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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby cdan » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:45 pm

Must be 5.3. 22GB is a bit more than a hot fix unless they are deleting dailies and pokewow like any rational software development company would. :)
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby bldavis » Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:39 pm

cdan wrote:Must be 5.3. 22GB is a bit more than a hot fix unless they are deleting dailies and pokewow like any rational software development company would. :)

unless they are adding a new way to get lesser charms, might as well remove the bonus roll ..... :shock:

maye that is the bad RNG protection...just removing the extra RNG from it! you dont have to worry about getting double gold constantly! you can now only get single gold! :?
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Fetzie » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:53 am

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cdan wrote:Must be 5.3. 22GB is a bit more than a hot fix unless they are deleting dailies and pokewow like any rational software development company would. :)

unless they are adding a new way to get lesser charms, might as well remove the bonus roll ..... :shock:

maye that is the bad RNG protection...just removing the extra RNG from it! you dont have to worry about getting double gold constantly! you can now only get single gold! :?

They'll be dropping from level 90 and higher enemies in 5.3
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby bldavis » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:00 am

oh yeah..forgot that change
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Chunes » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:53 am

Pretty nervous about these pvp changes. Everybody's getting baseline 65% resi now, pvp power now takes roughly 2x as many points to get the same % change in damage as 5.2

I mean, closing a gear gap is well and good, if you're on the bottom of that gear gap. I'm just wondering what this is going to do to the flow of battle in 2's and 3's. I can see it being nice not getting insta-deleted in BG's if you have shit gear, but if the difference between a contenders scrub and full tyrannical is not significant, it's going to be hard to justify the time spent in pvp.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Stubblerump » Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:37 am

Chunes wrote:Pretty nervous about these pvp changes. Everybody's getting baseline 65% resi now, pvp power now takes roughly 2x as many points to get the same % change in damage as 5.2

I mean, closing a gear gap is well and good, if you're on the bottom of that gear gap. I'm just wondering what this is going to do to the flow of battle in 2's and 3's. I can see it being nice not getting insta-deleted in BG's if you have shit gear, but if the difference between a contenders scrub and full tyrannical is not significant, it's going to be hard to justify the time spent in pvp.


^This. PvE is about beating the mechanics of fights that basically don't change. There's progression, with gear as a means to an end. But beating the boss is the real achieve. Unless you're a top 10% arena player, PvP is about getting gear so you can destroy lesser geared/skilled players. If it doesn't matter what you wear into PvP environs, then it's pointless to spend time farming conquest to get better gear. Blizz has gone overboard placating the whiners that go into PvP with PvE gear (usually even crap PvE gear at that) and cry about getting destroyed by people that PvP all the time and have uber gear to show for it. Devaluing the benefits of PvP gear is just taking away the incentive to do it in the first place.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Chunes » Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:45 am

Preach stubble.

The really silly thing is that you can farm the honor set in less than a week if you put your mind to it. Hell, you don't even have to BG to do it. Just kill the Krasarang rares every hour for a quick 700+ honor.

Once you have the honor gear, you are already at the top of the bell curve in terms of gear (i.e. median, you should rape about as much as you get raped). Honestly from what I've been able to tell so far, the difference between Malevolent and Tyrannical (honor vs. conquest) is not as great as the difference between Contenders and Malevolent (crafted blues vs welfare honor purps). Sure, a Tyrannical-geared char will beat me, but they won't straight up delete me. If I (as a full malev +2pc tyr) go up against someone rocking contenders, I'll shit on them.

If they wanted to fix the issue quickly with minimal impact, just buff the damn contender gear so it's not as effective as quest greens relative to the power of the two other pvp sets...
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby halabar » Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:55 am

Blizz giveth and taketh away...

They nerfed low-level pet battles (lvl 5 and under) so if you are gonna farm lesser charms, you need to be out in the world to do it.

They are getting rather twitchy with the changes lately...
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby halabar » Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:57 am

Stubblerump wrote:Devaluing the benefits of PvP gear is just taking away the incentive to do it in the first place.


Yep. As a scrub I expect to get slammed.

I think they're trying to increase participation. Those efforts usually lead to alienation.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Bellanka » Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:59 am

halabar wrote:Blizz giveth and taketh away...

They nerfed low-level pet battles (lvl 5 and under) so if you are gonna farm lesser charms, you need to be out in the world to do it.

They are getting rather twitchy with the changes lately...


=|

Is this on live, or still on PTR? If it's still PTR, I need to cap lesser charms on two toons.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Chunes » Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:01 am

halabar wrote:Blizz giveth and taketh away...

They nerfed low-level pet battles (lvl 5 and under) so if you are gonna farm lesser charms, you need to be out in the world to do it.

They are getting rather twitchy with the changes lately...



haha well, there goes my only incentive to play pokemon.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Teranoid » Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:30 am

Yeah god forbid instead of standing around in Stormwind you'll have to stand around in Stranglethorn instead.

Rough life.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Bellanka » Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:36 am

Teranoid wrote:Yeah god forbid instead of standing around in Stormwind you'll have to stand around in Stranglethorn instead.

Rough life.


Horde side on an Alliance dominated PVP server. If you go out and about not in PVP gear don't expect it to end well. Even if you do put PVP gear on, it doesn't really matter when it's 3+v1. It's the biggest reason I dislike doing dailies.

I mean, god forbid I'd prefer to run around the home city while waiting on LFR queues instead of having 5 people jump on me and camp my corpse. Eff me, right? =|
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Flex » Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:40 am

Having the Lesser Charms reward be based on the players level only was a bad idea to begin with as it should have be both player and pet level.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Chunes » Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:44 am

Bellanka wrote:
Teranoid wrote:Yeah god forbid instead of standing around in Stormwind you'll have to stand around in Stranglethorn instead.

Rough life.


Horde side on an Alliance dominated PVP server. If you go out and about not in PVP gear don't expect it to end well. Even if you do put PVP gear on, it doesn't really matter when it's 3+v1. It's the biggest reason I dislike doing dailies.

I mean, god forbid I'd prefer to run around the home city while waiting on LFR queues instead of having 5 people jump on me and camp my corpse. Eff me, right? =|



Don't worry, in 5.3 you'll be able to tank them with your 65% base resil!
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Teranoid » Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:45 am

You want extra chances at loot that's what you have to do. Getting these isn't supposed to be effortless (and yes standing in a city murdering lvl 1 pets with a lvl 25 is effortless).

The fact that people still think Blizz is just going to let them sit in town all day like in Cata when this entire expansion has been about being out in the world amazes me.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Bellanka » Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:51 am

Chunes wrote:
Bellanka wrote:
Teranoid wrote:Yeah god forbid instead of standing around in Stormwind you'll have to stand around in Stranglethorn instead.

Rough life.


Horde side on an Alliance dominated PVP server. If you go out and about not in PVP gear don't expect it to end well. Even if you do put PVP gear on, it doesn't really matter when it's 3+v1. It's the biggest reason I dislike doing dailies.

I mean, god forbid I'd prefer to run around the home city while waiting on LFR queues instead of having 5 people jump on me and camp my corpse. Eff me, right? =|



Don't worry, in 5.3 you'll be able to tank them with your 65% base resil!


Hold them off until help arrives. I can see it now.

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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Chunes » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:20 am

Teranoid wrote:You want extra chances at loot that's what you have to do. Getting these isn't supposed to be effortless (and yes standing in a city murdering lvl 1 pets with a lvl 25 is effortless).

The fact that people still think Blizz is just going to let them sit in town all day like in Cata when this entire expansion has been about being out in the world amazes me.


I think this actually hits the core of why I no longer participate in the PvE loot and scoot. Everyone moans about how much they loathe the dailies, how little loot they get from whatever it is they are doing and in general, how grindy everything seems to be.

My philosophy coming back to the game is this: If you're not having fun doing it, why the fuck are you doing it in the first place?

I've had more fun reading the quest text, exploring nooks and crannies of the game world, PvP'ing and doing old content than I ever did in the dying throes of my raiding career through the end of wrath and through the first tier of cata raids.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby halabar » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:20 am

Bellanka wrote:
halabar wrote:Blizz giveth and taketh away...

They nerfed low-level pet battles (lvl 5 and under) so if you are gonna farm lesser charms, you need to be out in the world to do it.

They are getting rather twitchy with the changes lately...


=|

Is this on live, or still on PTR? If it's still PTR, I need to cap lesser charms on two toons.


Live, supposedly it was a hotfix. There is no real cap on lesser charms.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Bellanka » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:33 am

halabar wrote:
Bellanka wrote:
halabar wrote:Blizz giveth and taketh away...

They nerfed low-level pet battles (lvl 5 and under) so if you are gonna farm lesser charms, you need to be out in the world to do it.

They are getting rather twitchy with the changes lately...


=|

Is this on live, or still on PTR? If it's still PTR, I need to cap lesser charms on two toons.


Live, supposedly it was a hotfix. There is no real cap on lesser charms.


I thought they capped at 999?
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Daeva001 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:35 am

Need another 9 in there. 9999.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Fetzie » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:20 pm

Daeva001 wrote:Need another 9 in there. 9999.

Limit was 1,000,000 from 5.1 until 5.2, when they removed the cap completely.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Teranoid » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:54 pm

Chunes wrote:
Teranoid wrote:You want extra chances at loot that's what you have to do. Getting these isn't supposed to be effortless (and yes standing in a city murdering lvl 1 pets with a lvl 25 is effortless).

The fact that people still think Blizz is just going to let them sit in town all day like in Cata when this entire expansion has been about being out in the world amazes me.


I think this actually hits the core of why I no longer participate in the PvE loot and scoot. Everyone moans about how much they loathe the dailies, how little loot they get from whatever it is they are doing and in general, how grindy everything seems to be.

My philosophy coming back to the game is this: If you're not having fun doing it, why the fuck are you doing it in the first place?



Hit the nail on the head.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby bldavis » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:05 pm

Teranoid wrote:You want extra chances at loot that's what you have to do. Getting these isn't supposed to be effortless (and yes standing in a city murdering lvl 1 pets with a lvl 25 is effortless).

The fact that people still think Blizz is just going to let them sit in town all day like in Cata when this entire expansion has been about being out in the world amazes me.

it has to be a pet that can get xp from the battle, so at most lvl 6 anywhere on your team..so not quite as effortless (you have to switch pets around every 15 min or so)

and honestly, in cata we did just sit in town
hit dungeon queues, wait for someone from our raid to go to the raid and use have group will travel,
the only time i left SW was for molten front dailies and to farm ..and occasionally tol barad dailies
i spend more time outside of a city now with my farm, having to go to the lightning forge to craft the new bs gear, and having to be in the silken fields to make imperial silk...plus all the dailies and warbringer farming i do
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby halabar » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:56 pm

bldavis wrote:it has to be a pet that can get xp from the battle, so at most lvl 6 anywhere on your team..so not quite as effortless (you have to switch pets around every 15 min or so)


That is the part that got nerfed. You need to get out into the wilds to earn charms apparently, which will get annoying if you are trying to grind for a pile of charms.
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