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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:15 pm

oh.. nvm, you can buy the tanking cloak for 7K gold...
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby melisandyr » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:18 pm

I like the options around the cloak. I think it's a very valid point that the healing model at the moment means that a lot of Guilds won't have experienced tank deaths on a too regular basis. And the juicy haste stat on the Tiger cloak makes it very tempting.

However, I do love the Ox cloak for its tanky proc. It is absolutely an insurance policy, but as a tank I like to bring as much insurance and surety as possible when I join a raid. I like the fact it's a safety net, and will stop me dropping dead when things go wrong. Perhaps this xpac we've been focussed on doing damage too much, but I see it as a sideline to my main purpose in the raid - to stay alive.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Darielle » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:23 pm

Big problem there is, doesnt matter how fun something is, people at normal+ raiding will not do what's fun but what's more efficient.
Doesn't matter if dodging gives you 2000% speed and makes your character dance a rock song if guaranteed mitigation through haste is better for survival and raid dps.


Whether people will do what's more efficient doesn't matter, as long as everything is fun, whatever is more efficient will also be fun.

Haste is fun. If the worst thing we can say about stats is that we have to choose between the fun that is Haste and the fun that is Avoidance, we'd be in a pretty amazing spot.

On a side note regarding cloaks:
The door is open now for lots of mechanics cheesing by damage dealers using the tank cloak proc. Can you imagine if you could give the entire raid the tank cloak during Will progression, or on Lei Shen-H?
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Worldie » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:38 pm

My thoughts too Dari, another reason for which I don't see that cloak making it to live.
Or alternatively, having it capped to a % of the player's HP so you can't use it to leapfrog stuff you shouldn't leapfrog.


Second thing, I wonder if you can upgrade the legendary cloak. /sad of losing 8 ilvls :P
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Flex » Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:42 pm

Darielle wrote:On a side note regarding cloaks:
The door is open now for lots of mechanics cheesing by damage dealers using the tank cloak proc. Can you imagine if you could give the entire raid the tank cloak during Will progression, or on Lei Shen-H?


Don't they have lots of behind the scenes things where they can make it so it only works for tank specs?
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Darielle » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:34 pm

Don't they have lots of behind the scenes things where they can make it so it only works for tank specs?


They could, but I don't see them being able to justify it without changing the acquisition process, especially if the proc is tied to using the "wrong" cloak with the wrong stats and giving up the other proc anyway.

Even more so, I don't think I'd want them doing that kind of thing on the Legendary because it opens the door to disqualifying the use of the Xuen proc for tanking specs.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Fetzie » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:52 pm

melisandyr wrote:I like the options around the cloak. I think it's a very valid point that the healing model at the moment means that a lot of Guilds won't have experienced tank deaths on a too regular basis. And the juicy haste stat on the Tiger cloak makes it very tempting.

However, I do love the Ox cloak for its tanky proc. It is absolutely an insurance policy, but as a tank I like to bring as much insurance and surety as possible when I join a raid. I like the fact it's a safety net, and will stop me dropping dead when things go wrong. Perhaps this xpac we've been focussed on doing damage too much, but I see it as a sideline to my main purpose in the raid - to stay alive.


However, when you are in almost no danger of dying except when it is already a de facto wipe, do you really need that additional safety net? If the DPS cloak effect procs Seal of Insight, that is 6 SoI procs in 3 seconds, or 300k healing. Depending on how often it procs (and don't forget that RPPM effects all scale with your haste) that additional burst of healing could be more useful than the cheat death proc.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:57 pm

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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby benebarba » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:26 pm

ok, that does look pretty wild. Like we stole a druid's shoulders, but wild.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby fuzzygeek » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:16 pm

I'm still pissed they gave fucking priests Tyrael wings instead of us.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:20 pm

i dont like the helm but the rest of the set looks solid, definitively the best one this expac
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Newsom » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:36 pm

Would have looked soooo good without the chicken wings on the helm.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Fenrìr » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:39 pm

Oh look, we have wings on our head, that's new...

oh wait.



On the note of the cloaks, are the agi tanks getting the cheat death proc?
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:51 pm

Fenrìr wrote:Oh look, we have wings on our head, that's new...

oh wait.



On the note of the cloaks, are the agi tanks getting the cheat death proc?


Yes
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Fenrìr » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:55 pm

bastards, let's just make monks more op.
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