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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Fenrìr » Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:57 am

So speculation on it dropping? 1 month?
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Fenris » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:38 am

Flex wrote:
Fenris wrote:Seriosly,this time he just sounds stupid.

"The only reason to have a tank in pvp is to carry a flag,so we are making it so that other specs are as viable as they are"


Pretty sure Chunes just about sums it up about why this is being done.

People not focussing healers make wonders for anyone ability to survive 2+ ganks

By the way,from today update

Glyph of the Battle Healer now heals a nearby injured friendly target, excluding the Paladin, for 20% of damage dealt while Seal of Insight is active, down from 30%.

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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby halabar » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:33 pm

Woot! #1

Leveling XP from 85-90 reduced by 33%. Perfect timing for the gnomelockproject.

Woot! #2

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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby bldavis » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:05 pm

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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Teranoid » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:09 pm

halabar wrote:Leveling XP from 85-90 reduced by 33%.


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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby fuzzygeek » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:47 pm

halabar wrote:Mogu Runes of Failbag cost reduced to 50 Lesser Charms.


Wow. I farmed 640 charms this weekend via pet battles. Nice to know I've got enough to last out the expansion!
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby econ21 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:54 pm

Fenris wrote:By the way,from today update

Glyph of the Battle Healer now heals a nearby injured friendly target, excluding the Paladin, for 20% of damage dealt while Seal of Insight is active, down from 30%.


Oh well, I always thought that glyph was ridiculously overpowered.

Have they announced a nerf to sacred shield yet? That does the most healing for me, sometimes putting my total healing ahead of a healer (e.g. on Horridon 10N).

I'm no expert, but it seems that we are just too good at the moment. If a palatank is a tank plus half a healer, and can often solo tank bosses due to bubbles etc, why bring any other tank? It's not like we are any more squishy or lower dps to compensate - if anything we have higher effective health and more "smooth" damage intake than other tanks.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby benebarba » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:02 pm

econ21 wrote:
Fenris wrote:By the way,from today update

Glyph of the Battle Healer now heals a nearby injured friendly target, excluding the Paladin, for 20% of damage dealt while Seal of Insight is active, down from 30%.


Oh well, I always thought that glyph was ridiculously overpowered.

Have they announced a nerf to sacred shield yet? That does the most healing for me, sometimes putting my total healing ahead of a healer (e.g. on Horridon 10N).

I'm no expert, but it seems that we are just too good at the moment. If a palatank is a tank plus half a healer, and can often solo tank bosses due to bubbles etc, why bring any other tank? It's not like we are any more squishy or lower dps to compensate - if anything we have higher effective health and more "smooth" damage intake than other tanks.


I'd say that glyph *still is* overpowered. It's free healing (and lets not forget the aggro), that if I am not mistaken, isn't available to other classes. I'm amazed they haven't locked us out from it entirely (say by nerfing it ala censure).

I actually think the escalated quickly is meant as sarcasm (that's how I took it)... as it only took 3 patches to realize what we figured out when the expansion dropped.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Worldie » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:33 pm

Problem with pala tanks is that they are a tank who does more dps than most DPS, and almost the same healing as a healer. Basically 3 characters in 1.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby benebarba » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:41 pm

Worldie wrote:Problem with pala tanks is that they are a tank who does more dps than most DPS while getting smacked around by a raid boss, and almost the same healing as a healer. Basically 3 characters in 1.



FTFY. The pally off-tank that isn't getting any vengence is still doing craptacular damage.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby bldavis » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:44 pm

lesser charm change now hotfix

im just gonna leave this here
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Worldie » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:47 pm

Yes, what I meant is that other tanks don't do that much DPS while tanking

Also, can someone help me understanding this kind of patch changes
Revival now has a healing cap of 15 raid members (up from 6) when used in a 25-player instance.

I don't understand, my monk's Revival (and my priest VE which has similar change) heal all 25 members, when did they get a 6 player cap O_O?
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Fenris » Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:44 am

Worldie wrote:Problem with pala tanks is that they are a tank who does more dps than most DPS, and almost the same healing as a healer. Basically 3 characters in 1.

Well,that's not only paladins

Might be because i used control/mastery instead of control/haste up to...today,but my monk co-tank sits easily above me for dps and really close on healing.

Always.

I'd say that glyph *still is* overpowered. It's free healing (and lets not forget the aggro), that if I am not mistaken, isn't available to other classes.

Black ox statue and blood parasites

We get our "free raid healing" via the glyph,druids and warriors are left in the cold,if i'm not missing anything
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Rhiannon » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:55 am

Worldie wrote:Yes, what I meant is that other tanks don't do that much DPS while tanking


Playing with bad tanks then. In any situation where paladin tanks do spectactular damage, so will any other tank if placed in similar circumstances. Prot warriors and possibly dks are a little behind, but nothing major. The main thing is prot paladins can solo tank a lot of fights without the need for external HoPs, so they appear to be doing more than other tanks would do, simply because the other tanks require tank swaps and so lose vengeance. But there's examples of each tank doing ~300k dps on horridon 25 heroic, or ~400k on tortos 10 heroic, just requires external HoPs for non-paladins on horridon and misdirects and external cds on tortos.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Winkle » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:02 am

The problem isn't the glyph, the problem is that the gearing strategy adopted by most paladins wasn't what blizzard expected during development of MoP.

With haste stacking we're doing more damage and consequently producing more healing.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:36 am

Winkle wrote:The problem isn't the glyph, the problem is that the gearing strategy adopted by most paladins wasn't what blizzard expected during development of MoP.

With haste stacking we're doing more damage and consequently producing more healing.


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I dunno, maybe if they had listened to what the paladin community was saying back in the beta...
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Fenrìr » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:17 am

Klaudandus wrote:I dunno, maybe if they had listened to what the paladin community was saying back in the beta...



Blizzard listen to the PALADIN community?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ROFL :lol: :lol: :lol:

please stop, you're making my sides hurt from laughing so hard.


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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Fetzie » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:40 am

Klaud should sign up for stand-up comedy
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:17 am

I represent Forum Hyperbole for a reason. =P

But seriously, hasn't Theck predicted several things that only Blizz finds out much later? I dunno... like Chill of the Throne, or Paladins waning, but still be good, towards the end of cata since we hit the 102.4% block cap in firelands... or, you know... Haste in MOP?

I know they listen to Theck, but at the same time, they seem to be in a sort of echo chamber in their office where they just repeat of a mantra "we're most likely right this time around"
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby benebarba » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:26 am

Klaudandus wrote:I represent Forum Hyperbole for a reason. =P

But seriously, hasn't Theck predicted several things that only Blizz finds out much later? I dunno... like Chill of the Throne, or Paladins waning, but still be good, towards the end of cata since we hit the 102.4% block cap in firelands... or, you know... Haste in MOP?

I know they listen to Theck, but at the same time, they seem to be in a sort of echo chamber in their office where they just repeat of a mantra "we're most likely right this time around"


The trouble with asking good designers to find a flaw in their design is that they never would have made it in the first place if they thought it was bad design.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:38 am

Yeah, I remember we talked about echo-chamber effect within blizz when discussing their hiring policies, and the danger it poses.

I'm thinking this is just a(nother) symptom of it.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby fuzzygeek » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:47 am

I blame Treckie. 305k DPS/90k HPS on Ra-Den.
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby benebarba » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:49 am

Fenrìr wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:I dunno, maybe if they had listened to what the paladin community was saying back in the beta...



Blizzard listen to the PALADIN community?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ROFL :lol: :lol: :lol:

please stop, you're making my sides hurt from laughing so hard.


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Oh, they listen, and when they find out we are playing ret, they nerf it and buff warriors just to be sure :P
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Sagara » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:54 am

Well, we could discuss our own campaign for 3sec CS back in beta Cata, and just how well that went, but you'd call me mean :-p
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Re: Patch 5.3 Notes

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:58 am

Well, that worked. So its not like they are completely deaf. But the haste issue was pretty egregious.

Reminds me of the 2012 romney campaign with theck as nate silver, and blizz as karl rove
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