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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby degre » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:05 am

Worldie wrote:Question: is it me or AS now only silences the first mob it hits?

Since 5.0 AS has a 3 seconds silence.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby jere » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:24 am

I think he is referring to whether second and third targets are affected by silence versus the just the first target.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Worldie » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:03 am

^ that.
If i cast it on 3 caster mobs only one gets silenced/interrupted for me.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby degre » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:45 am

My apologies, allow me to rephrase.

Since 5.0 AS has a 3 seconds silence only on the first target.

Which I suppose is as intended, a multitarget silence would be quite overpowered.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Worldie » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:51 am

Well it used to silence/interrupt all 3 targets before MoP.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby degre » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:56 am

Worldie wrote:Well it used to silence/interrupt all 3 targets before MoP.

Used to interrupt, now also silence.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:23 am

Hasn't it silenced through all of Cata?
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Pruke » Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:28 am

I remember casting it on a pack of 2-3 casters in cata and all 3 coming to the tank on the initial pull. Not just the primary target, so it seems that it used to interupt or stop spell casting at least for a brief period of time when used. Now it doesn't, but to be honest I always felt it was a bit overpowered for 1 tank to be able to ranged pull casters as if they were melee.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Sabindeus » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:39 am

degre wrote:
Worldie wrote:Well it used to silence/interrupt all 3 targets before MoP.

Used to interrupt, now also silence.


No, it also silenced.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby jere » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:16 am

Yep it both silenced and interrupted for a long while now.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:48 pm

IIRC they added it to Shield of the Templar (right name?) talent during WotLK, 3 sec silence on all targets, and it's been that way ever since.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Treck » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:09 pm

Not any more tho, it only affects its main target.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:17 pm

Just started leveling my pally last night (got through the first couple of quests in Jade Forest while doing some mining) and I have to say I think I'm going to enjoy leveling as prot. I love being able to pull 4-5 groups of mobs and just aoeing them down while ending with full hp/mana. I'm sure the "rotation" I'm using isn't optimal for tanking a dungeon, but it certainly works well enough for solo questing.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby masterpoobaa » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:00 pm

Skye,
While you can do it as prot, I found it FAR FAR quicker as ret.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:09 pm

Not having a ret spec, and not wanting to get used to it being "quicker" then getting disappointed when I go back to prot later, I'll live with what I have. It's still quicker (and more survivable) than multi-dotting with my spriest.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby theckhd » Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:20 pm

lakhesis wrote:Their solution is horrendously kneejerk though. And Holy Wrath is a terrible place to add compensatory damage.

I actually disagree. AS and HW were the places I would have put that damage too (assuming CS/HotR are off-limits because of Ret). AS ought to be hitting hard to make it a fun button to push. HW having higher damage makes it much more useful for snap aggro on groups of trash thanks to its annoying damage-splitting mechanic (which really ought to go now that it's prot-only).

It never made any sense to me that Consecration hit a single target harder than either AS or (to a lesser extent) Holy Wrath. Now it doesn't.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Passionario » Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:27 am

masterpoobaa wrote:Hammer of Wrath > Divine Storm > HotR > Divine Storm > Hammer of Wrath > Divine Storm > Exorcism > Divine storm is FUN.


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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby degre » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:03 am

KysenMurrin wrote:IIRC they added it to Shield of the Templar (right name?) talent during WotLK, 3 sec silence on all targets, and it's been that way ever since.

Crap... apologies, my bad memory then, I was seriously convinced that was only an interrupt, only came back with DS and there wasn't much to silence anyway, must have missed the memo.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Fridmarr » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:45 am

degre wrote:must have missed the memo.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby lakhesis » Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:38 am

theckhd wrote:
lakhesis wrote:Their solution is horrendously kneejerk though. And Holy Wrath is a terrible place to add compensatory damage.

I actually disagree. AS and HW were the places I would have put that damage too (assuming CS/HotR are off-limits because of Ret). AS ought to be hitting hard to make it a fun button to push. HW having higher damage makes it much more useful for snap aggro on groups of trash thanks to its annoying damage-splitting mechanic (which really ought to go now that it's prot-only).

It never made any sense to me that Consecration hit a single target harder than either AS or (to a lesser extent) Holy Wrath. Now it doesn't.


Absolutely agree on AS, and I'd have been looking in the direction of CS/HotR for a boost.

I don't think that having the high prio builders being our weakest snap threat is a good setup - it's unintuitive and a significant contributor to backloading our threat. A trap for those who don't know their DPCTs. They're understandably reluctant to vary base abilities between specs, but I think they should bite the bullet on that one.

I'm sentimentally fond of Consecration, but agree that it should be low prio outside aoe. I'm not really a fan of Holy Wrath... most of the time it's just a precursor to wanting to place Consecration. They could get close to the same effect by putting a significantly boosted first tick on Cons. Unfortunately the time for that sort of rotational modification has probably passed.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Treck » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:36 am

IF they can make SoT do 80% less damage as prot only, im sure they can make CS/HotR do +100% more dmg as prot (100% as an example)
If they really are concerned about not buffing protpaladins abilities cause it will affect ret as well.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Darielle » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:28 pm

(assuming CS/HotR are off-limits because of Ret)


I don't see why they would be - since Blizzard have done a fairly decent job at separating the two entirely.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby econ21 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:07 am

After protesting earlier in the thread, I have now come round to Seal of Insight tanking.

The hotfix has nudged me to use it for soloing, which is where it really shines. Before, using SoT, I'd died to a rare elite and as a corpse watched a DK take him down effortlessly. Since the patch, I've also done the same. Before, tanking three Golden Lotus quest mobs had brought my health down worryingly low (WoG just did not seem enough alone) - now, I ride around to aggro as many as possible and AOE them down with little risk.

I haven't had much experience of MoP instances but did about 30% of the healing (with SoI and battle healer) in some guild chain-run heroics last night. We were all pretty new, so the healing requirement was intense in some places (just read about a nerf to Monastery trash between Sha of Violence and Taran Zhu - it was rather nasty).
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:11 am

They seem to have nerfed Taran Zhu himself, too.

Minor hotfix noticed: Lesser Charms of Good Fortune stack to 180 now instead of 90.
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Re: Hotfixes...hotfixes...Always the hotfixes

Postby Fenris » Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:16 am

KysenMurrin wrote:Minor hotfix noticed: Lesser Charms of Good Fortune stack to 180 now instead of 90.

Yep,noticed that one too today

Still stupid (i already turned in my weekly 90,i already have 370 more <.<) but at least at half the stupidity-rate compared to before
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