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So I hear there's Pandas and stuff now.

Postby Arkesh » Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:51 pm

I've just delved into the depths of my storage hard drive and opened the wow launcher for the first time since April. I've been debating about whether I should come back for months, but I've found myself increasingly want to log in and see if it is for me again now that I've had some time away with D3, ME1-3, GW2 and LoL. I'm gonna leave it updating overnight as I imagine it'll need a good 8 hours or more to complete (*grumble grumble* middle of nowhere *grumble grumble*).

I'm hoping to come back and capture some of that WoW virgin feeling from all those years ago, so I'm probably gonna start fresh on a new character, probably a new class and definitely a new role. I know if I get back into tanking that I'll end up raiding 4 nights a week and then I'll have zero free time again. I'd quite like to try healing but I'm open to anything so please recommend what you find fun.

I did have a play with the MoP beta in the early days, so I have a rough idea of the talent overhaul but other than that I don't know a whole lot about what has changed. I'll mostly be focusing on PvE, I have LoL for PvP, so it'd be great if you could fill me in on what's new and fun.

Thanks for reading.

TLDR: Gonna give MoP a try, want to know what's fun and what's changed.
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Re: So I hear there's Panda's and stuff now.

Postby bldavis » Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:20 pm

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Re: So I hear there's Panda's and stuff now.

Postby Nikachelle » Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:03 pm

Good, go level a ranged dps. Got a nice spot for you back on QT! ;)
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Re: So I hear there's Panda's and stuff now.

Postby Worldie » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:25 am

Hope you like dailies.
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Postby JoeBravo » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:37 am

Worldie wrote:Hope you like dailies.


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Re: So I hear there's Panda's and stuff now.

Postby econ21 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:54 am

If you want to try healing, you could level a disc priest - it's terrific fun in leveling dungeons. You dps to heal and can end up doing the highest dps and tanking, while still keeping everyone alive. By Cata content, you have to behave rather more like a conventional healer and there are complaints about disc healing in MoP, so caveat emptor. Shadow is rather a fun offspec too: strongly recommended for soloing once you leave Northrend.
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Re: So I hear there's Panda's and stuff now.

Postby Levantine » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:56 am

Nah disc is the new Mistweaver after the buff to DA and the nerf to Renewing Mists and mana costs.
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Re: So I hear there's Panda's and stuff now.

Postby Arkesh » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:20 am

Nikachelle wrote:Good, go level a ranged dps. Got a nice spot for you back on QT! ;)


I'd love to be that dps, but I can't do weekends :( Awfully tempted to come back to QT to level however, so I might annoy you for a social spot :D

Are the dailies the good ones like Quel'Danas or the Firelands or the bad ones like the argent tourney and the profession ones? I really enjoyed watching the changes in the FL ones, although once I unlocked the final phase I couldn't be bothered to grind the tokens anymore >.>

I leveled a Disco priest back in ICC and did a bit of raiding, I quite enjoyed it, but I sucked at holy and didn't enjoy shadow. I know holy had chakras or something added since I last played, but I can't recall what's changed with shadow since Wrath. Is it still a case of watching a channel bar? I don't mind managing dots, used to play a moonkin. Oh, and is Disc still a case of unlimited mana or have they fixed it so you have to shield intelligently?

I was toying with the idea of an elemental/resto shaman, but I've tried leveling a shaman at least once each expansion but everytime I get bogged down with the gazillion totems and I give up by level 40. Do they still have billions of totems? Any interesting new mechanics?

I've been thinking about the idea of a warlock too, but I recall in Cata that demo had some crazy 15 part priority system which I just couldn't even begin to wrap my head round. So I'm on the wrong side of the fence atm.

So many questions >.< I got up this morning and closed the launcher with 1.5 gigs remaining as I was off to work, just booted it again it's gone up to 4.8gigs -.- I guess I can go have a browse and see if I can find a spark of zomg to motivate me a bit more.
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Re: So I hear there's Panda's and stuff now.

Postby Nikachelle » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:50 am

I'm sorry, you lost me at "are the dailies as good as the Quel'Danas ones?" The heck is wrong with you! No one liked those!

And yeah, our social spots are always open!
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Re: So I hear there's Panda's and stuff now.

Postby Arkesh » Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:55 am

Nikachelle wrote:I'm sorry, you lost me at "are the dailies as good as the Quel'Danas ones?" The heck is wrong with you! No one liked those!

And yeah, our social spots are always open!


I dunno, I just liked having all my dailies in one place, I could skip around for an hour or so whilst watching tv and earn monies.
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Re: So I hear there's Panda's and stuff now.

Postby Worldie » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:12 am

You clearly didn't play on a PvP server did you.
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Re: So I hear there's Panda's and stuff now.

Postby Nikachelle » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:33 am

Worldie wrote:You clearly didn't play on a PvP server did you.

I'm fairly certain he was on Quel'Thalas for the Sunwell patch... so definitely not pvp!
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Re: So I hear there's Panda's and stuff now.

Postby Arkesh » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:54 am

Nikachelle wrote:
Worldie wrote:You clearly didn't play on a PvP server did you.

I'm fairly certain he was on Quel'Thalas for the Sunwell patch... so definitely not pvp!


This is true. I was on The Maelstrom for the FL dailies however, wasn't too much fighting there, you were more likely to die doing your JC daily.

Think I've narrowed it down to either monk, priest or shaman, I hate making decisions like this, I'll probably change my mind in two weeks anyway. I assume there's still an overload of monks?
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Re: So I hear there's Panda's and stuff now.

Postby Nikachelle » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:46 am

Arkesh wrote:
Nikachelle wrote:
Worldie wrote:You clearly didn't play on a PvP server did you.

I'm fairly certain he was on Quel'Thalas for the Sunwell patch... so definitely not pvp!


This is true. I was on The Maelstrom for the FL dailies however, wasn't too much fighting there, you were more likely to die doing your JC daily.

Think I've narrowed it down to either monk, priest or shaman, I hate making decisions like this, I'll probably change my mind in two weeks anyway. I assume there's still an overload of monks?

Not as many as you'd expect tbh - nothing like the sudden DK overload we experienced at the start of Wrath. If you're trying something new, it's definitely worth giving the monks a shot.
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Re: So I hear there's Pandas and stuff now.

Postby Arkesh » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:07 pm

I guess starting at level 55 helped the DK influx. Might just try a deepsy monk then. Played a tanky one in early beta, was quite fun just rolling all over the place.

Have professions had any love? I hate leveling them, I start out leveling them as I level but then I always end up having to farm for mats in a zone that 10 levels below me and I just give up.
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Re: So I hear there's Pandas and stuff now.

Postby Worldie » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:43 pm

Professions are as boring as they can possibly get.
Except cooking. You can do 1-550 cooking in 5 minutes.
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Re: So I hear there's Pandas and stuff now.

Postby Arkesh » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:53 pm

I shall have to find out how to do it in 5 mins then, I rolled a Panda so I guess cooking makes sense I think I'll just take mining or something whilst I level and sell stuff.
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Postby Worldie » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:43 pm

When you are 85, you head Halfhill, there's a vendor + trainer nearby who give recipes and mats for training 1-550. You just need some Golden Carps extras (like 1-2g each on AH). I trained 1-550 for like 300g.

Well I suppose you can be summoned there earlier if you wish.
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Postby bldavis » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:04 pm

also, if you are a monk, once you hit 20 (i think) you get a daily that gives you 1 hr of +50% xp, as well as a quest every 10 levels for the same buff

if it runs out in a dungeon, the buff lasts until you leave that dungeon
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Postby econ21 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:32 pm

The MoP grind for professions is generally painless - the 525-600 bit. Some of the earlier stages can be nasty. A nice perk is the Darkmoon Faire quests, which give you +5 to the professions every month. That can help get over some of the nastier humps.

I very much resisted it on my main and on characters I care about, but what I would recommend is leveling with one or two gathering professions. You get XP for gathering, which is a nice bonus. Many of my alts just did dungeons and gathered up to Cata. Then when you hit 90, switch to the professions you want for the perks and zerg them. You might need a decent bank balance, but gathering may give you some cash and there are some nice synergies (skinning and leather working; mining and any of engineering, BS or JC; herbalism and either alc or inscription; tailoring and enchanting). If you try to keep a crafting profession at the same pace as your character level, you will go crazy as you said - you just level far too fast and ultimately even if you could keep pace, crafting leveling gear is a waste. Just don't do what I did on one alt, aim to get LW at 90, level with skinning and alchemy, then at 90 delete skinning by mistake. (Thank goodness for GM tickets.)
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Postby Arkesh » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:50 pm

Worldie wrote:When you are 85, you head Halfhill, there's a vendor + trainer nearby who give recipes and mats for training 1-550. You just need some Golden Carps extras (like 1-2g each on AH). I trained 1-550 for like 300g.

Well I suppose you can be summoned there earlier if you wish.


Thanks, if that's the case I won't worry too much about it then until I'm closer to 90. And I just realised I'm being a retard and getting confused with GW2 where cooking was a primary profession. So I need to go back to the drawing board with my ideas, might go alchemy/enchanting. I'll have a ponder.
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Re: So I hear there's Pandas and stuff now.

Postby Skye1013 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:59 pm

Mining/herbing will give you xp while leveling, so if you're planning alchemy, you could do herbing/enchanting while leveling and save the more expensive/hard to find herbs to use for alch at cap (unless you plan to use the pots and such while leveling.)

As for your earlier questions about priests:

Shadow - Mind Flay is our lowest priority spell, so you're only "watching a channel bar" when Shadow Word: Pain/Vampiric Touch are on the target, Mind Blast is on cooldown, you don't have 3 orbs for Devouring Plague and Mind Spike doesn't have an instant proc (based on talents.) Also, during single target fights, if using the proper priorities, you should never run out of mana.

Disc - Bubble spam is no more, you're very likely to run out of mana if you try. I haven't really played it much since 90, but they have made mana something you have to watch. Given a proper amount of spirit, Smite/Heal should be relatively mana neutral. Beyond that, bubble should be used often enough to get replenishment (buff that regens mana when a bubble gets eaten, can only trigger every 12 or 15s, I forget which.) Penance/Prayer of Mending are generally kept on cd, Greater Heal if you need a big heal and can wait on the cast time, Flash Heal if it's an emergency. Renew is generally ignored, but if you have to move, the target has weakened soul and PoM is on cd, you can use it to buy a little time.

Holy - Has Chakras... and... heals... I honestly know little about this spec.
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Postby bldavis » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:14 pm

from what i have played of holy (not much since i rediscovered disc in 5.0) holy is still the aoe healing spec - CoH, PoH, PoM, and your aoe heal chakra and lightspring glyph

chakras are 3 flavors - aoe ground target heal (a la healing rain), a single target bossted heal, and a stun/damage
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Re: So I hear there's Pandas and stuff now.

Postby Levantine » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:21 am

Itt: levie realises his guild mates have very little clue about healing priests (well Skye knows a bit about disc, but he's still definitely a shadow priest. Btw it's rapture)
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Postby bldavis » Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:58 am

you just realized this?
i play one, but very poorly

there is a reason i prefer healing on my shaman or druid
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