So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Thels » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:06 am

Can't have those Hordies get all organized and leave our stuff in a mess. Let's get organized here! Several people posted interest, but some signed up on the Horde one, so for sake of clarity, anyone interested, please post with what class-spec combo(s) you're interested in joining the Alliance one:

- Thels (Paladin Prot/Ret or DK Blood/Frost)
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Flex » Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:22 am

With cross realm/Real ID everything would making a sub-forum for raid organization be of use?
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Worldie » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:23 am

Might be. We'll see how the thing evolves and if necessary will open a subforum.
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby daishan » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:54 am

I'd like to join on my shadow priest if I can get it a little more geared.
Would need to be Friday or Tuesday night for me or possibly Sat/Sun afternoon.
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Lieris » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:42 pm

I have set a time and a date in the OP. If everyone who is interested can please PM me with what they'd like to bring, your battlenet ID and an armory link (just so we can all see where we are at).

Also if you can raid lead please do nominate yourself! I don't know how necessary that is but I guess it can't hurt especially if you have cleared the instance on normal already by the time this starts.
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Thels » Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:08 am

Zoelin Prot/Ret Paladin or Zoewen Blood/Frost DK. Wouldn't mind raid leading.

I'll PM my tags to Lieris, and anyone that wants to know them. Rather not have them posted on a public forum, though.
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby daishan » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:51 am

Saishan Shadow Priest, still a little low on gear and practice but should be good to go by the patch.
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Worldie » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:18 am

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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Fenris » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:19 am

Might be interest in joining but i've to see what my guild ends doing with flex raids before saying for sure

Anyway,since i don't think i'll finish leveling and gearing my blood dk,that leaves my BM hunter to pick (once i finish cleaning it up a bit more :D )
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Lieris » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:45 am

OP is up to date now.
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Thels » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:40 am

Those Horse Scum filled their raid up already! What's keeping us proud Alliance Soldiers?
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby daishan » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:51 am

I might have a WW guildie that would be interested in coming, only problem is his main is a dirty rogue so not sure how everyone would feel about running with him? :p
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Winkle » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:07 am

I've committed my main to a guild run and i simply don't have any alts beyond even 500ilvl. I may join this in the future but getting upto 520ivl for flex is an ask unless you have an organized alt run.
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Worldie » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:34 am

500 ilvl should be plenty for Flex.

I'm assuming SoO flex is tuned around fully ToT LFR geared char, as tuning it on full normal would essentially cut out most of the playerbase it's meant for.
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Thels » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:09 am

Worldie wrote:500 ilvl should be plenty for Flex.

I'm assuming SoO flex is tuned around fully ToT LFR geared char, as tuning it on full normal would essentially cut out most of the playerbase it's meant for.


Same here, at least for the first wing, though I expect that to be quite a tight fit, making it decently hard enough to kill the bosses with that gear level, so the increase in gear from LFR/World Bosses/Valor upgrades/Timeless Isle will make the content easier over time.
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Flex » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:34 am

Pretty sure the item level scaling for Flex testing was 496 early wings and 510 later wings.
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Jabari » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:40 am

Flex wrote:Pretty sure the item level scaling for Flex testing was 496 early wings and 510 later wings.


From the other thread:
Winkle wrote:In other news:

The feedback from Flex PTR testing has made for interesting reading.

Testing was conducted at an ilvl of 522.
Testers reported that the raids were more difficult than they were expecting, some groups failed to even clear trash.
Watcher commented that he believed the test ilvl was to low and the fights would be more likely balanced for 530 ilvl.
They did test the 3rd of 4 parts of the raid mind you, so perhaps its reasonable to assume a 530 ilvl by the time that segment releases.
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Worldie » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:11 am

And how exactly do they assume people can get 530 ilvl if Flex is tuned for people who can't even clear normal tot.
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Flex » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:18 am

Worldie wrote:And how exactly do they assume people can get 530 ilvl if Flex is tuned for people who can't even clear normal tot.


It is hard not to get a high item level via ToT LFR since rep items are 522 and double upgrades to 530. So you're left with 1 trinket, 1 ring and weapons as 502/510.
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Jabari » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:23 am

Worldie wrote:And how exactly do they assume people can get 530 ilvl if Flex is tuned for people who can't even clear normal tot.


530 for the last half, so I'd imagine somewhere between 515 to 520 for the first half is about right.

That's really easy to get to if you actually play the character - Nalak/OON, VP stuff, H-Scenarios, crafted helm/boots, and the upgrade vendor get you there. Not to mention whatever comes from the new area.

My warrior is at 525-ish for both specs, and has gotten a total of like 3 items from normal ToT. *shrug*

It sounds like it's meant to be "progressed through", not "cleared first week", so you're getting stuff from that at well over time.
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Newsom » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:00 am

You're forgetting that the target audience are friend & family guilds who aren't the best players. LFR gear with a few 522 items and some valor upgrades (510ish overall) sounds about right. And then a few people can stand in fire without wiping the raid.
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Thels » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:38 am

Yeah. The target audience is probably going to have something like 510 at the start. 502 LFR gear with valor upgrades, with perhaps some 522 gear mixed in (SPA, World Bosses, Craftables, perhaps a Jin'Rokh normal item).

So the earlier wings are probably providing a decent, overcome-able challenge for the more casual player in 510 gear. In 510 gear, it won't be a walk through the park, but neither should it be impossible for them. It can probably be done in lower level gear, but it would require more skill than the target audience.

As the patch continues, and more wings open up, players will have looted some 540 gear from Flex, perhaps some 528 gear from LFR in addition, or some 535 Timeless gear. They might get lucky on the world bosses and get some 553 gear there, or perhaps have crafted themselves some gear. They can also upgrade some of those items with Valor. I can certainly see the later wings being tuned more towards 540. That might be too high of an item level for the people that cleared every Flex wing on the week it was released, and thus arrive there in like week 4, but they're ahead of schedule, so it should be fine for things to be a little harder than intended.

Of course, that's all speculation. Either way, since we're players that are reading forums, checking into stuff and should know our classes, I think it should be doable with a 500 average itemlevel. Since we're also having some people in the 530s (or higher?), we can probably carry some weaker geared players. Time will tell, though.
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Newsom » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:58 am

Yep, that's what I'd expect as well.
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Nooska » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:12 am

Winkle wrote:I've committed my main to a guild run and i simply don't have any alts beyond even 500ilvl. I may join this in the future but getting upto 520ivl for flex is an ask unless you have an organized alt run.

Setting the bar high right now ;)
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Re: So uh, SoO flex group anyone? (Alliance EU)

Postby Worldie » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:22 am

As stated above, we'll likely have a few of us with over 530 ilvi (or 550 in my case), so we'll surely be able to drag some lower lvls as long as they actually play well :)
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