patch 5.2 ?

[Fetzie]

My 482 geared druid has nearly 100k armor in bear form, what's the cap? Isn't it something like 170k?

[Darielle]

Something like that. With Mastery increasing armour by a %, Mastery stacking could probably easily push into the 50-60% increased armour by the time we hit T16 or are deep into T16 (by Mastery skill standards, that's between 30-36 Mastery).

[Sagara]

I realised a parralel between Dodge/Parry and how Grand Crusader was so 'meh' back in early Cata.
What's funny is that right now, GC, an important HoPo generating proc, is linked to CS/HotR, which are already high-priority attacks because of their HoPo generation. Sounds a bit like overkill, no?

I like theck's idea of linking our Avoidance with GC, maybe even remove the interaction with CS/HotR. GC will remain a very random proc, but its link will "reward", or more realisticly "stop punish" Avoidance items.

Getting back to haste, the second half of the coin, I'm still of a mind of simply kicking SoB in the nuts and get back to it in 6.0 by making all tanks value crit/haste and just doing away with dodge/parry ratings.

[Worldie]

Sorry to bring it out again, but I found it funny seeing our latest discussion on the matter



edit: fixed link

[KysenMurrin]

I'm not as concerned about gear inflation this expac around. Firstly, the extra gear levels they're throwing in are smaller jumps in between or slightly above the existing ones, not full-tier jumps like they added in ToC - the most significant thing, the addition of LFR, is something they planned from the start. Secondly, they have experience of it from WotLK, and they've said they actually test stat scaling at gear levels from the likely all the way up to the ridiculous (ilevels in the thousands just to see what happens).

[Nooska]

I'm not sure what I think in regards to avoidance - it was never fun - well thats not true, it was fun back in TBC when I feraltanked all the way till we got to BT (where I turned mostly feral-dps - I have a SS of me almost breaking 1k dps in TK).

I like Sags thought about GC unlinked from CS/HotR and linked to avoidance (and have thus tweeted that suggestion specifically to GC).

On bears, am I misremembering or was armorcapping actually done by bears in BC? I seem to remember something about trying to reach the armor cap when I looked at tanking gear going for Gruul - and the badge of tenacity.

[Klaudandus]

GC being linked to pure avoidance is ugh...

[Newsom]

New blue post:

For Protection, we do have plans to try and lower the value of haste relative to dodge and parry. We don't want to make haste terrible for paladins, but we agree that it's odd for it to be better than more traditional tank stats. It might require a nerf to Shield of the Righteous to do this, but our goal is not to nerf survivability overall. We just wanted to provide you some context if you see odd changes to tanking abilities.

Time to start collecting dodge/parry gear...

[Fetzie]

Bit late to the show Newsom

[Newsom]

I thought we were going off tweets up until now?

I guess I'm mostly annoyed with this because I have to replace all of my gear if this change goes through. And I'm not sure if that will be possible with the way loot works in 10 mans currently.

[Klaudandus]

I posted that on page 26. =P

After that, its been a couple of tweets and then talking about why its not fair for frost dks that we might want their gear...

In fact, I think it was that post that got this ball rolling.

[Newsom]

My bad then. Blinded by rage?

[Klaudandus]

understandable, same happened to me in the politics thread

[Sagara]

GC being linked to pure avoidance is ugh...

My curiosity is tickled - can you write a little more about that?

[Klaudandus]

its effectiveness is proportional to the number of targets you're tanking and also affected by the lvl of your target, as a boss is less likely to be dodged/parried

if no changes are done to haste and straight go with GC coming from avoidance, it will do nothing to change our love Haste...

if changes are done to haste, we will just likely switch to straight mastery... whatever gc procs we get from avoidance will be a bonus, but not something we will likely go out of our way to seek... and dodge/parry pieces would still be insta-shards

that's the way I see it.