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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby Fenrìr » Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:54 pm

bldavis wrote:
Fenrìr wrote:@Pfife, the only issue with your story arch is that Deathwing was blasted into oblivion, there is no corpse. /end nick pick XD




And Velen is an agent for the Legion? Did I miss horribly miss some retcon here?

are we SURE DW was blasted to oblivion? or was he just destroyed enough to let what was left of his corpse fall into the water?

and no not yet at any rate..though i will be estatic/pissed as all hell if that retcon happens (estatic cause i called it, but pissed as all hell cause it happened)



Yea, unless those tiny particles from the Dragon Soul can come back together. But I am sure they'll retcon it if it fits into their designs.
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby Nooska » Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:11 am

KysenMurrin wrote:Hmm. Trying to work through the timeline convolutions gave me a thought. They could just go ahead and rearrange the levelling path while overhauling Outland. Cut out the 60-70 Outland, insert the new Outland at 90+, move around level ranges of WotLK (60-70)/Cata(70-80)/MoP(80-90) to fill the gap.
Never gonna happen, because damn that's a lot of work.

I think more, "never gonna happen" because its a reuse of an already known area - what would they do with it to make it not feel like a repeat of TBC? make a completely new outland? then they could just make that new one from scratch and not redo the levelling anyway.
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby bldavis » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:41 am

do we already have a thread for speculation about new expansions? if we dont why dont we rename this one?
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby Newsom » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:45 am

bldavis wrote:do we already have a thread for speculation about new expansions? if we dont why dont we rename this one?


Myeah, my original thread name was more along those lines. :P
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby Pfife » Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:39 am

Fenrìr wrote:
bldavis wrote:
Fenrìr wrote:@Pfife, the only issue with your story arch is that Deathwing was blasted into oblivion, there is no corpse. /end nick pick XD




And Velen is an agent for the Legion? Did I miss horribly miss some retcon here?

are we SURE DW was blasted to oblivion? or was he just destroyed enough to let what was left of his corpse fall into the water?

and no not yet at any rate..though i will be estatic/pissed as all hell if that retcon happens (estatic cause i called it, but pissed as all hell cause it happened)



Yea, unless those tiny particles from the Dragon Soul can come back together. But I am sure they'll retcon it if it fits into their designs.


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If that giant chunk in the background survived (and two other parts wound up in Ogg and SW), then it is entirely possible that a sizable chunk of his lower half survived as well. I'm not going with a resurrection or anything, just a usage of the latent energies of his corpse. I hate pointless revivals as much as the next fanboy.

I think I may flesh out my original idea over the weekend. I like something I came up with that uses phasing and I really want to script the dialogue of the last two boss fights after thinking of how I want the lead in for the next next (or final). I think you can expect a wall of text from me at some point.
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby bldavis » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:31 am

there is the jaw chunks that are in SW/Ogr, as well as the one on the rock..
in the madness fight, we only say his front legs, head, and wings...basically from shoulders down is underwater
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby halabar » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:40 am

So.. apparently The Dark Below was also registered in the EU.
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby Petrus » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:06 am

I really hope it's a WoW expansion - I'm looking forward to killing Azshara, but I really hope it doesn't involve too much underwater stuff. I was one of the few people who enjoyed Vashj'ir and even I admit that it would have been better at around 2/3 of the length it was.
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby Newsom » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:50 pm

I just hope it's not all over the place like Cata was. Having a whole "continent" is way more fun.
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby Fenrìr » Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:03 pm

bldavis wrote:there is the jaw chunks that are in SW/Ogr, as well as the one on the rock..
in the madness fight, we only say his front legs, head, and wings...basically from shoulders down is underwater


But wasn't it stated the jaw chucks that are in SW/Org the only thing that survived the blast?
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby bldavis » Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:11 pm

Fenrìr wrote:
bldavis wrote:there is the jaw chunks that are in SW/Ogr, as well as the one on the rock..
in the madness fight, we only say his front legs, head, and wings...basically from shoulders down is underwater


But wasn't it stated the jaw chucks that are in SW/Org the only thing that survived the blast?

where was that stated?
i dont remember anything either way
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby Fenrìr » Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:57 pm

Not going to put much stock in it, but Wowpedia states his body was obliterated with only pieces of his armor surviving.

Gods...I really feel like something was stated in game too. Hrm...
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby bldavis » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:08 am

if there was, i dont remember anything

ok just rewatched the end of the madness fight...and yeah it does appear his body does get obliterated..

if there is armor still, there could be some back plates (like the ones we blast off in the spine fight) down there...
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Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby benebarba » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:58 am

bldavis wrote:if there was, i dont remember anything

ok just rewatched the end of the madness fight...and yeah it does appear his body does get obliterated..

if there is armor still, there could be some back plates (like the ones we blast off in the spine fight) down there...


I thought the jaw chunk on the rock was supposed to be brought back by the heroes to display in SW/Org (based on faction)...not that some peons came along to haul it away and were all like 'hey, this one's too big. Let's take that other one down there in the water instead.'.

the fact that the one on display is smaller may just be artistic license, kind of like having one in both SW *and* org. But then again, like any story franchise: if there is money to be made, the retcon will probably happen.
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby bldavis » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:01 am

huh?

the jaw chunk is something we have already said is on the rock/in SW/Ogr
i was talking about the plates on his spine, which 1 was knocked off of his back by the first dragon soul attack after ultraxion, then we knocked 2 more off (or was it 3?) in the spine fight. but there was still several more on either side of the spine fight area.

being we had to kill tendons holding them down, you can say that they were connected to his body, and probably have a bit of his corruption left attached, but being adamandite plates, they wouldnt be destroyed by the dragon soul that destroyed his body (case in point, his adamadite jaw was left)

but as you said, if there is a story arc that "needs it" *cough* retcons WILL happen...i mean look at the sargeras and eredar story!
original story was sargeras was corrupted by the eredar, and that lasted through the warcraft games and clear through classic
then with BC, and the introduction of the Draenei, suddenly Sargeras was driven mad by the futility of his task, gave in to chaos and approached the Eredar promising them power, which 2 of the 3 leaders took him up on...

bit of an about face isnt it?
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby Newsom » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:40 pm

Deathwing is not coming back. Stahp it.
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby Lieris » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:54 pm

Dragon Soul was merely a setback.
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby bldavis » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:04 pm

Newsom wrote:Deathwing is not coming back. Stahp it.

i dont want him back, i am merely thinking of ways for his corruption to aid Azshara
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby Amirya » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:13 pm

Pretty sure she doesn't need any help there. Even if she'd been ambivalent before, we went and killed her personal handmaiden and Illidan envoy, and then we went back in time to kick her around too. I'm sure she'll remember us.
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby Darielle » Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:06 pm

We are talking about the Night Elf who thought Sargeras wanted to marry her here.
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby bldavis » Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:14 pm

well she wasnt a night elf at the time, she was a highborne...they werent nelfs until after the sundering :P

but you do have a point (though it was the other way around, she wanted to marry him)
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby Darielle » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:26 pm

bldavis wrote:well she wasnt a night elf at the time, she was a highborne...they werent nelfs until after the sundering :P

but you do have a point (though it was the other way around, she wanted to marry him)


Kaldorei were Kaldorei even before the Sundering. The Priesthood, Elune, all of the things were there. The Highborne were just a group of the Night Elves.
And no, she didn't just want to marry him, she was deeply convinced that he would marry her - because she was so in love with herself that it was natural that everyone else loved her. Mannoroth was laughing a bit privately about that.
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby Era » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:43 am

Hello thread!

I sure wouldn't mind a Dark Below undersea expansion. Obviously it couldn't all be under water, considering the negative reaction Vashj'ir got - but I, for one, loved that zone! Combat was kind of frustrating, but I loved the ambience of the zone. I did Hyjal for completionist purposes, but every other alt went through Vashj, and if I ever return to this game, I suspect every future alt will as well! Vashj'ir and Zangarmarsh were my favourite zones, in terms of aesthetics and ambience.

As for new classes, I don't want any more. I don't mind new races, because that's mostly just aesthetic choices, but more classes means more balancing - and the more classes you have to balance, the harder it is to make them all feel unique. I was more than happy with the amount of classes from Classic, and after allowing Paladins/Shamans on both sides it was all good. Death Knights were a little awkward at first, but eased in over time - then Arthas went down and things got a little awkward again. I quit before MoP so I don't know anything about monks, but I'm sure that'll work out too.

My point, anyway (from somewhere in there), is that the more classes you add, the higher the danger of homogenization and balance issues. I'd rather just have more races and more professions. I think it's time for a new profession. Mason, anyone? Our cities keep getting ruined, don't they. How about dog walker? I'm sure all those stabled hunter pets could use the exercise.
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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby Era » Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:10 am

Sorry about the double post, but I went back reading the rest of this thread and Newsom's post and links (below) got me all excited! I would love that idea. :D

Newsom wrote:I really hope it's an Old God expansion, being a huge Lovecraft fan and all.

N'zoth could very much be a possibility. He is said to be sleeping in the sunken city of Ny'alotha (obviously R'lyeh) which also has connection to the Emerald Dream/Nightmare. Possible location?

There's also the theory that Azeroth itself is named after/encased by an old god (see Azathoth) which is why Azeroth is so important to the titans. (Edit: found the article! It's a good read.)


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"In the sunken city, he lays dreaming..."

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Re: WoW or D3 expansion? The Dark Below

Postby Darielle » Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:23 am

The drowned god's heart is black ice


SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO MALYGOS.

Dun dun dunnnn
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