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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:20 pm
by theckhd
lakhesis wrote:Their solution is horrendously kneejerk though. And Holy Wrath is a terrible place to add compensatory damage.

I actually disagree. AS and HW were the places I would have put that damage too (assuming CS/HotR are off-limits because of Ret). AS ought to be hitting hard to make it a fun button to push. HW having higher damage makes it much more useful for snap aggro on groups of trash thanks to its annoying damage-splitting mechanic (which really ought to go now that it's prot-only).

It never made any sense to me that Consecration hit a single target harder than either AS or (to a lesser extent) Holy Wrath. Now it doesn't.

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:27 am
by Passionario
masterpoobaa wrote:Hammer of Wrath > Divine Storm > HotR > Divine Storm > Hammer of Wrath > Divine Storm > Exorcism > Divine storm is FUN.


Get on the boat, Bolvar.

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:03 am
by degre
KysenMurrin wrote:IIRC they added it to Shield of the Templar (right name?) talent during WotLK, 3 sec silence on all targets, and it's been that way ever since.

Crap... apologies, my bad memory then, I was seriously convinced that was only an interrupt, only came back with DS and there wasn't much to silence anyway, must have missed the memo.

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:45 am
by Fridmarr
degre wrote:must have missed the memo.
/spoken in Apple commercial narrator voice
There's a thread for that.

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:38 am
by lakhesis
theckhd wrote:
lakhesis wrote:Their solution is horrendously kneejerk though. And Holy Wrath is a terrible place to add compensatory damage.

I actually disagree. AS and HW were the places I would have put that damage too (assuming CS/HotR are off-limits because of Ret). AS ought to be hitting hard to make it a fun button to push. HW having higher damage makes it much more useful for snap aggro on groups of trash thanks to its annoying damage-splitting mechanic (which really ought to go now that it's prot-only).

It never made any sense to me that Consecration hit a single target harder than either AS or (to a lesser extent) Holy Wrath. Now it doesn't.


Absolutely agree on AS, and I'd have been looking in the direction of CS/HotR for a boost.

I don't think that having the high prio builders being our weakest snap threat is a good setup - it's unintuitive and a significant contributor to backloading our threat. A trap for those who don't know their DPCTs. They're understandably reluctant to vary base abilities between specs, but I think they should bite the bullet on that one.

I'm sentimentally fond of Consecration, but agree that it should be low prio outside aoe. I'm not really a fan of Holy Wrath... most of the time it's just a precursor to wanting to place Consecration. They could get close to the same effect by putting a significantly boosted first tick on Cons. Unfortunately the time for that sort of rotational modification has probably passed.

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:36 am
by Treck
IF they can make SoT do 80% less damage as prot only, im sure they can make CS/HotR do +100% more dmg as prot (100% as an example)
If they really are concerned about not buffing protpaladins abilities cause it will affect ret as well.

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:28 pm
by Darielle
(assuming CS/HotR are off-limits because of Ret)


I don't see why they would be - since Blizzard have done a fairly decent job at separating the two entirely.

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:07 am
by econ21
After protesting earlier in the thread, I have now come round to Seal of Insight tanking.

The hotfix has nudged me to use it for soloing, which is where it really shines. Before, using SoT, I'd died to a rare elite and as a corpse watched a DK take him down effortlessly. Since the patch, I've also done the same. Before, tanking three Golden Lotus quest mobs had brought my health down worryingly low (WoG just did not seem enough alone) - now, I ride around to aggro as many as possible and AOE them down with little risk.

I haven't had much experience of MoP instances but did about 30% of the healing (with SoI and battle healer) in some guild chain-run heroics last night. We were all pretty new, so the healing requirement was intense in some places (just read about a nerf to Monastery trash between Sha of Violence and Taran Zhu - it was rather nasty).

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:11 am
by KysenMurrin
They seem to have nerfed Taran Zhu himself, too.

Minor hotfix noticed: Lesser Charms of Good Fortune stack to 180 now instead of 90.

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:16 am
by Fenris
KysenMurrin wrote:Minor hotfix noticed: Lesser Charms of Good Fortune stack to 180 now instead of 90.

Yep,noticed that one too today

Still stupid (i already turned in my weekly 90,i already have 370 more <.<) but at least at half the stupidity-rate compared to before

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:18 am
by KysenMurrin
Yeah, I've turned in two weeks worth since launch and still have about 200 of them.

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:21 am
by Fenris
KysenMurrin wrote:Yeah, I've turned in two weeks worth since launch and still have about 200 of them.

Turned 180 in too,and still..

The system is stupid because doing dailies everyday you get at min. 40-50 (probably more) ,so after 2 days it basically turns into a "manage crap that takes places in your bags for nothing" thing.

Not long before i'll have to start destroying some of them...

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:08 am
by KysenMurrin
I'll just bank em. Once you've exalted on all the reps, you can use your bankload for most of the weekly and only do the dailies you're actually interested in.

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:59 pm
by Fenris
KysenMurrin wrote:I'll just bank em. Once you've exalted on all the reps, you can use your bankload for most of the weekly and only do the dailies you're actually interested in.

That if you are lucky to have free bank space

I'm not :cry:

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:03 pm
by halabar
Fenris wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:I'll just bank em. Once you've exalted on all the reps, you can use your bankload for most of the weekly and only do the dailies you're actually interested in.

That if you are lucky to have free bank space

I'm not :cry:


Considering they convert to free loot rolls, you'd trash them? You can find space somewhere.

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:15 pm
by Fenris
halabar wrote:
Fenris wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:I'll just bank em. Once you've exalted on all the reps, you can use your bankload for most of the weekly and only do the dailies you're actually interested in.

That if you are lucky to have free bank space

I'm not :cry:


Considering they convert to free loot rolls, you'd trash them? You can find space somewhere.


I have 1 month worth of conversions already

With 3 more days of coins left this week

That's the main problem,you get them at 10x the speed you can use them :lol:

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:30 pm
by KysenMurrin
Only if you're doing all the dailies constantly. Later in the expac you'll be glad to have built up a stockpile.

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:40 pm
by Fenris
Sure,but right now it's a problem (and one they could easily solve by making the stack higher or,even better,storing them in the currency tab and not as phisical tokens)

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:28 pm
by Zalaria
That's what I've wondered since I first got some on beta - why aren't they on the currency tab? Maybe they can't use currencies as quest requirements?

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:41 pm
by Treck
Wondering the same but I think the mark of the world tree worked sorta the same? or was they only to buy things?
I honestly dont think its something hard for them to fix, if its not already there in some way.
I guess its cause your collecting and shit, they just decided to keep it as a bag item.

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:03 pm
by PsiVen
I can't imagine actually doing ALL the dailies every day. It would be pretty horrifying if that was what it took to get the coins, especially months from now when we're exalted with everything.

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:22 am
by Treck
I hope by the time we are exalted we will have enough coins to not have to bother with them ever again.
But, in all fairness you really only need to get 90 a week, and thats pretty simple.
If you then want to go for valor rewards, you wont be able to buy everything anyway.
Before you buy your first item you obviously wanna keep your options available, thus getting rep with pretty much everything.
But atm, its really only Golden Lotus rep that matters, once you get revered iirc with them, you start going for the other 2 (shado pan and august celestials?) Klaxxi also have a few valor gear ofcourse but you prolly wanna look for what piece you are gonna buy first and just go for those.

We have people in the guild who has stockpiled the silver coins, having around 300-500, and they arnt exalted with all factions yet either, meaning theres definately more to gain.
And while you could use them on every single boss to get more loot, you really wont anyway.
In future content patches they will surely implement new quests to get coins when we are exalted with all factions currently.

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:53 am
by Passionario
Zalaria wrote:Maybe they can't use currencies as quest requirements?


They can. (Re: Marks of the World Tree)

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:11 am
by halabar
and now it's the daily rolling restarts, since the hotfixes weren't good enough. So much for leveling the hunter today. 15 minute restart is going on 90 minutes...

Edit: Apparently they did a restart so they could break the login servers. :roll: This is what happens when you do a restart while your Eagles-fan technician is plugging cables into the wrong ports as he watches Vick drop the ball over and over again.

Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:47 am
by Koatanga
I don't know about you guys, but I have people in guild wanting me to tank heroics so they can get gear to raid with. That eats into my grinding-dailies time quite severely.