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Re: Warlords of Draenor

Postby Worldie » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:16 pm

Disagree.

Can't wait until a lot of people spend thousand €/$ to level their chars, so Blizzard has more money to fuel the content I enjoy.
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Re: Warlords of Draenor

Postby Sagara » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:36 pm

Worldie wrote:Disagree.

Can't wait until a lot of people spend thousand €/$ to level their chars, so Blizzard has more money to fuel the content I enjoy.


I like the way you think.
Besides, for us old geezers another 90 is what? A dozen hours?
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Re: Warlords of Draenor

Postby bldavis » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:02 pm

Sagara wrote:Besides, for us old geezers another 90 is what? A dozen hours?

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Re: Warlords of Draenor

Postby Archeth » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:40 pm

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Worldie wrote:60 $ for a lvl boost is FAR too much, chineses ask for less and I'd still rather do the leveling myself :|


Too cheap in my opinion. I'd rather it be a thousand dollars so people would shun away from the feature.

What's the problem with that feature?
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Re: Warlords of Draenor

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:42 pm

"OMG, noobs who don't know how to play are in my [insert end game thing here]!"

It'd almost be like how things currently are... except more money going to blizz...
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Re: Warlords of Draenor

Postby Teranoid » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:57 pm

Era wrote:
Worldie wrote:60 $ for a lvl boost is FAR too much, chineses ask for less and I'd still rather do the leveling myself :|


Too cheap in my opinion. I'd rather it be a thousand dollars so people would shun away from the feature.


You are greatly overestimating how many people will legitimately spend the money on this.
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Re: Warlords of Draenor

Postby Newsom » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:55 pm

It should be expensive. I guess they couldn't price it above ~$75 (the cost of buying a new account with WoD and then moving the characer) so this seems like a decent compromise.

Now I feel less bad about leveling 11 characters to 90 on my own time.
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Re: Warlords of Draenor

Postby Kal » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:37 pm

Won't buy, don't care.

I think it's a great move by Blizz though, since relevant content is what people play for, leveling is just a grind, yadda yadda. For people inclined to spend a bit extra, they get alts. More power to them, just learn your class.

Now about that learning the class thing, I think it's a terrible argument (not that anyone here made it, but it is out there) that any of these players would be at a disadvantage due to being boosted, not just considering respeccing at max level, but also considering that raiding/pvp at max is so totally different than questing or dungeon grinding, it's just not an issue. So, more power to them.
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Re: Warlords of Draenor

Postby Era » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:10 am

To me it's more an ideological issue than a practical one. It's a "pay to win" feature (by my definition something that gives an unfair advantage to someone who can't buy it), and while practically, sure, there might not be any serious ramifications (not that much to win other than time), I just don't approve. When I hear how many alts some people on this forum have leveled, I cant help but think "Hey, good job". That'll be gone. As for the "lack of skill" issue, well, to some degree it surely is going to affect LFR and dugeons? Besides, this game has got enough micro transactions as it is, for a game with a subscription.
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Re: Warlords of Draenor

Postby Worldie » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:18 am

Teranoid wrote:
Era wrote:
Worldie wrote:60 $ for a lvl boost is FAR too much, chineses ask for less and I'd still rather do the leveling myself :|


Too cheap in my opinion. I'd rather it be a thousand dollars so people would shun away from the feature.


You are greatly overestimating how many people will legitimately spend the money on this.

You greatly underestimate how much money most of the playerbase has to spend. Just think of the success of the in-game store for completely useless stuff (just cosmetic).
The amount of "kids with daddy's cc" is enormous, and so is the amount of people who have no financial awareness as they have someone else payin their bills.

I think Blizzard will make a ton of money from the boost service, and tbh, I don't care.
The whole "omg we'll get noobs in whatever end game puggable content" doesn't really stand, because even now that you can't skip the leveling, there's still people in SoO LFR (so 496 ilvl) who can't break 40k dps. People with second last tier who can't do more damage or healing than a lvl 85 character. And they did the whole leveling.
Leveling doesn't teach anything to the player because it's so easy that you can go away with autoattacking as mage. Even in leveling istances, mobs are so weak and die so fast that you can complete them without a tank and healer, so group play is also not teached to a leveler.
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Re: Warlords of Draenor

Postby Thels » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:07 am

The problem is that if they boost the price up more, it starts to become more effective to buy a 2nd account, get a free 90 on the second account, and then move that character over to the first account.

Obviously, they don't want to keep all these extra accounts in their database, hence they make it slightly cheaper to do it a lot easier.

I personally had expected it to be cheaper than a big whopping 60 dollars, but then, I never planned on buying the feature, only use the free option once, and basically for professions/another garrison.



To summarize about WoD:

- Both the Digital Collector's Edition and the Physical Collector's Edition will include and extra mount and pet.

- Any version will include a single free boost to 90. You can boost any character, including a new level 1 alt. If the character is level 60 or higher, you gain a veteran bonus, which boosts your primary professions as well. Rumor has it that they'll go all the way up to 300 for a level 60 character, but I haven't seen this being confirmed yet. It might scale with level.

- When you digitally prepurchase either the base or the digital collector's edition, you'll get both perks (free mount and pet, and the level 90 boost) immediately, rather than when WoD is released.

- They said they had plans for supporting the physical boxes somehow in this way, though no details for them have been confirmed. One way they could do this is by letting you buy the digital version, and when you get your physical box, you upgrade to your physical version, and the money that you spent on the digital version will go towards your subscription fee.
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Re: Warlords of Draenor

Postby Thels » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:15 am

Era wrote:It's a "pay to win" feature (by my definition something that gives an unfair advantage to someone who can't buy it),


I disagree there, considering it's a boost to 90 with what, 483 gear? If it was a boost to 100, or say a boost to 90 with 530 gear, I could see your point, but it's not.

It's a "Pay to catch up". MoP has been out for ages, so getting your character to level 90 is certainly not the hot stuff. ToT LFR, HC Scenarios and Timeless all drop better gear than the greens your new toon gets stuffed in. You aren't getting anything that you couldn't have already gotten for ages with some very casual play.

It allows you to look at a different class, and get a feel for how those classes play at endgame level without first having to go through 90 levels that are in no way representable to how the character will feel at end game content.
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Re: Warlords of Draenor

Postby Era » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:35 am

I'm just gonna quote in the rest of my quote, so I don't get misunderstood. :P
I agree that it's not a big deal, but you still pay to get something that other people have to spend time and effort to achieve.

Era wrote:To me it's more an ideological issue than a practical one. It's a "pay to win" feature (by my definition something that gives an unfair advantage to someone who can't buy it), and while practically, sure, there might not be any serious ramifications (not that much to win other than time), I just don't approve.
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Re: Warlords of Draenor

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:06 am

It's also, incidentally, "pay for achievement".
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Re: Warlords of Draenor

Postby Newsom » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:27 am

Thels wrote:Rumor has it that they'll go all the way up to 300 for a level 60 character, but I haven't seen this being confirmed yet. It might scale with level.


They went up to 600 for both professions on the PTR afaik.
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