AskMrRobot

Anything, including off-topic posts

Moderators: Fridmarr, Worldie, Aergis, Sabindeus, PsiVen

AskMrRobot

Postby Volitaire » Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:47 pm

So as we all know we were pretty good friends with askmrrobot during the last expansion. As such I was hoping to remain good friends for this expansion and make my life a bit easier. Though from what I have read on Theck's blog and such that it isn't really prioritizing everything exactly the way we would want. Anyone have some good custom weights they are using?

Currently I am using a setup that gets me to hit cap and hard cap of expertise, then starting to build up mastery.
<Blood Runs Cold> - Stormrage(US) Alliance 10-man 13/13HM
Late Night 12am-3am EST Tues-Thurs, Sunday
Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/volitaire
Website: http://bloodrunscold.enjin.com
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/Hamstring2568
Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... ire/simple
Volitaire
 
Posts: 129
Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:54 am

Re: AskMrRobot

Postby Volitaire » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:52 am

Surprised nobody has chimed in here with their setup. Got a chance to really nail down what I find to be working really well for ensuring that priorities are good. By no means am I saying this is the final/end all be all but it seems to be a good setup for me so far. Would love to see what other people are doing.

Phys Hit - 1.0
Expertise - .8 Soft Cap Weight .43
Mastery - .65
Armor - .64
Haste - .41
Strenght - .4
Dodge - .35
Parry - .35
Stamina - .3
<Blood Runs Cold> - Stormrage(US) Alliance 10-man 13/13HM
Late Night 12am-3am EST Tues-Thurs, Sunday
Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/volitaire
Website: http://bloodrunscold.enjin.com
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/Hamstring2568
Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... ire/simple
Volitaire
 
Posts: 129
Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:54 am

Re: AskMrRobot

Postby Levantine » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:59 am

One thing. There is no soft cap for expertise. Below 7.5 it reduces dodge, above and it reduces parry. There's no double dipping anymore below 7.5.
User avatar
Levantine
 
Posts: 10818
Joined: Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:48 pm
Location: NQ, Aus

Re: AskMrRobot

Postby degre » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:40 am

Levantine wrote:One thing. There is no soft cap for expertise. Below 7.5 it reduces dodge, above and it reduces parry. There's no double dipping anymore below 7.5.

Bosses cannot parry from behind, so the soft cap is the one required by DPS staying behind, the hard cap instead is what you go for if you need to hit from anywhere.

Even in Cata dps simply ignored Parry.
On EU-Kadghar: Degre | Beldegre | Degrotto | Koshien | Sousuke
User avatar
degre
 
Posts: 1166
Joined: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:11 pm
Location: Oxford, UK

Re: AskMrRobot

Postby Volitaire » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:55 am

These are the priorities for my tanking configuration not my dps configuration thus the reason for the push to hard cap.
<Blood Runs Cold> - Stormrage(US) Alliance 10-man 13/13HM
Late Night 12am-3am EST Tues-Thurs, Sunday
Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/volitaire
Website: http://bloodrunscold.enjin.com
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/Hamstring2568
Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... ire/simple
Volitaire
 
Posts: 129
Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:54 am

Re: AskMrRobot

Postby benebarba » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:04 pm

Volitaire wrote:These are the priorities for my tanking configuration not my dps configuration thus the reason for the push to hard cap.


I think they may have been trying to point out that a 'soft cap' weight doesn't make much sense. If you want to know you'll hit the boss from the front (i.e. as a tank), you need to be hard capped.

I myself haven't bothered with Ask Mr Robot since I'm still getting to raiding gear levels and so gear optimization is 'get better gear' :P
benebarba
 
Posts: 2469
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:30 am

Re: AskMrRobot

Postby Darielle » Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:36 pm

Volitaire wrote:These are the priorities for my tanking configuration not my dps configuration thus the reason for the push to hard cap.


Expertise has the same value from 0% to 15% in the new design, so there is no soft cap.
Darielle
 
Posts: 1319
Joined: Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:41 am
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Re: AskMrRobot

Postby Volitaire » Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:22 pm

Ahh, I see what you all mean. The way the weights fall it ends up prioritizing a hard cap before moving onto anything else. I mainly had it listed just because it is a value that has to be filled out.
<Blood Runs Cold> - Stormrage(US) Alliance 10-man 13/13HM
Late Night 12am-3am EST Tues-Thurs, Sunday
Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/volitaire
Website: http://bloodrunscold.enjin.com
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/Hamstring2568
Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... ire/simple
Volitaire
 
Posts: 129
Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:54 am

Re: AskMrRobot

Postby theckhd » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:40 pm

"Theck, Bringer of Numbers and Pounding Headaches," courtesy of Grehn|Skipjack.
Simcraft 6.x, Call to Arms 6.0, Talent Spec & Glyph Guide 6.x, Blog: Sacred Duty
User avatar
theckhd
Moderator
 
Posts: 8003
Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:06 pm
Location: Harrisburg, PA

Re: AskMrRobot

Postby Skye1013 » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:04 pm

Volitaire wrote:Ahh, I see what you all mean. The way the weights fall it ends up prioritizing a hard cap before moving onto anything else. I mainly had it listed just because it is a value that has to be filled out.

Pretty sure you can leave some of those values blank, as there are soft caps and such for haste on my priest, but they're blank, and it seems to work fine. I suppose the coding could be different for expertise, but I haven't really delved that far into it.
"me no gay, me friends gay, me no like you call me gay, you dumb dumb" -bldavis
"Here are the values that I stand for: I stand for honesty, equality, kindness, compassion, treating people the way you wanna be treated, and helping those in need. To me, those are traditional values. That’s what I stand for." -Ellen Degeneres
"I'm not going to censor myself to comfort your ignorance." -Jon Stewart
Horde: Clopin Dylon Sharkbait Xiaman Metria Metapriest
Alliance: Schatze Aleks Deegee Baileyi Sotanaht Danfer Shazta Rawrsalot Roobyroo
User avatar
Skye1013
Maintankadonor
 
Posts: 3968
Joined: Tue May 18, 2010 5:47 am
Location: JBPH-Hickam, Hawaii

Re: AskMrRobot

Postby Fenris » Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:29 am

theckhd wrote:I'll just leave this here:
http://forums.askmrrobot.com/index.php? ... 0#msg27990

tested those weights,but mrRobot is still acting funny

I swapped mastery/haste,i still have plenty of pieces where it could have me reforge mastery but instead it reforges into haste (and it keeps doing it even with haste dropped from 0.9 to 0.7)
ImageImage
ImageImage
User avatar
Fenris
 
Posts: 629
Joined: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:51 am
Location: Italy

Re: AskMrRobot

Postby Fetzie » Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:37 am

I had to set expertise to 3 and hard cap 5(!) to force it to give me 15% expertise instead of 14.something (talk about brute-force making things work).

Setting strength to 0.5 and mastery to 1.0 switched the bracer enchant to Mastery from Strength.
Fetzie | Protection Paladin | EU-Kazzak
Author of the TankSpot Protection Paladin Guide
Image
Sagara wrote:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

bldavis wrote:we are trying to extend it as long as we can...it just never seems to last very long
User avatar
Fetzie
 
Posts: 2229
Joined: Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:43 am
Location: Karlsruhe, Germany

Re: AskMrRobot

Postby theckhd » Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:15 pm

Yeah, I've been seeing similar bugs (the STR error, as well as the weird reforging). I've reported it in that thread, but until yellow can figure out what's causing it, there's not much we can do. I'd just advise tweaking things manually to help the optimizer along.
"Theck, Bringer of Numbers and Pounding Headaches," courtesy of Grehn|Skipjack.
Simcraft 6.x, Call to Arms 6.0, Talent Spec & Glyph Guide 6.x, Blog: Sacred Duty
User avatar
theckhd
Moderator
 
Posts: 8003
Joined: Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:06 pm
Location: Harrisburg, PA

Re: AskMrRobot

Postby Fenris » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:44 pm

This is what i'm seeing now

Image

Image

Image

Reforging mastery into haste (going against the stat weight),bringing me under the exp hardcap (even with exp as third on the weight list)

It's even going as far as taking away my +hit cogwell from the dragonling to replace it with a haste one (so then it has to reforge for the hit-cap instead of going for exp or mastery,so basically i'm losing on 2 of the 4 top weights in favour of the fifth one)
ImageImage
ImageImage
User avatar
Fenris
 
Posts: 629
Joined: Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:51 am
Location: Italy

Re: AskMrRobot

Postby Sagara » Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:18 am

I tried throwing Theck's numbers on wowhead.

Looks like a legitimate list. The only weird thing is, without the filter for Crit/Intel/Agi, there are a couple of pieces that creep in the list.

It values Necklace of Imbued Fury above Saddlebinder Links, for example.
When that day comes, seek all the light and wonder of this world, and fight.

Worldie wrote:I used to like it [mean] back on Sylvanas.

Queldan - EU Stormrage (H) - Good night, sweet prince.
User avatar
Sagara
 
Posts: 3453
Joined: Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:04 am
Location: Belgium

Next

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Ulvalon and 1 guest

Who is online

In total there are 3 users online :: 2 registered, 0 hidden and 1 guest (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 380 on Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:28 pm

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Ulvalon and 1 guest