Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:47 pm

I like the new trailer. Almost all story, very little raid preview.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Teranoid » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:09 pm

If anyone needed any more of a reason to want to smash Hellscream's face into an unrecognizable mess.. this trailer sealed the deal.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Flex » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:14 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:I like the new trailer. Almost all story, very little raid preview.


Isn't that just further evidence Blizzard can't make compelling content any longer?
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Sagara » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:18 pm

Flex wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:I like the new trailer. Almost all story, very little raid preview.


Isn't that just further evidence Blizzard can't make compelling content any longer?


Meh. Blizzard would announce the Second Coming, they'd still be smashed because it would be "meh, another goody-two-shoes story. Boring Blizz!"
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:19 pm

No. It's evidence that they do very good story cinematics. Clips of testers running the raid are boring. (There was too much "players raiding" in the Throne of Thunder trailer.)
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Flex » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:21 pm

Guess I should've /s'd
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Teranoid » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:30 pm

Flex wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:I like the new trailer. Almost all story, very little raid preview.


Isn't that just further evidence Blizzard can't make compelling content any longer?


Oh fuck off it's like you're not even trying to prove you're not an idiot anymore.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Fenris » Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:51 pm

"Were is he now?"

BURNNNNNNN

And also,SHORYUKEN from the waters

If anyone needed any more of a reason to want to smash Hellscream's face into an unrecognizable mess.. this trailer sealed the deal.

Oh,i don't think anyone needed more reasons
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Teranoid » Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:27 am

Can you tell us where the Dark Shaman cosmetic gear that was recently added to the PTR comes from?
Yes, it comes from Flex, Normal, and Heroic raids. It can drop off of pretty much anything there and it is purely a cosmetic item for Shamans. It is just supposed to be a cool bonus.


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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Paxen » Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:59 am

Sigh, I wish they would stop trying to make me raid something that's not LFR. I'm already sick to death of LFR. I really, really want to raid Flex, you don't have to push me anymore.

I just got no clue where I'm going to find a raid group that doesn't require me to dedicate one or more evenings to raiding every week :(
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Winkle » Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:02 am

Paxen wrote:Sigh, I wish they would stop trying to make me raid something that's not LFR. I'm already sick to death of LFR. I really, really want to raid Flex, you don't have to push me anymore.

I just got no clue where I'm going to find a raid group that doesn't require me to dedicate one or more evenings to raiding every week :(


Do you need to find a raid group? I could imagine flex groups forming fairly regularly without to much organization.

I imagine our guild runs will just grab a few people from trade.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Newsom » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:10 am

Teranoid wrote:
Can you tell us where the Dark Shaman cosmetic gear that was recently added to the PTR comes from?
Yes, it comes from Flex, Normal, and Heroic raids. It can drop off of pretty much anything there and it is purely a cosmetic item for Shamans. It is just supposed to be a cool bonus.


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This is awesome! I was so worried it would be a Blizzard Store set.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Lieris » Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:13 pm

Cliched naff dialogue aside, that's a really good trailer. I hope the raid lives up to it.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Fenris » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:00 pm

The reason paladins are so high is borked scaling. Too weak at low or no vengeance but OP at high veng. Examine.
We don't really see them weak at low V and only a problem in "I'll tank it all mode" which should be fixed now.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:46 pm

Fenris wrote:
The reason paladins are so high is borked scaling. Too weak at low or no vengeance but OP at high veng. Examine.
We don't really see them weak at low V and only a problem in "I'll tank it all mode" which should be fixed now.
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I really have my doubts on this. Paging Dr. Theck!

I mean, the other tanks scale better with gear because more of their abilities scale with weapon damage, but paladins scale almost exclusively from AP, 'cept for CS and HotR, which hits like wet noddles to begin with.

Also, this one made me lol
Again we hear that EF doesn't fit the style you want for holy without saying what style you want. Help?
EF is fine to use. If every paladin uses it, it is no longer fine.


Couldn't that be said about Sacred Shield and protection paladin, and the reason why they considered making it baseline?
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Newsom » Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:01 pm

That whole tier needs a complete revamp.

And yeah, it feels like my mistweaver monk can kill stuff faster than my protection paladin when out in the world questing. And they have a ~70 item level difference...
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Worldie » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:37 am

Klaudandus wrote:Couldn't that be said about Sacred Shield and protection paladin, and the reason why they considered making it baseline?

Main reason for which they didn't make SS baseline (in my opinion) was that they'd have ended up giving prot palas yet another cooldown (in the form of the temporary new SS)
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Darielle » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:11 am

I like the new trailer. Almost all story, very little raid preview.


I thought they flopped a bit on the delivery of how Garrosh wins. The fight was practically nonexistent, and honestly set Taran up pretty weakly just to give Garrosh a couple of one-liners about COUNTING ON IT.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby benebarba » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:58 am

Darielle wrote:
I like the new trailer. Almost all story, very little raid preview.


I thought they flopped a bit on the delivery of how Garrosh wins. The fight was practically nonexistent, and honestly set Taran up pretty weakly just to give Garrosh a couple of one-liners about COUNTING ON IT.


I found that bit especially wierd since it wasn't all that long ago that we watched Taran Zhu get impaled and still have enough to deliver a righteous speech.

But I guess this was an OP heirloom weapon ;)
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby theckhd » Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:08 am

Klaudandus wrote:
Fenris wrote:
The reason paladins are so high is borked scaling. Too weak at low or no vengeance but OP at high veng. Examine.
We don't really see them weak at low V and only a problem in "I'll tank it all mode" which should be fixed now.
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I really have my doubts on this. Paging Dr. Theck!

I mean, the other tanks scale better with gear because more of their abilities scale with weapon damage, but paladins scale almost exclusively from AP, 'cept for CS and HotR, which hits like wet noddles to begin with.

I'm pretty sure our ridiculous haste scaling more than makes up for the weapon damage discrepancy. I'm not sure we're any weaker than DKs or Warriors at low Vengeance, it's just that all tanks are weak at low Vengeance.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:18 am

Yeah, but our haste scaling is just masking the problem. Not everyone can run at 50% haste.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Barathorn » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:18 am

I haven't read all of this, 79 pages is a bit much, but I think I have it right in my head now.

So for someone just getting their gear together at 90 I should be looking at LFR right with the knuckle draggers? And then when patch 5.4 hits I can raid 'safely' with my uber casual friends guild in '/flex' and facepalm my keyboard and still get welfare epics?

What ever happened to being challenged and being rewarded for execution rather than amount of time thrown at the game?

I kinda like that I can raid with my friends but also hate the fact that as someone who use to heroic raid but who has no time to commit to it now that this is my option.

Easy fecking mode.

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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Lieris » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:25 am

Barathorn wrote:I haven't read all of this, 79 pages is a bit much, but I think I have it right in my head now.

So for someone just getting their gear together at 90 I should be looking at LFR right with the knuckle draggers? And then when patch 5.4 hits I can raid 'safely' with my uber casual friends guild in '/flex' and facepalm my keyboard and still get welfare epics?

What ever happened to being challenged and being rewarded for execution rather than amount of time thrown at the game?

I kinda like that I can raid with my friends but also hate the fact that as someone who use to heroic raid but who has no time to commit to it now that this is my option.

Easy fecking mode.

I am happy, but also incredibly sad.


Pretty much. I dinged 90 yesterday and got some nice welfare pvp epics with the JP and honour I had left off from Cata. I can't queue for LFR yet but when I can I will be shamelessly hovering up those easy epics.
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:31 am

Isn't that what heroic modes are for?
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Re: Patch 5.4 - Flex Raid, Siege of Orgrimmar, and more!

Postby Winkle » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:35 am

Barathorn wrote:I haven't read all of this, 79 pages is a bit much, but I think I have it right in my head now.

So for someone just getting their gear together at 90 I should be looking at LFR right with the knuckle draggers? And then when patch 5.4 hits I can raid 'safely' with my uber casual friends guild in '/flex' and facepalm my keyboard and still get welfare epics?

What ever happened to being challenged and being rewarded for execution rather than amount of time thrown at the game?

I kinda like that I can raid with my friends but also hate the fact that as someone who use to heroic raid but who has no time to commit to it now that this is my option.

Easy fecking mode.

I am happy, but also incredibly sad.


What option could you ever envisage that would satisfy you? Even if Blizzard could balance and thus introduce flexible heroic raiding it would be useless to you unless all your friends are also ex heroic raiders, still skilled enough to clear that level of content but unable to adhere to a schedule.

It's strange that blizzard add more and more options and variable difficulty content yet people still seem to feel that their not catered for.
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