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Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 11:23 am
by halabar
So the news is out, and Blizz tacitly confirmed it, that Titan has been "reset" is going to undergo a tech and design overhaul by a small core team, and is pushed back to 2016. Since nearly everyone was expecting major Titan news at Blizzcon, now there are a lot of questions...

1) What does this mean for Titan, will it be another "SC Ghost"?

2) Where are the developer resources that are getting moved off Titan going to?

3) What's left for Blizzcon? Next WoW expac announcement? D3 and SC2 expansions?

4) How does this effect the future of WoW?

/discuss

Personally, I think that a lot of us were expecting one or two last big final expacs for WoW, which would then lead into Titan. But with this news, Blizz is going to have to have at least 2 more WoW expacs to bridge the gap to Titan, at least, perhaps more, to keep us all subscribing.

Question is, does WoW have the legs to last until Titan is likely released in 2017? How many of us are still going to play an MMO at that point, 3+ years from now? Not sure I see myself playing these games, at least in the present model, for that long.

I hope Blizz doesn't resort to stretching and stuffing the story in ways that are superfluous just to fill the gap.

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 11:37 am
by Flex
Zero effect on anything related to WoW except maybe some code cleanup and extra design resources for a short period of time.

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 11:49 am
by benebarba
Flex wrote:Zero effect on anything related to WoW except maybe some code cleanup and extra design resources for a short period of time.


And don't forget juicy QQ.

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 11:54 am
by Flex
benebarba wrote:
Flex wrote:Zero effect on anything related to WoW except maybe some code cleanup and extra design resources for a short period of time.


And don't forget juicy QQ.


"You have more cooks why isn't the food perfect?!?!?!!?"

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 12:22 pm
by Worldie
In the same interview, they said that part of the Titan team is now moved to Wow, Sc2 and D3. Meaning we can finally get some dungeons toghether with Raids, other than boring scenarios.

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 12:26 pm
by halabar
Worldie wrote:In the same interview, they said that part of the Titan team is now moved to Wow, Sc2 and D3. Meaning we can finally get some dungeons toghether with Raids, other than boring scenarios.


We might indeed see some short-term gain like that, but I have to imagine that it will effect their plans for WoW, as they may indeed really need to bridge that gap.

May see that all-troll expansion yet...

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 12:36 pm
by Flex
I'd imagine WoW's future has not been tied to Titan ever and Titan's rollout has never been linked to an EOL/sunsetting for WoW.

So what we'd see is really just short term gains for existing plans.

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:06 pm
by benebarba
halabar wrote:
Worldie wrote:In the same interview, they said that part of the Titan team is now moved to Wow, Sc2 and D3. Meaning we can finally get some dungeons toghether with Raids, other than boring scenarios.


We might indeed see some short-term gain like that, but I have to imagine that it will effect their plans for WoW, as they may indeed really need to bridge that gap.

May see that all-troll expansion yet...



I'd be happy to see one where the only trolls are the PCs ;)

Maybe after getting the darkspear some greener pastures and some new horde leadership, we can finally find out what the deal is with the Draenei and the exodar, get the gnomes back their home (fully), sort out this whole three hammers business (man, BRD's gotta be awkward now...). Etc. Etc.

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:48 pm
by KysenMurrin
I have no doubt WoW will continue rolling along for as long as people play it, regardless of what other games Blizzard release. There's no "end-game" in sight for it, as far as Blizzard's concerned.

What this means for WoW is that some portion of the 60-70 developers moved off Titan will become new resources for the WoW team which might result in them being able to do more - there've been a lot of comments from GC recently about them looking to expand the team so they can keep up the frequent patches with more content like dungeons brought in. Depends on what areas the reassigned devs work in.

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 2:29 pm
by Chunes
Maybe we'll finally be able to fly around Silvermoon city!

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 2:58 pm
by Paxen
One theory is that Blizzard thinks that Titan is pushed back to not compete with WoW. WoW still have years and years left as the (fantastically) profitable venture it has been so far. Sure, it won't climb back to the peak numbers, but the slow decline we're in will still be a big part of Activision-Blizzard's profit of $1 billion per year.

WoW isn't going anywhere. Would Titan finally be the WoW-killer? Why would Blizzard bother to compete against itself?

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 5:14 pm
by bldavis
wow will really only die when blizz finally shuts down the servers, and yes numbers are declining, but they are still by far the largest sub base in teh MMO market....

like {Paxen said, why release a new MMO that will compete with your already in place juggernaut?

i feel we have at least 2 more expansions, one to tie up the lose ends with various story lines (3hammers, gnomes, the exodar, the new horde leadership etc) and one that will take us to argus to finally confront sargeras.
i doubt we will kill him, but i bet we will take out his top lts and aid the titans in dealing with him

wrathion is hinting pretty hard about a burning legion invasion...so i figure we have at least one to deal with in that
as far as a troll expansion..i hope not..
i love the troll lore but ffs enough is enough, have there be a troll raid in which we finally finish off the zandilari and be done with it
the remaining troll kingdoms might pop up in story lines but only if we are in their native area (Farraki in Tanaris, Drakkari in NR, Amani in norhtern EK, gurabashi in southern EK)

i can see a emerald dream/old god expansion in which we cleanse the emerald dream of the emerald nightmare and work on weakening the remaining old gods (i believe there are 2 more? there was 5 to begin with iirc, one became the shas, yogg, c'thun, and that leaves 2 more) and then dealing with the burning legion

hell the trolls might be supporting the old gods, so we take them out to weaken the old gods power base, go after the old gods, and then while we are busy dealing with that, the burning legion comes back giving us the next expanion -

stage one - fight off invading force and fix portal/exodar to get us t oargus
stage two - gain foothold on argus
stage three - take out lt's and contact titans
stage four - confront Sargeras
stage five - go home and say good bye to warcraft and hello to titan!

i doubt it will happen like that but who knows right?
oh and when i say aid titans, i mean aid thrall as he becomes a honorary titan :roll:

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 5:20 am
by Worldie
Bare in mind the number declining of WoW is majorly in Asia, where there's a HUGE competition from F2P MMOs, and where people prefer more grindy games to the casual approach of WoW.

WoW is still by far the most successfull MMO in US and Eu and I don't see this declining anywhere soon.

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 12:29 pm
by Klaudandus
What bothers me is that about 18 months ago, Titan/Blizzard fired the lead level designer (John Staats), which kinda tells me they have had issues with the game for a while.

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 4:45 pm
by oldboyz
Titan smell like a good vaporware...

it is impossible a new game can go out from Blizz. At least untill Wow is certified dead
remimber the day a team has to create his own new company with their new hack&slash
blizzar do good games, but they don't know what innovation is (or let say, risk is their nightmare)

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 4:54 pm
by Teranoid
Titan is the next Starcraft:Ghost

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 8:05 am
by Zobel
halabar wrote:1) What does this mean for Titan, will it be another "SC Ghost"?

Teranoid wrote:Titan is the next Starcraft:Ghost

I guess that's that, then.

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 8:58 am
by Sagara
Depends. The original Starcraft did go through such a rebuild phase as well.
So... Maybe?

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 9:00 am
by Flex
oldboyz wrote:Titan smell like a good vaporware...

it is impossible a new game can go out from Blizz. At least untill Wow is certified dead


Starcraft 2 and sequel and Diablo 3 do not exist.

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 9:39 am
by benebarba
Flex wrote:
oldboyz wrote:Titan smell like a good vaporware...

it is impossible a new game can go out from Blizz. At least untill Wow is certified dead


Starcraft 2 and sequel and Diablo 3 do not exist.


I also feel there should be a 10 year minimum on declaring vaporware.

What was that console... the phantom or something like that, that kept people going for about that long? And Duke Nukem Forever? I still am not sure if that ever made it out.

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 2:15 pm
by Chunes
Duke made it out very much the same way a turd makes it out after a long bout of constipation.

You're kind of happy that it's finally out, but a turd is still a turd.

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 4:54 pm
by benebarba
Chunes wrote:Duke made it out very much the same way a turd makes it out after a long bout of constipation.

You're kind of happy that it's finally out, but a turd is still a turd.


You owe me a keyboard :P

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:31 pm
by PsiVen
Titan was conceived around the same time they decided that Battle.Net 2.0 was put together, with the whole idea that social networking integration with real names and RMT was the next big thing. Now that the abject failure of that model has become apparent, it's no surprise that Titan has been undergoing some changes. I guess they finally decided it wasn't salvageable, considering everyone would have expected it to be the big news at BlizzCon. Now all signs point to major expansions for Diablo/Starcraft/Warcraft being shown off, but already announced by then.

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:57 pm
by Worldie
It's a bit too soon for SC2 2nd exp (announced for 2016) so my dibs on D3 expansion... and maybe the so famous "unannounced feature" of World of Warcraft?

Re: Titan punted to 2016, effect on WoW?

PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:49 am
by bldavis
Worldie wrote:It's a bit too soon for SC2 2nd exp (announced for 2016) so my dibs on D3 expansion... and maybe the so famous "unannounced feature" of World of Warcraft?

yeah i dont see legacy of the void at blizzcon
maybe blizzard all-stars and hearthstone stuff as well as WoW expansion news and announcement of D3 expansion