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patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:15 am
by oldboyz
hi there

MOP launch : 3 raid in a row
then 5.1 bringuing humm... quite nothing except more dailies :evil:

i've yet to read any info about 5.2 new content HL : it is quite strange to me to have no estimation at all about the future
quite disturbing compared to Cata : our progression speed was planned according to patch&nerf


how you feel it?

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:55 am
by Zalaria
What they did in Mists is split the non-raid stuff from the raids in regards to patches. Think if Firelands was a different patch from Molten Front; that's what they're going for. 5.2 will be the next tier of raids, but beyond that the only thing we know is they're planning an Ulduar/ICC style single raid with lots of bosses.

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:13 am
by halabar
They've said recently that in 5.2 there will be a new raid instance, on the scale and quality of Ulduar.

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:00 pm
by bldavis
the pattern should follow for the rest of the xpack too
5.3 will be more dailies/set up for T16, with 5.4 bringing T16 and the possible final raid of MoP

in cata we had dungeons in 4.1, raid and dailies in 4.2, and raid/dungeons in 4.3
not that much different from now other than the addition of scenarios and spreading out content over more patches so we arent going OMG NEW RAID AND NEW REPS! WHAT TO DO! now we get to go OO NEW STORY! a few months later OO NEW RAID! another few months OO MORE NEW STORY! etc

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:18 pm
by econ21
oldboyz wrote: our progression speed was planned according to patch&nerf


I'm quite glad they are not nerfing (yet). My guild has been very slow to get going with raiding - we've only raided 3 times and killed 3 bosses - and it would be good to have the time to have a shot at a good chunk of the raids pre-nerf. [I may be singing a different tune when we reach Elegon, as I gather he's a stiff dps check.]

For the same reason, I'm glad there's no raid in 5.1, as that would tend to make the existing three raids obsolete. I'm not in a hurry for 5.2, although the 5.1 stuff was well timed for me as I had finished the launch rep grinds. I like the intermittent story quests as you go through the dailies - it's something I think MMOs should do more, unravel stories over time and create events, rather than leave the world static.

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:35 am
by Lastwolf
They said there are not offering catch up epic gear anymore, so it might be worth it to do the older raids for gearing should you at one point have sufficient numbers of ungeared new recruits.

The mentioned that they might not necessarily nerf the 5.0 raids when or before 5.2 drops.

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:48 am
by Nooska
With a TBC-esque model for gear (boosted by lfr) I think thay would nerf Elegon as you wouldn't be farming for a long time, and the easiest way may be to implement the zone-wide nerf.

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:55 am
by KysenMurrin
They've suggested that 5.2 gear might not be upgradeable until 5.3. I would not at all be surprised if they add new valor gear in 5.2.

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:52 am
by oldboyz
@econ21 : what i mean is that i was able to speed&stretch just enought my raid to have the kills before nerf. Other than that, our priorities is fun, alt & mix raid

right now, my raid is MV 6/6 (was 4/6 2 week ago) and fresh 2/6 HoF
are we late on schedule, still ahead of normal ? no clue...

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:36 pm
by Orthien
Im quite happy with this new patch system they have. Not trying to cram everything into one big patch means stuff can come out closer to when its ready rather than waiting on something else to join it.
Also keeps things from getting to dull by breaking up those big gaps we used to have.

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:14 am
by Mannstein
Finally a question i can aswer:
oldboyz wrote:are we late on schedule, still ahead of normal ? no clue...

Is your guild complaining with lack of kills and poor performance? Behind Schedulle
Is your guild complaining with lack of time, too much pressure? Ahead of Schedulle
Are your guild happy and having FUN? Bingo, You are on schedulle...

TL:DR: It's a fck game, have fun, the only schedulle you should have is for work...

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:09 pm
by Nooska
But... I don't work, and Wow is my primary form of entertainment (reaD: I play several hours a day to passs time).

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:24 am
by Mannstein
Nooska wrote:But... I don't work, and Wow is my primary form of entertainment (reaD: I play several hours a day to passs time).

Right...
So if you play Wow as a form of entertainement why do you need to have a schedulle? :P

Was there any rummor on when the nerfs start hitting the raids? I do hope that if they are they only start in MV.
We are still struggling to clear the second raid.

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:44 am
by Nooska
My impression is that they aren't nerfing - that the gear upgrades (supposedly) work the same way, and that they are removing the FoS/achievements for killing end bosses heroic without nerf enabled.
supposedly becaus it doesn't make the raids any easier, and the progression is indeed slowed a lot by upgrades eequiring VP, and with only 4 upgrades available per 3 weeks.

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:51 am
by Sagara
What might happen is nerfs in the very final patch, because there will be less opportunities to upgrade stuff.

Then again, maybe not.

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:50 am
by oldboyz
@mannstein : Lead need objective arguments
-some will always find we are not fast enought - the more stress, the more fun
-other will always find there is no stress and all fine (and find LFR a good fun)

for the moment, my only comparaison point is wowprogress (but can't be use as a safe repository, it is relative)

during Cata, i was able to please everyone in my guild
MOP is more complicated

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:19 am
by Sagara
Image

yay \o/

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:52 am
by Nooska
We better get a move on....
PTR early jan means expected launch late feb, early march.

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:31 am
by Passionario
I keep expecting to see XT-002 marching through that courtyard. The resemblance is uncanny.

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:34 am
by Fenrìr
Hm...so will the raid be situated in Townlong or Kun-Lai...HRM...

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:35 am
by KysenMurrin
There's no huge structure like that on the known parts of Pandaria. I suspect they'll open up the island just off the map.

By the way, any idea how many tiers we'll get this expac? Cata felt kinda small with only 3.

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:17 am
by Fenrìr
But that's not saying they won't 'construct' it for 5.2. However an island is a good thought.

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:44 am
by Newsom
Fenrìr wrote:Hm...so will the raid be situated in Townlong or Kun-Lai...HRM...


It'll be on the Thunder Isle north of Townlong (you can see it if you zoom out to the overview Pandaria map).

It was called the "Zandalari Island" on alpha/blizzcon map scetches so I wouldn't be surprised if the Zandalari are involved heavily. Maybe an old god at the end? :D

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:58 am
by KysenMurrin
Wonder how they're going to maintain the Alliance/Horde conflict during a "kill the Mogu/Trolls" tier. Hope they do something interesting with it - perhaps the Thunder King could have more Sha weapons that Garrosh wants, and the raid becomes a race to secure/destroy them.

Re: patch 5.2 ?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:23 am
by Nooska
Well right now we have a "kill tha mogu/mantid and a troll" tier.