzard forums.

Some of it is realistic concern, though.
We all have to recognize that at different levels of content there are different issues to overcome. It's like this "end game threat" issue that's cropped up. I see this as a major concern if it bears out.


Ex:
At the point where someone in full T6 comes out and says I'm in full threat gear and my TPS is low compare to equally geared warrior X on fight Z and someone replies "no way our threat is way better than warriors because I do 300 more TPS against Prince", well...

Sure it's that's an exaggeration but...
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Postby Dragonzbane » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:57 pm

Right now, we have to start looking to 2.4 and WotLK to see if the issues that we still have are being address by Blizzard. We've gone almost a whole expansion with similar issues since day 1. Sure somethings have gotten better, gear has been improving, mechanics have been adjusted and these are all good things.

But if all they do next Expansion is fix the problems we have in this expansion, without improving the class above and beyond that, then I think there's a major issue here.

Maybe this is too lofty a goal but I'm not really going to be happy until there's a Paladin out there somewhere competing for a world first as an MT.

Hopefully that will be because of improvement to the Paladin class not some gimmick encounter Blizz throws in to make us happy.
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Postby Melathys » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:02 am

guess I'll post in this one, lol.

Halazzi tonight. raid leader puts the warrior main tanking (he has 17k buffed) I have 20k buffed....okkaaayy, I play along. I play along for the next 4 wipes. Several raid members ask for the paladin to tank, as they see that I'm, well, better geared for it.

Here's the good part. The raid leader, a druid, puts on his tanking gear and says he's going to main tank. It gets even better, saying that he wants a cleave soak (or wtfever it is) with him..oh, lets put the warrior in there again with 3-4k less health. Leaving me to put on healing gear.

I guess it makes too much sense to put the best geared tank in a main tanking role.


I suppose I should be grateful that at least the leaders put some effort to learn paladin mechanics. They realize that we front load threat better than other tanks, so I got to be first rotation on Void Reaver.

By this point, I'm rather frustrated by this guild not letting me MT, so I decide I'm going to try to show them a thing or two. First couple of fights (this was a learning experience for most of the guild, myself included) I was in my standard boss tanking gear (high health, balanced avoidance). I last to about 50% before dropping threat lead, which is what's expected I suppose. 2nd try, same thing.

3rd try. I decide to make a new gear set on the fly. Maximum threat from gear I had on me. I bumped spell dmg from 300 to 500. Third try, I tanked void reaver start to finish.

But that wasn't impressive enough, I'm still not main tanking anything, lol.
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