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Vindication and PVE

Postby Mavrix » Sun May 20, 2007 9:43 am

Posted on the wow (us) paladin boards.
See what you think of the ideas.
Seems to me that if Vindication actually worked on mobs it would help us out quite a lot for tanking from a mitigation as well as threat point of view (lower str on mobs = less hard hitting, lower agility on mobs = less critting by them and less dodging by them).

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... 08&sid=1#0
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heh

Postby Mavrix » Sun May 20, 2007 9:59 am

Rather than wait for the impending flame comment about how "as a tank, you shouldn't be getting crit anyway", what I mean is with regard to our melee colleagues who get cleaved or otherwise struck by mobs we tank or by the person who steals aggro despite our best efforts - not crits done to the tank (any tank who can be crit isn't gearing themselves appropriately).
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Postby Dorvan » Sun May 20, 2007 11:53 am

The numbers I've seen indicate it's a pretty good damage reduction against the mobs is works on:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... 49&sid=1#0

Thus I'd be all in favor of having it work on more, I can't see any justification for having mobs that are immune to vindication but not thunderclap or demoralizing shout, it should be all or none in my opinion.
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Postby DurWrathi » Sun May 20, 2007 2:00 pm

I have it and like it, but odds are it will be cut from my build in favor of Improved Holy Shield soon. It is good mitigation, but without use against bosses it is simply not worth the point investment next patch.
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yeah

Postby Mavrix » Mon May 21, 2007 7:47 am

I have it in my current build, but will be eliminating it in favor of things that actually function on bosses until such time as Blizzard corrects the apparent mis-nerf. It really is a shame that pally tanks do not get any form of debuff to put on mobs. Judgements don't really count as such, imho. Unless they gave us a Judgement of Weakness or Judgement of Vindication or something.
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hey

Postby Mavrix » Mon May 21, 2007 8:15 am

If you guys get a chance and have anything at all you can think of to write in that thread to keep it alive, please do. I'd like for it to be read by the folks at Blue land to see if it might be something we could get action on.
That is, if you support the cause, post something that doesn't just say "bump".
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Postby Blutreich » Mon May 21, 2007 12:05 pm

<bumped>

edit by Dorvan -- please don't bump threads here without adding anything, there aren't any blues to read the bumped post here. If you think a thread deserves a sticky feel free to let us know, but stickies will generally be reserved for "guide" type threads rather than passing issues.

Edit by Blutreich - bumped, as in verb, as in on the wow forums.
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Postby Mavrix » Mon May 21, 2007 2:22 pm

For clarification: I was asking for people to make comments (do not say "bump") on the wow pally forum thread I posted, not here.
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Postby Fridmarr » Mon May 21, 2007 2:53 pm

I don't have anything useful to add, I believe theras had a good post on the wow forums about it, but I can't find it. Anyhow, it's a great ability for mitigation, but....doesn't work on most stuff. Perhaps heroic bosses aren't immune?
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Postby Mavrix » Mon May 21, 2007 9:15 pm

I'm 99% sure heroic bosses and many elites in heroics are immune. Outside of 5 man dungeons it's been so useless to me though, to be honest I stopped watching for it on the mob debuff list and I'm not even sure I'll miss it after tomorrow's respec.
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