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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Newsom » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:53 pm

halabar wrote:Reading all the speculation and the leaks about time travel and whatnot... Not impressed at all, and contemplating retirement. If the whole thing winds up being Garrosh redemption in Outlands 2.0, I might really be done.


Same. I'll keep playing as long as the raiding is good but not excited about this at all. But let's see what happens at Blizzcon first.
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Paxen » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:01 am

How about that rumour that the Siege of Orgrimmar was originally intended to be the first raid of the next expac? Assuming that's true, what kind of storyline would follow that?
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby halabar » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:33 am

Paxen wrote:How about that rumour that the Siege of Orgrimmar was originally intended to be the first raid of the next expac? Assuming that's true, what kind of storyline would follow that?


The obvious one would be that Anduin releases Garrosh for some reason, and Garrosh escapes back in time and we have to go kick his daddy's butt, all the while the Burning Legion are attacking...
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Newsom » Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:58 pm

Orgrimmar was merely a setback?
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Paxen » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:39 pm

Not as it ended up as - as the end of expac raid. But rather than what the next expac would have been like if Garrosh hadn't cracked just yet, and instead of SoO as we have it would have been the boss of the first raid of WoD.
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Sagara » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:07 am

Okay. Why in the FLYING F*CK am I asleep when all the shit hits the fan only to wake up when all the interesting stuff is deleted? How am I supposed to be productive at work after that?

F*ck sleep.
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Nooska » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:06 am

Sagara wrote:Okay. Why in the FLYING F*CK am I asleep when all the shit hits the fan only to wake up when all the interesting stuff is deleted? How am I supposed to be productive at work after that?

F*ck sleep.

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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Sagara » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:15 am

There appears to have been a leak of some sort on the official forums, MMOC and other places.
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:12 am

If there had been someone would have managed to keep hold of it and repost, surely?
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Sagara » Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:51 am

If it's an hoax, it's a goddamn long and complex one, as it implies two people clearly collaborating to spread the story, at least one more to say "hey, where did this leak go?", not even mentionning how Scrolls of Lore has seen a near-complete shutdown on its expansion theory thread.

Further, there ARE a couple of versions to be found on MMOC (and possibly elsewhere), but at this point, it's hard to separate honest retellings of the leak from hoax, jokes and copycats. So it's not "it's no longer available", it's more "drowned in the static".
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Passionario » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:03 am

This one?

No new class or races. All of this is pre demon blood so no humans with the draenei being the main Alliance force. Garrosh goes back in time and stops his father from drinking the demons blood and Gul'dan is banished. He brings technology from the current time to reinforce the Horde. Ner'zhul uses this and rises to power once more to try and gain Garrosh's trust in the....Iron Horde. The Iron Horde forbids demon magic but it's pretty likely Gul'dan may end up summoning the Legion still even on his own. We get there via the Timewalkers. I dunno how exactly Garrosh gets to the past yet. But his escape is explained in a upcoming short story with the start being his trial. Garrosh says he regrets nothing while laughing crazily but Anduin still believes he can be redeemed. Baine wants to personally execute Garrosh and Jaina is still her raging self. Eventually it comes to that scene we see in that Timeless Isle quest with Anduin talking to Garrosh. I dunno the rest of the story yet but it's likely Anduin and Zaela help Garrosh escape. 5.5 was to be 2 scenario's showing Garrosh's escape but since they are short on time 5.5 was scrapped for the above story with maybe parts ending up in 6.0. It was also to tie into the Timeless Isle. The ORIGINAL story for the expansion was that Garrosh was banished to Outland but managed to get a artifact of Nozdormu. He used the artifact to summon the great heroes of the Horde and then 're makes' Draenor with the artifact pulling in new landmasses that just tears things up more. This was later scrapped for time travel. The Alliance start in Shadowmoon and their capital is Karabor which is similar to Terokkar now. Karabor looks like how it does in the TBC trailer with Akama but brighter. The Horde starting zone is a new zone west of Blade's Edge in the Frost Wolf Homelands where their capital is a captured Ogre stronghold city. The zone itself is a tundra. Netherstorm is Faralon but will be released in a future patch. Hellfire is a jungle where Garrosh is constructing the Dark Portal so he can invade Azeroth and 'make things right'. Zangar is a sea full of giant mushrooms. Shattrath is taken over by the Iron Horde and is a raid along with Auchindoun being a dungeon/raid. The other raids are The Blackrock Clan Citadel and a Ogre Stronghold. The first dungeon is in the Horde starting zone and is a Ogre Dungeon Cave where we rescue slaves. The zone south of Terrokkar is the capital of the Arrakoa and is where their palace is located. It's like Terokkar but has a LOT more tree houses and flying Arrakoa. Maybe they end up doing something with their Old God. There's some new tiger race as well but no details. The Iron Horde has dominated the Gronn and uses them as giant siege mounts similar to the mammoths in LotR. The 'Warlords' are all the chieftains of the old Horde with Durotan being the only good guy. Some of the main heroes of the expansion are Velen (dunno if its Velen meeting himself or just past Velen), Maarad, Vol'jin, Thrall, Durotan, and some dwarf and tauren. There's a continent southwest of Draenor which is the homeland of the Ogres.

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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Worldie » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:12 am

Trademark registered in the US, and the beta profile image has been changed to show Thrall.

I'm more and more confident that it's a Burning Legion themed expansion.
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Sagara » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:29 am

Passionario wrote:This one?

No new class or races. All of this is pre demon blood so no humans with the draenei being the main Alliance force. Garrosh goes back in time and stops his father from drinking the demons blood and Gul'dan is banished. He brings technology from the current time to reinforce the Horde. Ner'zhul uses this and rises to power once more to try and gain Garrosh's trust in the....Iron Horde. The Iron Horde forbids demon magic but it's pretty likely Gul'dan may end up summoning the Legion still even on his own. We get there via the Timewalkers. I dunno how exactly Garrosh gets to the past yet. But his escape is explained in a upcoming short story with the start being his trial. Garrosh says he regrets nothing while laughing crazily but Anduin still believes he can be redeemed. Baine wants to personally execute Garrosh and Jaina is still her raging self. Eventually it comes to that scene we see in that Timeless Isle quest with Anduin talking to Garrosh. I dunno the rest of the story yet but it's likely Anduin and Zaela help Garrosh escape. 5.5 was to be 2 scenario's showing Garrosh's escape but since they are short on time 5.5 was scrapped for the above story with maybe parts ending up in 6.0. It was also to tie into the Timeless Isle. The ORIGINAL story for the expansion was that Garrosh was banished to Outland but managed to get a artifact of Nozdormu. He used the artifact to summon the great heroes of the Horde and then 're makes' Draenor with the artifact pulling in new landmasses that just tears things up more. This was later scrapped for time travel. The Alliance start in Shadowmoon and their capital is Karabor which is similar to Terokkar now. Karabor looks like how it does in the TBC trailer with Akama but brighter. The Horde starting zone is a new zone west of Blade's Edge in the Frost Wolf Homelands where their capital is a captured Ogre stronghold city. The zone itself is a tundra. Netherstorm is Faralon but will be released in a future patch. Hellfire is a jungle where Garrosh is constructing the Dark Portal so he can invade Azeroth and 'make things right'. Zangar is a sea full of giant mushrooms. Shattrath is taken over by the Iron Horde and is a raid along with Auchindoun being a dungeon/raid. The other raids are The Blackrock Clan Citadel and a Ogre Stronghold. The first dungeon is in the Horde starting zone and is a Ogre Dungeon Cave where we rescue slaves. The zone south of Terrokkar is the capital of the Arrakoa and is where their palace is located. It's like Terokkar but has a LOT more tree houses and flying Arrakoa. Maybe they end up doing something with their Old God. There's some new tiger race as well but no details. The Iron Horde has dominated the Gronn and uses them as giant siege mounts similar to the mammoths in LotR. The 'Warlords' are all the chieftains of the old Horde with Durotan being the only good guy. Some of the main heroes of the expansion are Velen (dunno if its Velen meeting himself or just past Velen), Maarad, Vol'jin, Thrall, Durotan, and some dwarf and tauren. There's a continent southwest of Draenor which is the homeland of the Ogres.

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There's always the possibility that "Warlords of Draenor" will be the title of the WoW movie.


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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Paxen » Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:34 am

Apart from where they immediately recycle MoP's endboss this seems promising.
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Andurin » Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:45 am

I should buy more popcorn... If this is up here now, and we gotta wait till Friday, I`ll need a lot of popcorn ^^

Seriously tough, I love these theory's. It's great to see what people come up with ^^ Also found this one, just cant find the source in my browser history :(

Jaina and Anduin, with the aid of the bronze dragonflight, created a false future of old draenor, as it would have gone under the old horde. Garrosh escapes, and takes control of the future past horde, molding them into his personal army. Using a legion of enslaved ethereals, he forges cybernetic replacement parts for his new army, which are infused with the blood of bronze dragons so they'll survive even if the false future is destroyed. (they're making a short film for the intro). Turning most of the continent into a shattered wasteland, he and his forces travel around in airships (hence the name)

The alliance and horde must now tend to the timelines, sending their forces to aid the timewalkers. They are based in an island chain to the north of the central continent. Alliance will gain merfolk, a titan-planted race, as their new members, while the horde will get an alternative breed of murlocs native to outland.
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:42 am

Well that second one is obvious bullshit.

The first is... interesting. I also am not keen on the idea of Garrosh creating yet another reformed Horde and becoming the big boss. Though it's possible of course that his actions would just be lead in to something else (the summoning of the Legion to Outland by Gul'dan).

But... the whole thing sounds like it'd be a big distraction from the buildup they've been doing in game over the last few years. Like Wrathion predicting the next Legion invasion, and the rise of the Zandalari under the Prophet Zul. This time travel storyline would basically throw out all the recent story in favour of playing with a bunch of characters from the history of Draenor - it's basically complete freedom to ignore established canon.
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Fetzie » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:21 am

I think the idea that this is the name of the Warcraft movie is much more likely. Throwing the entire storyline of the last 6 years out of the window just seems wrong. It would make a very marketable movie story-line too (Hollywood is a sucker for Jesus redemption stories like Grom Hellscream vs Mannoroth).
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby halabar » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:37 pm

Fetzie wrote:I think the idea that this is the name of the Warcraft movie is much more likely. Throwing the entire storyline of the last 6 years out of the window just seems wrong. It would make a very marketable movie story-line too (Hollywood is a sucker for Jesus redemption stories like Grom Hellscream vs Mannoroth).


Another 3 Fing years of chasing Garrosh and the bad Orcs around, and Anduin goes softey so Varian can kick his ass?.. Uggh.....

A whole expac of Orcs and Ogres?.. Uggh....

I expected no new races or classes, since they need 6 years to do new models, but that much recycling?... Uggh....

If that first one is true, might have to get off this train...
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Flex » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:43 pm

Here's my completely uneducated guess

Full Burning Legion expansion spanning across Azeroth, Outland and a Burning Legion world.
Demon Hunter hero class. Shadow damage based ranger style class with two ranged specs and one melee spec sharing gear with hunters/enhancement shaman.
Their intro story will be as a horde/alliance soldier stationed in Outlands left for dead when the burning legion invade. Taken in by the survivors of Shattrath and trained in the art of demon hunting their class quest will end with them preventing the Legion from opening massive demonic portals into the cities of Azeroth.

Blasted Lands in the EK all but destroyed from the initial invasion, Silithus decimated by demonic invasions in Kalimdor. They'll be the starting zones for Alliance and Horde Players. Only Hellfire Peninsula will be phased for players on the Expansion, fight to the center of the Citadel to open the portal to go to the Burning Legion planet.

Raids:
There will be an Azeroth raid as the Legion strikes a deal with the remnants of the Zandalari trolls to strike back at the Alliance and Horde.
Wrathion and his newly formed legion of Azerothian lifeforms, such as dragons and non-alliance/horde intelligent creatures will be a hostile faction to the players and will be the second raid. He has more success against the Legion than we will have, but he also keeps interfering and attacking us in his arrogance and anger over his MoP plans being defeated. That raid will be split between defeating a Legion force attacking his stronghold and then defeating his forces in the stronghold, he will die but will bestow the victors with great power to defeat the legion.
Last raid will be the Legion ending with defeating a reborn Sargeras.

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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Worldie » Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:15 pm

Demon Hunter being a ranged class that uses ranged weapons would be a strong choice that would make ranged weapons distributed amongst 2 classes instead of one, and I'd be fine with it.

What I think would be... weird... is having a class called Hunter and a class called Demon Hunter...
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby halabar » Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:21 pm

Gotta get the Zandalari in there somewhere....
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Paxen » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:48 pm

halabar wrote:Gotta get the Zandalari in there somewhere....


What's an expac without a Troll instance?
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Amirya » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:08 pm

Am I the only one sick and tired of the trolls in every expansion?
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby halabar » Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:44 pm

Amirya wrote:Am I the only one sick and tired of the trolls in every expansion?


Nope, but it looks like we are getting trolls+orcs+ogres+Garrosh+demons+outlands

Garrosh's wild ride in Outlands... sigh.


The Dark Below sounded so much better...
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Re: "Warlords of Draenor"

Postby Worldie » Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:34 am

Trademarked in the EU now as well, something is boiling.

I somewhat doubt it's the movie's title, as they wouldnt have needed to trademark it in first place.
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