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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby fuzzygeek » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:08 am

Klaudandus wrote:I sure hope so. It was annoying to die in garalon several times when his health was below 5% when he hit enrage


I'm wondering if that's the case as well. Looking at the first three fights it seems like there's still a lot of soft enrage mechanics.

Boss 1: kill boss before room turns into shit and you die.
Boss 2: kill all the things before you get overwhelmed by adds or giant dinosaur enrages and eats your raid.
Boss 3: break empowerment before raid gets AOE to death, while also dealing with ten other mechanics.

These look like fun, active fights, but I don't know that they fit into the "do mechanics and you can do boss" paradigm.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Nooska » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:12 am

Qeeze wrote:My prediction, the next patch will be about lore and so on, and the next raid will probably be released in August or September.

Well on the 2 month cycle T16 should release in early July. Thats the summer, and the tradeoff between some people ( mainly the kids) having a lot of time, and some people bbeing away for summer holidys, make it plausible that its in augist. But that also means that we will have 4 tiers this expansion or run into the 6+ month final tier - even with 5.5 added in with story etc, we still don't have any idea when they will announce next expansion (smart money is on blizzcon), and then there is the beta which historically takes some months (The last one I had access to for almost 6 months prior to release).

So unless they are going to be going wit "mini-expansions" in terms of new stuff, I think T15 will be dragged out to at least september (3 month cycle x 2 for 2 patches) and an announcement at blizzcon with the last story patch in early december, and beta starting in early feb next year - and then hoping the beta will keep "us" occupied without a new raid tier. (Doesn't sound too exciting though)
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Flex » Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:43 am

Nooska wrote:Well on the 2 month cycle T16 should release in early July.


There will be a small patch about 3 months from now with new storylines about the Horde and Alliance, then a few months after that will be a new raid tier. So this will be about 6 months of this raid content.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby djlar » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:11 pm

I predict yet another "legendary gem" for next patch, what about necks? I'm surprise no neck piece has a gem slot, aren't necklaces ideal for a huge gem hanging in?
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby halabar » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:33 pm

Nooska wrote:It will leave people trying to gear up hopelessly behnd, because LFR is the stated catch-up mechanism, to have an ilvl worthy of being recruited into a T15 guild (or gods forbid, trying to gear up to start raiding as a group) and be able to do more than see the first three bosse son normal (per teh statements out there from designers), you need quite a bit of gear above ilvl 500 - and considering the only gear above ilvl 500 is from T14H, T15N, T15L and the rep you gain in T15, its just a brick wall to trying to gear up. Now I wouldn't have a big issue for gearing Nooska, but so help me if I wanted to gear up either Morosin or Niisca, yikes...


Yep, totally. As I said before, just looking at my current raid team, which still has plenty of blues, it will take quite a while to get to where everyone is 500+.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby halabar » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:34 pm

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Qeeze wrote:My prediction, the next patch will be about lore and so on, and the next raid will probably be released in August or September.

Well on the 2 month cycle T16 should release in early July. Thats the summer, and the tradeoff between some people ( mainly the kids) having a lot of time, and some people bbeing away for summer holidys, make it plausible that its in augist. But that also means that we will have 4 tiers this expansion or run into the 6+ month final tier - even with 5.5 added in with story etc, we still don't have any idea when they will announce next expansion (smart money is on blizzcon), and then there is the beta which historically takes some months (The last one I had access to for almost 6 months prior to release).

So unless they are going to be going wit "mini-expansions" in terms of new stuff, I think T15 will be dragged out to at least september (3 month cycle x 2 for 2 patches) and an announcement at blizzcon with the last story patch in early december, and beta starting in early feb next year - and then hoping the beta will keep "us" occupied without a new raid tier. (Doesn't sound too exciting though)


Sounds about right.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:49 pm

In the interviews last week it was mentioned that patch 5.3 will start to bring the story back to the Horde and Alliance rather than about Pandaria, and 5.4 would be Orgrimmar. They also said they were trying to avoid the extra-long wait between the last tier and next expansion. But the timing of Blizzcon so late in the year doesn't seem well placed for an announcement unless the gap is gonna be just as big as normal.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Lieris » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:12 pm

Teranoid wrote:It's almost cringeworthy reading the R&D forums with people claiming Blizzard is treating them like "second class citizens" because they're not unleashing the entire raid in LFR today.

The ignorance of this playerbase never ceases to amaze me. This really IS the entitlement generation.


I see nothing has changed.

If they unlocked LFR today these same people would be making topics next month complaining about having seen all the content and being bored already. If they want to see the thunder king raid nothing is stopping them doing it on normal but if they just want to do LFR then that's their problem.

Also unless something has changed since I last played, ANYONE can make the step up to real raiding if they can demonstrate that they have made the most of the gear available to them, can write a decent application (this is still shockingly rare) and semi-decent conversational skills when an officer asks questions. They are deluding themselves if they think day one LFR is a ticket to easy catchup epics and a good guild. If a guild wants you they will gear you up on farm epics within a few resets anyway; my friend's guild is 16/16 heroic (I think I have that number right) and they recruited someone in mediocre gear a few weeks ago because he knew how to write an app, had good experience and was the right class/spec. If you can sell yourself properly it doesn't matter if you still have a few blues or whatever, it really isn't that important.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby halabar » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:18 pm

Lieris wrote:If they unlocked LFR today these same people would be making topics next month complaining about having seen all the content and being bored already.

Agreed. Complaints either way. You can't please most of the people most of the time.

Lieris wrote:They are deluding themselves if they think day one LFR is a ticket to easy catchup epics and a good guild.


I don't think that was the point we were making.. the issue is still the work involved in catchup, assuming you don't have a already well geared group to drag you through. As I mentioned before, my raid team is going to need to do a lot before they are ready for N T15.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Flex » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:25 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:But the timing of Blizzcon so late in the year doesn't seem well placed for an announcement unless the gap is gonna be just as big as normal.


I'm gonna guess the big things will be 1) Starcraft 2 Protoss campaign information 2) Next WoW expansion 3) Diablo 3's first expansion 4) First systems preview of Titan
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Fenrìr » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:29 pm

KysenMurrin wrote: They also said they were trying to avoid the extra-long wait between the last tier and next expansion. But the timing of Blizzcon so late in the year doesn't seem well placed for an announcement unless the gap is gonna be just as big as normal.



They've been saying that for how many expansions now?
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby halabar » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:29 pm

Flex wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:But the timing of Blizzcon so late in the year doesn't seem well placed for an announcement unless the gap is gonna be just as big as normal.


I'm gonna guess the big things will be 1) Starcraft 2 Protoss campaign information 2) Next WoW expansion 3) Diablo 3's first expansion 4) First systems preview of Titan


Would be amazing (and nice) if we get all 4 of those...
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Lieris » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:32 pm

halabar wrote:I don't think that was the point we were making.. the issue is still the work involved in catchup, assuming you don't have a already well geared group to drag you through. As I mentioned before, my raid team is going to need to do a lot before they are ready for N T15.


Nooska brought up recruitment and making the step up to proper raiding so I addressed that specifically. I appreciate LFR would help your guild but isn't there a bunch of new rep and badge gear too? I can't pretend to know what it's like for your guild but overall I think LFR is harmful enough for normal guilds in terms of player pool for recruitment, having it super early like with Dragon Soul (*spit*) would hurt guilds like yours even more.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Koatanga » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:34 pm

Lieris wrote:
Teranoid wrote:It's almost cringeworthy reading the R&D forums with people claiming Blizzard is treating them like "second class citizens" because they're not unleashing the entire raid in LFR today.

The ignorance of this playerbase never ceases to amaze me. This really IS the entitlement generation.


I see nothing has changed.

If they unlocked LFR today these same people would be making topics next month complaining about having seen all the content and being bored already. If they want to see the thunder king raid nothing is stopping them doing it on normal but if they just want to do LFR then that's their problem.

Also unless something has changed since I last played, ANYONE can make the step up to real raiding if they can demonstrate that they have made the most of the gear available to them, can write a decent application (this is still shockingly rare) and semi-decent conversational skills when an officer asks questions. They are deluding themselves if they think day one LFR is a ticket to easy catchup epics and a good guild. If a guild wants you they will gear you up on farm epics within a few resets anyway; my friend's guild is 16/16 heroic (I think I have that number right) and they recruited someone in mediocre gear a few weeks ago because he knew how to write an app, had good experience and was the right class/spec. If you can sell yourself properly it doesn't matter if you still have a few blues or whatever, it really isn't that important.


Of course the other side of the coin is that the upper-tier raiders feel entitled to see the content before everyone else for some reason known only to them.

What is the compelling reason that only the top tier should have access to the new raid for any length of time? From my perspective, I say they are the ones feeling entitlement.

I gave up top-tier raiding because I got tired of dealing with the asshats, loot whores, and drama queens. I can keep up with the work at that level, but the people were crap. I'm in a better place now, but the down side is we're stuck in Heart of Fear because some people can't handle certain mechanics. The only way I get to see Terrace is LFR. I'd like to see the new raid instance, but I understand the Entitled Ones get first dibs on it before we mere rank-and-file should be allowed.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Koatanga » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:39 pm

Lieris wrote:
halabar wrote:I don't think that was the point we were making.. the issue is still the work involved in catchup, assuming you don't have a already well geared group to drag you through. As I mentioned before, my raid team is going to need to do a lot before they are ready for N T15.


Nooska brought up recruitment and making the step up to proper raiding so I addressed that specifically. I appreciate LFR would help your guild but isn't there a bunch of new rep and badge gear too? I can't pretend to know what it's like for your guild but overall I think LFR is harmful enough for normal guilds in terms of player pool for recruitment, having it super early like with Dragon Soul (*spit*) would hurt guilds like yours even more.


I can't speak for Nooska, but the rep and badge gear is for the people who enjoy the endless dailies it takes to get it. I don't have the time during the weekdays because I work and have a family. If I could grind the rep on weekends I would be a lot further along gear-wise than I am, but I can only run the allotted number of dailies each weekend day and I really don't enjoy the boring repetition that they represent.

I would much rather have some variety in my WoW experience by playing an alt than to do the same things over and over every day like a carnival chicken plucking corn off a keyboard.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Lieris » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:45 pm

Koatanga wrote:
Lieris wrote:
halabar wrote:I don't think that was the point we were making.. the issue is still the work involved in catchup, assuming you don't have a already well geared group to drag you through. As I mentioned before, my raid team is going to need to do a lot before they are ready for N T15.


Nooska brought up recruitment and making the step up to proper raiding so I addressed that specifically. I appreciate LFR would help your guild but isn't there a bunch of new rep and badge gear too? I can't pretend to know what it's like for your guild but overall I think LFR is harmful enough for normal guilds in terms of player pool for recruitment, having it super early like with Dragon Soul (*spit*) would hurt guilds like yours even more.


I can't speak for Nooska, but the rep and badge gear is for the people who enjoy the endless dailies it takes to get it. I don't have the time during the weekdays because I work and have a family. If I could grind the rep on weekends I would be a lot further along gear-wise than I am, but I can only run the allotted number of dailies each weekend day and I really don't enjoy the boring repetition that they represent.

I would much rather have some variety in my WoW experience by playing an alt than to do the same things over and over every day like a carnival chicken plucking corn off a keyboard.


I totally respect that, I feel the same way and it's one of the reasons why if I do raid again, it won't be in a hardcore min/maxer group. I love the tanking-healing-DPS gameplay of raids and dungeons and that's ALL I want to do in WoW. Tedious farming of consumables and the constant treadmill of boring easy dailies is not my idea of fun. Some weeks I only have time to (or only want to) login for raids. That was possible in Cata but min/max MOP raiding requires too much upkeep that I simply do not want to do.

I disagree with you on the whole entitlement thing but that argument has been done to death so I won't rehash it.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby halabar » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:54 pm

Lieris wrote:
halabar wrote:I don't think that was the point we were making.. the issue is still the work involved in catchup, assuming you don't have a already well geared group to drag you through. As I mentioned before, my raid team is going to need to do a lot before they are ready for N T15.


Nooska brought up recruitment and making the step up to proper raiding so I addressed that specifically. I appreciate LFR would help your guild but isn't there a bunch of new rep and badge gear too? I can't pretend to know what it's like for your guild but overall I think LFR is harmful enough for normal guilds in terms of player pool for recruitment, having it super early like with Dragon Soul (*spit*) would hurt guilds like yours even more.


Part of the new valor gear is blocked behind the raid rep, which is the biggest thing. Those who can hit those raids will get the raid rep fast, and quickly get into that gear. Those who are going to rely on LFR to get that raid rep to start will fall behind for a while.

The LFR gear itself isn't as much as help, since it's 502 vs 522 for the raid rep. The faction rep gear is only 496, so that's still on 5.1 level.

So for a raid team to get to a ilvl 500ish across the board is going to be a real challenge in some cases.

However...

I do also agree releasing it too fast is a problem as well, as people will burn out on LFR long before they actually see the normal raids. So it's a Catch-22. Do you risk boredom/burnout, or do you stretch out the community too far, and risk the BC-era guild/raid-team jumping as the better players who can put in more time start hopping up the guild ladder?

Note: I do actually prefer this method of stretching things out a bit. But I also see the potential consequences.

It will be interesting to see the impact on the overall community as some guilds are clearing heroic T15 while others are still working on N T14. It's been a while since we had that kind of spread (really, not since BC, with Kara/Trolls/BT). Ever since then, everyone was pushed into the new tier. In the past we also had new heroics (such as the redone Trolls) to help bridge the gap for the undergeared, but we don't have that this time.

As I mentioned, within my own raid team, which is part of a massive guild (3000+ toons), I imagine we'll loose some that want to hit the new content (but likely aren't ready for it), especially among the newer players. But time will tell...

Key thing probably will be just how much the "improved drop rates" will help.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby fuzzygeek » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:58 pm

halabar wrote:Key thing probably will be just how much the "improved drop rates" will help.


Would've been nice if they improved drop rates in T14 normal and heroics as well.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby halabar » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:02 pm

fuzzygeek wrote:
halabar wrote:Key thing probably will be just how much the "improved drop rates" will help.


Would've been nice if they improved drop rates in T14 normal and heroics as well.


Yeah, those drop rates won't help me since I don't have any elder coins, and would not have bought them anyway. Boosting the actual drops in the raids would be preferred.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Darielle » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:10 pm

Of course the other side of the coin is that the upper-tier raiders feel entitled to see the content before everyone else for some reason known only to them.

What is the compelling reason that only the top tier should have access to the new raid for any length of time? From my perspective, I say they are the ones feeling entitlement.


Uh.

The reason Blizzard feel the "need" to do the gating is that with LFR off the bat, they still haven't successfully been able to make it so that "upper-tier raiders" are not incentivised to go into LFR as well.

The exact reason they cited for why Ra'den LFR will be "later than usual" is because they expect Ra'Den Normal to take a while, and they don't want that to be diminished by people having already farmed Ra'Den for weeks when they actually get to him and kill him.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:15 pm

Think you mean Lei Shen there. Ra-den is the heroic-only boss.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Darielle » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:27 pm

Yeah, that.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Koatanga » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:02 pm

Darielle wrote:
Of course the other side of the coin is that the upper-tier raiders feel entitled to see the content before everyone else for some reason known only to them.

What is the compelling reason that only the top tier should have access to the new raid for any length of time? From my perspective, I say they are the ones feeling entitlement.


Uh.

The reason Blizzard feel the "need" to do the gating is that with LFR off the bat, they still haven't successfully been able to make it so that "upper-tier raiders" are not incentivised to go into LFR as well.

The exact reason they cited for why Ra'den LFR will be "later than usual" is because they expect Ra'Den Normal to take a while, and they don't want that to be diminished by people having already farmed Ra'Den for weeks when they actually get to him and kill him.


They don't "have to" farm LFR any more than casuals "have to" to the rep grinds and dailies. People have been telling me all along how if I didn't like dailies and rep grinds I don't have to do them. Well, if people want their kill to be fresh, they don't have to do LFR and burn themselves out on it, do they?

The fact that doing LFR is practically mandatory if you want to progress is irrelevant, because the rep/badge gear is practically mandatory if casuals want to progress. In both cases people are incentivised to do things they don't want to do, so I reckon the same advice applies to both cases. Don't like it? Just don't do it. Problem solved - or at least that's what I've been told.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Worldie » Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:07 pm

halabar wrote:It will be interesting to see the impact on the overall community as some guilds are clearing heroic T15 while others are still working on N T14. It's been a while since we had that kind of spread (really, not since BC, with Kara/Trolls/BT). Ever since then, everyone was pushed into the new tier. In the past we also had new heroics (such as the redone Trolls) to help bridge the gap for the undergeared, but we don't have that this time.

I for one welcome this return to TBC style. I always found... weird that the old tier basically got demoted even below PuG interest when a new tier came out since heroics / pvp would grant gear that was same or higher ilvl than the previous normal tier.

I also like the new way of helping people gear up through LFR, aka pumping the loot chance to a very high level (and with the new system, no loot drama!), will mean that if you newly ding 90 on a char, maybe you won't be "last tier ready" within 1 day of dinging, but will actually have to run heroics -> previous LFR / reps -> current LFR / reps in order to access the last tier, making it still possible to reroll or gear up an alt, but not as dull and boring as it was in Wotlk/Cata, aka just spamming heroics for 7-8 hours and be done with it.
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Re: patch 5.2 ?

Postby Koatanga » Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:32 pm

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halabar wrote:It will be interesting to see the impact on the overall community as some guilds are clearing heroic T15 while others are still working on N T14. It's been a while since we had that kind of spread (really, not since BC, with Kara/Trolls/BT). Ever since then, everyone was pushed into the new tier. In the past we also had new heroics (such as the redone Trolls) to help bridge the gap for the undergeared, but we don't have that this time.

I for one welcome this return to TBC style. I always found... weird that the old tier basically got demoted even below PuG interest when a new tier came out since heroics / pvp would grant gear that was same or higher ilvl than the previous normal tier.

I also like the new way of helping people gear up through LFR, aka pumping the loot chance to a very high level (and with the new system, no loot drama!), will mean that if you newly ding 90 on a char, maybe you won't be "last tier ready" within 1 day of dinging, but will actually have to run heroics -> previous LFR / reps -> current LFR / reps in order to access the last tier, making it still possible to reroll or gear up an alt, but not as dull and boring as it was in Wotlk/Cata, aka just spamming heroics for 7-8 hours and be done with it.

I also like the TBC model where the prior tier is still the current tier for many people. My arguments were largely a devil's advocate response to the egotistical crap about "entitlement" if we lowbies want to play with their bosses in LFR mode. We're not defective mouth-breathing morons, or at least not all of us. Some of us are just semi-retired from the hardcore life because it's largely full of drama and crap that we got tired of after years of doing it.
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