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Re: Pet Battles

Postby jere » Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:53 pm

It is. You can get it from the daily reward as well. Just found that out an hour or so ago.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby jere » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:57 am

Just a couple quick notes for pet collectors:
Snowy Owl is available in Winterspring now (well as of Dec 21'st) and is only available until right before the Spring Equinox happens. If you are going for the achievement, this is your window to get that pet.

I've been doing some work on figuring out how pet experience is calculated against the various tamers and posted a lot of info up at warcraftpets.com, but wanted to share some of it here (even though we don't really have a lot of pet battle interest on this site, I thought it would be ok).

Experience for battle pets (not player experience):
1. Pet experience gained is quadratic in nature (Ax^2 + Bx + C)
2. All Pandaria tamers give the same experience curve
3. All Northrend/Cata tamers (even including Major Payne and Obalis) give the same experience curve, but give 60% of the EXP that Pandaria tamers do.
4. Outlands/Vanilla tamers all have different experience curves based on enemy pet level and tamer multiplier. I can provide a link to each, though most people don't bother with these tamers.
5. For Pandaria, Northrend, Cata, Celestial Tournament, Beasts of Fable, and the Dark Moon Faire tamer (any battle where enemy pets are level 25), pets that are level 10 and level 11 get the most experience as carry pets against those tamers versus any other level pet you have. For other tamers, the "max experience" level moves a bit. Again, I can always provide a link, but didn't want to come out just crossposting other sites randomly.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Kalimaa » Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:15 am

As I'm in the process of leveling a bunch of pets for the 75 lvl 10 and 25 achievements I would much appreciate more information about pet xp. At the moment I use aquatics from the vale to battle, they spawn frequently on my server. I have a leveling team of 1 moth and 1 dragon to handle aquatics and the rare flying add. I just swap in my pet to level. 4 fights and its lvl 10-11. So would like some information on how to get the next step most efficiently
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby jere » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:30 am

Well the main thing is deciding if you are doing long term levelling or short term. For short term, you can can level from 1-25 in 4 tamer fights using both food buffs and the safari hat. If you are going long term, the best way is to do what you are doing and level from 1-10/11 in 4 fights (with safari hat only) against wild pets (I recommend around Nitun and Gorespine for rapid respawns, though you need a switcher pet with blind/decoy/etc.). Then once you have 16 level 10/11 pets, do a tamer run with full buffs.

If you go the long term route, you need to plot the optimum tamer route. This part is going to be highly variable per person. It depends on what pets you currently have and what means you have to get around the world.

As an example:
I have over 300 level 25 pets covering the majority of what are considered useful pets, so I can really quickly kill all of the Pandaria Tamers, and with my Argent Tournament tabard I can teleport right next to Major Payne and work through Northrend. Depending on RNG and how crazy my kids are, I can get in all Pandaria Tamers and between 3-5 Northrend tamers in the full hour of the buff.
All the pandaria tamers net 8787 exp to level 10/11 pets with full experience buffs. Northrend tamers (and Cataclysm tamers) give 5272 exp to level 10/11 pets with full experience buffs.

What you need to do is figure out which tamers you can quickly kill with 2 level 25's and a carry pet. If that is all of them, then great, but first figure that out and start working on a route for all the tamers you can quickly do. The idea is to get as many Pandaria tamers as you can. However, if it is quicker for you to do two Northrend/Cataclysm tamers versus 1 Pandaria tamer (including travel time), then the Northrend/Cata tamers are a more efficient until you can remedy that.

You didn't mention what kind of help you needed specifically, but if it is finding optimal teams to do this against the tamers, warcraftpets.com has a forum full of guides (Guides Tab => Forum Guides) with a 5.4 Tamer guide that is very optimized for killing quickly. I would link it, but the site is blocked from here. My experience guide is in the same area. It'll give you experience values based on carry pet level so you can plan ahead.

My suggestion is that if you don't have the pets those guides mentioned (or something similar) and want to improve efficiency long term, it is ok to do some short term levelling to get those pets in your roster. I did a lot of short term levelling occasionally to get newer pets up to speed, but I usually save my full buffs for long term style.

One important note is that if you are doing long term levelling, you need to be careful about which level 10/11 pets you pick for both the Flowing Spirit and the Burning Spirit as they have AoE's that can decimate pets with either low HP or a family that takes more damage from the particular attack. A little planning can save you here.

Another note: If you are just going for the achieves, then you can do the short term method with full buffs and level 3 pets to 25 per day (assuming you can efficiently do all the tamers). So in 8ish days you will have the achieve. I plan on levelling all my pets to 25 at some point, so I am doing the long term method.

Any kind of specific info you would be interested in?
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Kalimaa » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:54 am

My plan is to level all my rare pets to 25 hopefully before the next expansion hits. So you could say getting the achievements is just a part goal on that journey. I think I will continue to use the method of leveling with wild battles against aquatics in Vale of Eternal Blossom as most of the aquatics open with a buff or a low dmg ability.
What I was looking for advice with was how to most efficiently lvl many pets from 10/11 to 25. I have teams for all pandaria tamers in place, the spirits can use a little working though so I will visit warcraftpets guide as you recommend.
I was thinking, what would be the best strategy:
a) to swap carry pet for each tamer (so I cycle through all my 10/11 rare pets) or
b) to keep the carry pet until it reaches lvl 24ish and then level the rest with wild battles

Reason for asking is so I can plan my approach to it in a good maner (530+ pets take some time to level :( and I will go there eventually)

But thanks a lot for the good and detailed answer
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby jere » Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:14 pm

I'm at home now, so I can link the guides:
Fast Tamer Kills: http://www.warcraftpets.com/community/f ... =10&t=7556
Carry Pet Exp: http://www.warcraftpets.com/community/f ... =10&t=8829

As far as "a" vs "b" it depends on how whether or not you always use full buffs when tamer levelling. I don't. Sometimes I just use the safari hat or the hat + the 25% treat only. In my case, option "a" is superior over long stretches of time as I get the most extra "juice" out of my 85% total EXP buffs by only using level 10/11 pets (I always use full buffs when levelling level 10/11 pets). If you always have 85% worth of buffs for tamer battles, then both options work out pretty even long term (assuming for option "b" you are starting from level 10/11 as well).

My suggestion is if you don't always use the full 85% buffs, then do the following:

1.) Level 20ish pets to level 10/11 using just he safari hat (usually takes very little time) for each night you will be running full (85%) buffs.
2.) Make a tamer run using full buffs (85% more EXP) on each level 10/11 pet, swapping for each tamer so that each pet gets the full 8787 exp and moves up to level 18/19. If you have been doing this for a while and no longer have any pets below level 12, do full buff runs on the lowest level pets you have that are at least level 12.
3.) On off nights where you don't have full buffs, level all the highest level pets you have using what buffs you do have as long as you don't waste EXP. You can earn 3x lesser pet treats per night by doing the beasts of fable, so you should never run out of these. These with the hat give you 35% more exp. Important notes on the higher level pets:
Pandaria Tamers with 35% buffs
12-21: all of these are safe to level without worry of wasting EXP
22: As long as you are 1575 EXP or less, you won't waste EXP (1575 goes to level 25)
23: As long as you are 120 EXP or less, you won't waste EXP (120 goes to level 25)
24: Always wastes EXP when using a single carry pet

Northrend & Cata tamers with 35% buffs
12-22: all of these are safe to level without worry of wasting EXP
23: As long as you are 1632 EXP or less, you won't waste EXP (1632 goes to level 25)
24: Always wastes EXP when using a single carry pet

So on off nights (35% buff nights) start with your highest pets that won't waste EXP and work your way down.

4.) Use wild battles to finish off any high level pets that would waste EXP via the tamers.

EDIT:
Most people will have off nights with less than full buffs (you only earn two 50% treats per week), so option "a" is often the most useful as long as you only use 10/11 for full buffs and higher level pets. If you only level pets at tamers 1-2 nights a week, you can always do it at full buffs and option "b" about the same. I usually do some levelling every night and most other serious levellers do the same (of course real life can make that difficult so mileage may vary).
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:00 am

Started doing this again for some reason. Had never gone very far before. Anyway, I've just been levelling a couple of pets up to 25 to make a better team than the 3 I started with. Now I have a Kun Lai Runt and a Mechanical Gnome, which I'm mostly using with my Magical Crawdad.

Before I did that, I'd noticed the daily on Timeless Isle, with Lil' Oondasta, and got myself stomped, so I kinda wanted to see if I could beat that. It look a lot of goes to work out, but eventually this did it:

1) Started with Kun Lai Runt, and applied Mangle. Oondasta one-shot the Runt and pulled out the Gnome.
2) Set up a turret, hit him with Metal Fists until I could set up a second turret. The Gnome dies + resurrects just in time to get the turret out, then dies again.
3) Sent out a level 23 Alpine Fox Kit, and applied Howl. Oodasta always uses his beam attack at this point, which is just survivable by the fox. If it's all gone well, the turret(s) hit for 200 damage a shot and Oondasta dies on the next turn.

I'd gone through pretty much this a few times unsuccessfully before I finally noticed Mangle on the Runt's abilities and switched it in. Adds a helluva lot of damage. Was surprised I managed to find a way, actually, with such a limited number of high level pets. The fox even survived and got a chunk of XP.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby jere » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:25 pm

Nice!

Little Tommy Knocker can be frustrating at times. I have a pretty decent 2 pet option similar to yours (using a +damage buff).
Clockwork Gnome uses Turret (Switched By Frill blast)
Zandalari Kneebiter (highest power you have) uses Black Claw
Zand. Kneebiter uses hunting party (Usually the Kneebiter is killed this round)
Select Carry pet and then immediately swap it out for the Clockwork Gnome
Do something with the Gnome.

Similar to Mangle, Black Claw adds a lot of damage (though Mangle isn't as powerful as Black Claw). Hunting party lays down shattered defenses on top of that. After that, the Turret is hitting for 400 damage a shot.

The only catch is that the carry pet needs less health than the Kneebiter or Frillblast won't swap the right pet. I usually remedy this by using another team, putting in the carry pet, and then starting/forfeiting against a nearby wild pet battle until the carry pet health is sub 1200.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby jere » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:47 am

As a note going into WoD garrisons for anyone who pet battles:

Inn - 2 pets from daily random quests
Barn - Pygmy cow (requires something to launch up and out with or a glider of some type).
Engineering Workshop - 2 pets (not 100% sure this is required, but something to at least look into)
Mining - non miners can get the pet from the adds that spawn from nodes...miners from any node in Draenor
Herbalism - non herbers can get the pet from the adds that spawn from nodes...herbers from any node in Draenor. Can purchase another pet with Draenic Seeds
Menegerie - lots of pets from level 3 daily quest
Fishing - level 3 follower Nat Pagle sells some pets (with certain Friendship requirements to buy)
Trading Post - Opens up a new reputation. Horde vs Alliance each get a different pet here (rep requirement).

EDIT: Pretty sure it is only 2 pets from the engi workshop. Still don't know what is the actual requirement. I need to get level 3 before I can place it.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Flex » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:45 am

jere wrote:As a note going into WoD garrisons for anyone who pet battles:

Inn - 2 pets from daily random quests
Barn - Pygmy cow (requires something to launch up and out with or a glider of some type).
Engineering Workshop - 2 or 3 pets (not 100% sure this is required, but something to at least look into)
Mining - non miners can get the pet from the adds that spawn from nodes...miners from any node in Draenor
Herbalism - non herbers can get the pet from the adds that spawn from nodes...herbers from any node in Draenor. Can purchase another pet with Draenic Seeds
Menegerie - lots of pets from level 3 daily quest
Fishing - level 3 follower Nat Pagle sells some pets (with certain Friendship requirements to buy)
Trading Post - Opens up a new reputation. Horde vs Alliance each get a different pet here (rep requirement).


I went barn solely for the pet.

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Re: Pet Battles

Postby jere » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:07 pm

Once my inn procs all the dailies I want, I am loading up the barn and going for the cow. My garrison is going to be expensive with all the building swapping. I guess I could do it on alts, but I already have plans for most of them as well.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Worldie » Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:11 pm

Plans are easy to buy. Garrison resources, on the other hand...
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Jabari » Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:58 pm

Hey all,

Quick question: I recently did a fresh re-install and haven't done any pet stuff in a while. What pet-specific addons are you guys using right now?

I remember that I had BattlePetTeams and a couple others, but I don't know what's up to date for 6.0.

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Re: Pet Battles

Postby jere » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:21 pm

I use Rematch for my teams. BattlePetTeams should be updated now and it is a very nice simplistic interface, but I really like the options from Rematch (search by abilities and stats, levelling queue for low level pets, auto loading of teams, tabbed team organization, etc.) and it is easy to copy all the teams from PBT to Rematch if both are installed at the same time (there is a button in the Rematch options for that).

Battle Pet BreedID is great if you care about breeds for battling.

PetTracker has some good options as well.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:18 pm

Quintessence of Light has to be the most annoying battle I've seen so far. No matter what I do I can't beat it with my 10 or so level 25s. The best I can manage is a tie.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Worldie » Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:31 pm

Death Knight Goat pls
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:58 pm

Okay, after well over an hour I finally managed to beat Quintessence of Light. All the advice you see online about it assumes you have a very specific set of pets, which have apparently been popular for killing boss pets for a long while. I have none of them. But I could copy a little of the strategy.

I did it with a Creepy Crate, Alpine Fox Kit, and Effervescent Glowfly. It took several goes, because everything has to die at the right moments, and taking more or less damage on a turn screws it all up. Since this pet's main attack randomly hits either two or three times when going first, that is a problem.

Anyway, it boiled down to using Howl to boost the damage of Curse of Doom, the Glowfly's poisons, and a couple of Fox Kit attacks. The reason it took so long for me to kill this is that it uses Cauterise, so I had to hit on the right combination of damage + turn sequence with my pets that had Cauterise on cooldown when the big damage hit.

IIRC it went:
0- Start with Creepy Crate
1- Agony
2- Bonestorm
3- Pass (to avoid reflected damage)
4- Agony (Crate dies and resurrects)
5- Curse of Doom (Crate dies; bring out Glowfly)
6- Confusing Sting
7- Glowing Toxin (if the Glowfly gets hit too many times it dies before it can cast this, and you lose)
8- Swap in Alpine Fox Kit
9- Howl (Curse of Doom hits, poisons tick for double damage; enemy casts reflect buff here IIRC)
10- Leap (Deals normal damage because it's weak; poisons tick for double)
11- Flurry (Hits for double, Fox dies; Quintessence dies from double poison damage)

I do not recommend this pet combination; it's very tricky to win and I almost gave up, but this was the only combo I had that could manage it.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Finkum » Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:39 pm

The cookie-cutter line up for elite pets is somewhat flexible, as you found. While the most efficient form is CoD->Geyser->Whirlpool->Howl, any set of time-delayed nukes/DoTs + Howl will do the job in a pinch.

As an aside, I'm impressed that you've managed to beat the various daily opponents if you only have 10 level 25 pets. I'd definitely look into levelling a Pandaren Water Spirit/Chrominius; it will make your life a lot easier!
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:18 am

I only had five level 25s until recently; I've just been doing the Garrison daily and buying 4 random level-up stones with the reward every day, bumping my highest level rares up as I go. So it's a pretty random "that's almost 25, let's do that one" rather than picking pets for usefulness. I haven't done much capturing.

I'm currently levelling Li'l Tarecgosa, Molten Corgi, and Zandalari Toenibbler through pvp battles (even though I realised a few days ago that one of the other Zandalaris has a better moveset).
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Nooska » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:26 am

I think my highest level pets are 12-14.
What is the most efficient way to level the pets up - broadly.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Worldie » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:32 am

Farm pets you are strong against until you vomit
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:14 am

You're pretty much stuck going around low level zones finding the pets that are around your team's level and battling those. You can do PvP battles, which give xp even for dead pets if you win, but you win less often and battles take longer.

Better is when you have level 25 pets already, and you can tag in a low level pet for the first round then finish the fight with high levels.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby jere » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:47 am

Nooska wrote:I think my highest level pets are 12-14.
What is the most efficient way to level the pets up - broadly.


Well, if you do some planning, it has a slightly rough start but ramps up at a certain point. Your first job is to get some pets to level 25. The fastest way to do this does have some RNG to it, but I know of multiple people (mostly guildies, but a few non) that made it work.

Phase 1: Get some 25's faster
1. Get some mechanicals (West fall has some...lots of buyable ones...pandaren mechanical dragonling is optimal).
2. Go to Karazan and farm out capturing some arcane eyes. They are level 17 and alone. Try to get Rare or Uncommon. Get 3.
3. Go to Dragonblight. This part is a bit RNG, but basically, use your Arcane Eye army to capture Dragonbone hatchlings. Some of this will depend on what secondary pets are present as those can mess you up at level 17, but there are plenty of dragonbone hatchling spawns to check. Also there is a pet healer at wyrmrest, so you shouldn't have any trouble there. Get 3. This is a bit more RNG, so you may not be able to snag a rare, but do your best to get some uncommons. If you are having tons of trouble, level these up a couple of levels using wild battles.
4. Go find level 25 aquatics in Pandaria and catch them with your dragonbone hatchlings. Whatever you capture will be level 23.
5. Level them to 25. This shouldn't take a huge amount of time from level 23. It will be slightly faster if you can get one to 25 before the others so that you don't have as much EXP splitting long term.

Phase 2: Get tamer farming starter pets
1. Now you have some 25's. Buy a level 25 anubisath idol or buy a lower level and use your 25's to get him to 25 quickly.
2. Go to sholazar basin and farm an emerald proto-whelp from the firey dragon area. Needs to be at least uncommon, but try for a rare. They aren't a common spawn so you won't always find them out there, but they aren't super rare either. If you have alts on multiple servers, check those. If you are having super trouble, go buy an emerald whelpling. It does about a 50-70% job of the emerald protowhelp for the next phase, but it will get you started until you have one.
3. Level the protowhelp up using your 25's like you did for the idol (or whelpling if you have that).

Phase 3: Build your tamer levelling army
1. Now you have a level 25 Anubisath Idol and Emerald Proto-whelp. Go to warcraftpets.com and click on the forum guides link in the menu (Guides->Forum Guides). Look for the 5.3 guide for beginners. This guide specifically tells you how to kill all the level 25 tamers and some of the lower ones with just the Idol and Emerald proto whelp in a way to get a "carry pet" lots of EXP. If you don't have the proto-whelp and are using the whelpling instead, then some of these fights may not be doable (any that rely on the proto-whelps shield or emerald dream ability...though you can play and see if you still can do them).
2. Go kill any tamers you haven't yet to get your safari hat. This might require a toon on both factions to get all 40 tamers needed. The low level ones for both factions count separately, so make an orc/human alt and go do the first couple if necesary.
3. Go back to warcraftpets.com and look at the 5.4 guide now. This gives a list of optimal pet teams for each tamer based on time/reliability. This is the list of pets you should level next. write this down.
4. Use the 5.3 guide from step #1 and the idol/whelp to level the pets on your list from step #3. With just the safari hat, you can do 2-3 pets per day to 25 depending on their starting levels.

Phase 4: fullup levelling
1. Now you should have a decent pandaria tamer battling army. Work on getting the pet food buffs (use your charms from the menagerie if you want or an alternate souce). Using the 5.4 guide and both food buffs + the safari hat will let you level 4-5 level 1's to 25 per day or up to 18 level 23's to 25 per day. An optimal flight time circuit through pandaria: Jade Forest tamer => whispering spirit => thundering spirit => Vale of EB tamer => Valley ot4W tamer => Krasasong Tamer => Flowing Spirit => Dread Wastes => Kun-Lai Summit tamer (yes this one) => Burning Spirit => Townlong Steppes tamer. After that hearth to shrine and do cata tamers or if you have a fast way to northrend, go do those.

2. Look up some solid strats for your daily menegerie battle. You should be able to level up the team you need in about 30 mins to an hour using the Pandaria tamers.

As a side note: The pandaria tamers are still a faster method of levelling than WoD tamers even though they provide +1 stones (from pet charms).
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Worldie » Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:55 am

....am I the only one who just beats random pets to train his own? <.<
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:00 am

Nah, I don't follow the guides either. I just throw whatever I have at things until I find something that works. Does mean I can't do 2-pet kills for levelling up purposes.
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