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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Shoju » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:18 am

Klaudandus wrote:So, basically this?
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Just replace "someone is wrong" with

"I do not understand something on the internet"

And yeah. It was something like that. My non gamer wife still struggles to grasp why it was important to me to have an opinion.



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Now that I have read Theck's Posts, MY GOD MAN. You are spot on. Bravo.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Sagara » Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:18 pm

theckhd wrote:Addendum 3: I hope none of that is taken too personally, Sagara. I can get rather heated about this topic because it gets me angry, but I don't have any particular hatred or dislike towards you. I do, however, hope you see my point - that if you sit down and think about this critically, GG isn't a noble cause at heart, and isn't a productive way to encourage gaming journalism to be more ethical. Even if you personally believe in ethics in game journalism, you don't represent the majority of GGers, and certainly don't represent what the movement is seen to be about by anyone outside the movement.


And there I was, after a nice everning playing with my wife, thinking, "hey, maybe I've been unfait to theck. He's usualy more calm, maybe I just pushed a button and we'll laugh over it when we talk a bit more."
And I come back to THIS.

Seeing the reaction, I'll cut down to the essentials, as it's fairly clear nobody in interested in discussion as much as it seemed. I'll even take the time to read most of it a couple times and re-think my position (without promises), which I consider a favor I do to you due the respect I hold for all three of you. Special thanks to Shoju to identify Mike Cernovich. I read some more and the guy is slime. I'll avoid that fucker like the plague going forward.

My parting words will be as follows: What I've seen in two months of GG is quite so drastically different that it feels like we're talking about two different groups. My experience has been a little more like those people - the good:

The best one I've seen - always calm, doesn't want to take leadership to avoid hurting others, actually organized a #Gamergate Harrasment patrol on Twitter (look it up) that reports doxxers and harrasers (I remember them taking down multiple accounts by a Brazilian journalist out for Sarkeesian.

Another of the great ones and another one. Just a few of those I respect.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm completely aware that not all is good and roses in GG, and it's fairly obvious are in it to stir the shit up or settle scores. I'm looking at:

Self-promoter; Tailcoat rider; More interested in anti-SJW than the journalists. And trust me, I'm keeping even worse out of my mind for my own mental health.

What I'm trying to get at, is that Gamergate is much more complex than insinuated by your articles by a) a satirical website owned by the Onion, b) a property of Gawker, GG's current top target. Regardless of whether the ethics is a smokecreen for bad deeds or a core that has been tainted by bad deeds, there are many a voice inside Gamergate that would like little more than to fight harrassers and doxxers, and really focus the fight on ethics. And you'd be surprised to find many a GGers that don't care much about Zoe, Anita, or Brianna, so long as they don't try to actually censor games. I'd actually argue for something between a large minority and a small majority, but have little than personal experience to back it up.

The first problem, then, is to identify those people and push them in the right direction, either bringing the heat to harrassers/doxxers or getting away from GG. And the second problem is to manage to convince them, which actually might be the biggest problem, considering the bile and hatred that me mentionning supporting GG brought me.

And an aside, theck, sorry about that, but I REALLY took it personally. You're basically accusing me of being either stupid or a liar, without even trying to open a conversation to maybe try and understand my positions and views. I held immense respect for both your intellect and level-headedness, but I'm disappointed in what I'm seeing. For what it's worth, I apologize for accusing you. I still think your comment on the KKK was misplaced, but I believe it was made in good faith.

Now if you don't mind, I'd suggest we all have our parting thoughts and leave this pathetic story at that.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:46 pm

No one. Has tried. To censor. Games.


This is how I saw gamergate progressing: I first saw about the Zoe Quinn thing on twitter, and the harrassment that followed. Soon after that came the coining of the #gamergate hashtag (by Adam Baldwin, already a well known twitter nutjob, who inexplicably decided to take up the cause despite being a non-gamer), still associated with the efforts against Quinn, and expanding into anyone that supported her and to outlets that (correctly) chose not to take it seriously and report on it. At this point it was becoming largely concerned with removing any kind of feminist viewpoints from discussion of games. Only after that did the "ethics in journalism" start popping up, but by then it was too late.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby theckhd » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:09 pm

Sagara wrote:And an aside, theck, sorry about that, but I REALLY took it personally. You're basically accusing me of being either stupid or a liar, without even trying to open a conversation to maybe try and understand my positions and views. I held immense respect for both your intellect and level-headedness, but I'm disappointed in what I'm seeing.


You're right, I basically am. Note that in all of what you posted, you did not address any of my critical assessments of GG.

I'm happy to have a conversation about it, based on facts. When you start presenting facts - like for example, where this mythical "censorship in games" is coming from, or what ethics violations Gawker in particular (a site that's little more than a gossip rag, at that!) has demonstrated to make it a target in the first place - rather than sidestepping questions, then maybe there will be something to talk about.

edit: I take that back, stupid and liar aren't really the only two options there, and I don't really think you're either. It's really more likely that you're just uninformed about how GG started, what "censorship" is actually occurring, and what's really been going on under the GG tag. So I'm more accusing you of joining a movement without actually realizing what it stands for.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Worldie » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:58 pm

Do I need to make its own discussion for that GG thing, or you guys are done with it?
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nooska » Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:47 am

Worldie wrote:Do I need to make its own discussion for that GG thing, or you guys are done with it?

If it continues, please do.

The discussion is a bit disturbing to follow for someone on the sidelines (speaking for myself, but likely/maybe/possibly others) - its a bit like sitting at the dinner table and your parents are having a row.


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I'm on the sidelines (I of course have opinions etc, but I know I know too little of the 'causes' to have an informed opinion, and staying out of it), but I DO think you are being uncharacteristically harsh on Sag (both the analogy with the KKK, and the reduction to possible types of person on the proGG side; the firts being bordeline ad hominem, and the latter purely namecalling), not being invested in the things myself, I can understand that this is clearly a hot button issue for you (it pretty obvious, since you say so yourself), and I am writing it up to that, that you fall so low on the disagreement hierarchy in some of the posts.
I honestly feel that you do owe sag an apology for, at the least, the name-calling by proxy.

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GamerGate stuff

Postby Worldie » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:38 am

Split successful, please be wary of the tones you use in the discussion, remind we do not accept ad hominem attacks.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby degre » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:59 am

Sagara wrote:And an aside, theck, sorry about that, but I REALLY took it personally. You're basically accusing me of being either stupid or a liar, without even trying to open a conversation to maybe try and understand my positions and views. I held immense respect for both your intellect and level-headedness, but I'm disappointed in what I'm seeing. For what it's worth, I apologize for accusing you. I still think your comment on the KKK was misplaced, but I believe it was made in good faith.

Nope, he's exact words were:
theckhd wrote:In other words, you pretty much have to be stupid or uninformed to think that GG actually stands for anything resembling ethics. And I'd prefer to think that people I like are just woefully uninformed, not willful ignorant/stupid.

He didn't say you're stupid or a liar, he's just said that you're either stupid or uninformed.

To be fair, I haven't really seen you present any info other than "I'm right because I like them and support them", anything else would be much appreciated as, personally, I don't know GG and some context could be used, but YOU need to provide it, because so far all I've seen is a site that's randomly harassing people.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby theckhd » Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:28 am

Nooska wrote:I'm on the sidelines (I of course have opinions etc, but I know I know too little of the 'causes' to have an informed opinion, and staying out of it), but I DO think you are being uncharacteristically harsh on Sag (both the analogy with the KKK, and the reduction to possible types of person on the proGG side; the firts being bordeline ad hominem, and the latter purely namecalling), not being invested in the things myself, I can understand that this is clearly a hot button issue for you (it pretty obvious, since you say so yourself), and I am writing it up to that, that you fall so low on the disagreement hierarchy in some of the posts.
I honestly feel that you do owe sag an apology for, at the least, the name-calling by proxy.


I don't think I need to apologize for an analogy, especially one as apt as this. If I had called the GG people "as bad as the KKK" or something equally ridiculous, then sure. But that's not what I said.

It's no different than saying "plucking petals off of a rose is like tearing off someone's arm." No reasonable person would take that to mean that I was saying the petals are literally arms. It means exactly what it says - that the act of removing petals from a rose is similar to the act of pulling limbs off of a person.

If you can explain to me why, exactly, my analogy is inaccurate, I might change my mind. But I don't think it is. You have a group of people spewing hate and committing atrocities (Death/Bomb threats by people claiming to be part of GG, a vast swath of atrocities by members of the KKK), and another group of people trying to use the same association to promote a "noble" agenda (Sag & others, and the fictional constitution group).

That's not the same at all as calling GG'ers racists, murderers, or any of the other things the KKK is. Are you saying it is?

I also don't think reducing the type of person on the pro-GG side to "stupid or misinformed" is invalid. That's not an ad hominem attack. Ad hominem would mean I say his argument is invalid because he is stupid, which again, isn't what I said. I pointed out the logical flaws in the arguments presented - rather clearly I might add - and said that someone who still believes those arguments work despite the flaws has to be stupid or uninformed. Again, the difference is subtle perhaps, but there.

That said, I will apologize to Sag for the implication that he's stupid, which he very clearly is not. I still believe he is uninformed/misinformed, and making logical mistakes based on that misinformation, but that's not an inherent character flaw. I'll agree to tone down the rhetoric in the future, but I do hope that he thinks critically about what the movement is trying to accomplish, what it is actually accomplishing, and what methods it's using to try to reach those goals. It doesn't add up, and it saddens me to see otherwise smart people being duped into being patsies for a despicable movement.
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Re: GamerGate stuff

Postby theckhd » Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:50 am

One of my old college friends (male) made a great, succinct statement about the response to Felicia Day's recent tumbler post. This is exactly how I feel about this movement.

I don't care what anyone has to say about this Gamergate horseshit. If someone makes a statement about how your movement makes others feel scared and vulnerable and alienated, and the response of those on your side is to reveal that person's home address and personal details while threatening them (apparently the case when Felicia posted this), *find a new cause*. If the worst thing your allies can think of to say about your opponents in the abstract is that they fight for social justice, you should consider a little more closely what, exactly, you're standing for. And if you think the ability of games to entertain you will be *destroyed* by a handful of women trying to tone down the sexism and misogyny in those games, consider what the things you apparently enjoy indicate about you.


Hiding behind the "they're not real GamerGaters" argument doesn't cut it. You don't get to dictate that, just as they don't get to dictate that you're not "real" GamerGaters. History will not look fondly on this movement, because it will be judged by the group's actions as a whole. And so far, the actions of even the moderates who think this is just about "ethics in journalims" don't stand up to scrutiny.

Organized boycotting of sites that post opinion/analysis pieces about sexism in gaming isn't supporting ethics in journalism, it's silencing people who you don't happen to agree with.

Starting campaigns to encourage advertisers to pull support from companies over invented (and demonstrably false) claims of "unethical behavior" is not pursuing ethics in journalism. It's little more than bullying.

Harassing people on twitter because they dare to post "radical" feminist ideals that show up in any 100-level cultural analysis class is not pursuing ethics in journalism.

You want ethics in journalism? You should be supporting FemFreq, who is an ethical journalist and an academic. You should be encouraging open discussion about what is acceptable and "ethical" journalism, and how that relates to video games. You should be writing your own opinion pieces explaining what you do want, and engaging in polite and civil discussion with people that disagree with you to come to a consensus.

And most of all, you should be finding a new goddamn hashtag rather than standing next to people who are using that hashtag to coordinate and organize campaigns of hatred, harassment, and violence against people that oppose them.
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Re: GamerGate stuff

Postby theckhd » Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:22 pm

Also, here's a great critical (and social/societal) analysis of the GamerGate phenomena. It does a good job of explaining why it's not fair to claim you're unfairly being deemed "guilty by association." Even if it's the minority carrying out these acts, it creates an environment of fear that everyone using the GG hashtag ends up "benefiting" from as a form of protection.

http://chezapocalypse.com/episodes/s4e7-gamergate/

In other words, it doesn't matter if you're a moderate. Just by using that tag, you have instantly chilled or silenced a large number of people who might otherwise speak out in opposition just because they're afraid. Because they have no way to tell whether you're a sensible, moderate person or one of the lunatic whack-jobs that will doxx them and publish their personal information online.

It also addresses the logical fallacies in the #NotYourShield hashtag, and the origins of GG itself as a harassment campaign.
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Re: GamerGate stuff

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:37 pm

(edit)NVM, I can't care enough to even know the answer(/edit)


In the end, I just want us to get over this and just hug it out. Still feel like I'm Ben Grimm watching Cap and Tony Stark beating each other up and it frankly upsets me. =/
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Re: GamerGate stuff

Postby Fetzie » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:35 pm

theckhd wrote:and the origins of GG itself as a harassment campaign.


I thought the origin of GG was that some game dev slept with some hack to get a better review of their game published, and then one half of the internet said she was a slag for doing it and the other half said he was misogynist for thinking that was how to get a good review? As if bribery was something that didn't pre-date the written language.
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Re: GamerGate stuff

Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:51 pm

That's demonstrably false. The person she was accused of sleeping with for reviews has never reviewed her work. This has been known since the accusations first appeared.

The actual story is that she slept with someone else during their relationship, and he made it public afterward to shame her. That is an unethical act. I read the post that started it all then felt awful afterward, because all that accomplished was making myself part of a violation of her privacy. I don't even like talking about it right now like this, because it's none of my business.
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Re: GamerGate stuff

Postby xstratax » Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:58 pm

There is a string of articles on Ars Technica detailing the shady origins of #GG and #Notyourshield (tldr: It was created by the same 4chan people that started the hate on ZQ)

I have issues with most movements, I believe thoroughly in equality for all, but I think that too many a "feminist" arent at all for equality, but for female superiority, but I dont hold that against women or feminists as a whole. That said I will NEVER identify with GG, it is a despicable movement veiled under a noble idea, that has confused far too many innocent people.

And Thck, I found your analogy quite apt and well thought out, I dont understand how there is confusion as to its meaning.
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Re: Post your Frustrations.

Postby Nooska » Sun Oct 26, 2014 2:21 am

theckhd wrote:That said, I will apologize to Sag for the implication that he's stupid, which he very clearly is not.


This is the part that I felt you owed an apology for, which, I'm glad to see you agree with :).

As for the analogy, I don't think its apt, but thats neither here nor there, as I don't think I want to involve myself in either side, its too much of a morass at this point to even try to figure out where I stand in comparison to a side (without relying purely on the position and information of others, which I think has been established as a problematic issue at this point).

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Re: GamerGate stuff

Postby Koatanga » Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:34 am

I get that people like to put on their anonymity cloak and be douchebags to eachother in games, but this real-life trolling has to stop. Doxxing, threats of rape, bullying - this kind of thing does not go unchecked.

Any legislation, restriction, or policies that come out of this that abridge people's rights on the internet is THEIR FAULT. By abusing social media to be douchebags to real people in real life, they are asking to have their freedoms taken away, and they're going to whine their immature little asses off when it happens. Not if, but when. There are people lining up to censor the internet, and Gamergate is giving them every reason why they should. Just wait for the first high-profile person to be sexually attacked because their information was "outed" by GamerGate, and we'll be looking at the internet equivalent of 9/11. Resistance to net neutrality and anonymity will crumble as people trade rights for safety.
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Re: GamerGate stuff

Postby theckhd » Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:36 am

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theckhd wrote:and the origins of GG itself as a harassment campaign.


I thought the origin of GG was that some game dev slept with some hack to get a better review of their game published, and then one half of the internet said she was a slag for doing it and the other half said he was misogynist for thinking that was how to get a good review? As if bribery was something that didn't pre-date the written language.


As Kysen mentioned, this is demonstrably false. A quick search will show that the person in question has never reviewed one of ZQ's games. It was a rumor started by an angry ex-boyfriend to slander her in public. The fact that this rumor has been repeated again and again is a pretty clear example of the use of misinformation designed to try and legitimize the movement in the eyes of otherwise-logical people.
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Re: GamerGate stuff

Postby Fetzie » Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:51 am

theckhd wrote:
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theckhd wrote:and the origins of GG itself as a harassment campaign.


I thought the origin of GG was that some game dev slept with some hack to get a better review of their game published, and then one half of the internet said she was a slag for doing it and the other half said he was misogynist for thinking that was how to get a good review? As if bribery was something that didn't pre-date the written language.


As Kysen mentioned, this is demonstrably false. A quick search will show that the person in question has never reviewed one of ZQ's games. It was a rumor started by an angry ex-boyfriend to slander her in public. The fact that this rumor has been repeated again and again is a pretty clear example of the use of misinformation designed to try and legitimize the movement in the eyes of otherwise-logical people.


In that case I apologize for my lack of knowledge.
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Re: GamerGate stuff

Postby Worldie » Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:13 pm

Can someone make me a TLDR of this whole shit in pm to me? I'm trying to follow but I just get utterly confused.
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Re: GamerGate stuff

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:18 pm

Please don't.

You're better off not knowing.
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Re: GamerGate stuff

Postby Worldie » Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:02 am

But I want to know why you guys hate each other so much :(
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Re: GamerGate stuff

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:24 am

If you want to know what it all is, the wikipedia page isn't bad. (Of course it's entirely possible someone will come along and change the page, but the fact that it currently reflects consensus reality and not GG conspiracy theories suggests it's being babysat by people who are interested in preserving it in this form.)
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Re: GamerGate stuff

Postby Worldie » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:37 am

Yes but I asked for a TLDR version not for an even longer one :D

All I understand is that people on the internets have behaved as they usually do and other people are making a chaos about it.
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Re: GamerGate stuff

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:24 am

The short version:

A bunch of people started harrassing and threatening people because they dislike criticism of games that disagrees with their personal politics. Some smaller group of people saw this harrassment and thought "well, they must have done something wrong to provoke this reaction", and closely aligned themselves with the people doing the harrassment, while not actually engaging in harrassment themselves.

Anyone who criticises the harrassment is attacked by the former group because that's what they do, and is also attacked by the latter group because they see talking about the harrassment as a distraction from the reasons for the harrassment (which are generally unclear and/or misguided).

But still, boiling it down into a short piece doesn't really give enough to understand.
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