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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Flex » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:11 am

Frickin finally got a Giraffe Calf. Left with the Minfernal and Qiraji Guardian as the only pets left to catch for Kalimdor Safari and the meta achievement.

The Infinite Whelpling looks to have a strong combo of attacks. A 100% damage increase if the user has lower health than the target, a tail sweep that deals extra damage if you go second and a slow enough speed to take advantage of those combos..
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Fenrìr » Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:35 pm

Worldie wrote:So how do you solo Razorgore anyway. Clean up the shit after every mind control, or ignore adds completely and just focus on eggs?



It really depends on what you go in with. As a paladin, I spec into Eternal Flame and Light's Hammer and cancel the MC every 20-30 seconds. There's no rush to finish the fight really.

Personally, I start with the eggs on the MC side and work away from the platform. I pretty much MC Razor the entire first 90 seconds and then afterwords, break the MC every 20-30 seconds. Kill the adds immediately in my area and before Razor gets to me, cast a 3 holy power EF and really MC. The healing agro from EF is more than enough to get and keep adds on me.

You really have to keep the adds off of Razor cause eventually, they'll just overwhelm him. And the conflag he does is not something you cast on yourself cause it really negates the purpose of canceling the MC. So you have to be quick killing the adds around you on the platform...like less than 10 seconds.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Flex » Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:02 pm

Easiest way is to just hit him with a Lay on Hands if he gets low, in tank spec your health is almost as high as his, if not higher.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Jabari » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:58 am

Flex wrote:Frickin finally got a Giraffe Calf. Left with the Minfernal and Qiraji Guardian as the only pets left to catch for Kalimdor Safari and the meta achievement.


Wow nice! Can't get the Qiraji until summer, and I've given up on getting a Minfernal - there are always like 8 people camping that area (way more than for Onyxian or Scourged Whelplings).

Got [Raiding with Leashes] (Viscidius finally dropped its miniature), and now I'm close enough to Brood exalted I should probably just get it. (1 or 2 more weeks max) Still haven't beaten any of the Pandaria Spirit Tamers yet, need a little more variety in my 25s, particularly a good Aquatic. :(

On the bright side, I haven't seen any blatantly-bad bugs like before!
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Zobel » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:44 am

Jabari wrote:particularly a good Aquatic

Eternal striders are plentiful and have a good nuke (pump) and self healing.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Worldie » Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:43 pm

Flex wrote:Easiest way is to just hit him with a Lay on Hands if he gets low, in tank spec your health is almost as high as his, if not higher.

I could solo it np on my pala by casting sacred shield and execution sentence on him every minute or so and aoeing all the shit around me before re-MCing.

Just wondering however how to solo it with a different class that doesnt have a HoT.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby fuzzygeek » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:47 pm

I've got an Ooze at 21 with a 16 spectral cub and 11 celestial dragon. I've been grinding the ooze since he has a pair of dots and an absorb, so generally doesn't have too much trouble killing an entire team himself.

Is there some way of making the grind from 21-25 less awful? Am I better off leveling a full team at a time or working on a one-off? Is there some way other than flying around trying to find random critters to level?
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Zobel » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:21 pm

fuzzygeek wrote:I've got an Ooze at 21 with a 16 spectral cub and 11 celestial dragon. I've been grinding the ooze since he has a pair of dots and an absorb, so generally doesn't have too much trouble killing an entire team himself.

Is there some way of making the grind from 21-25 less awful? Am I better off leveling a full team at a time or working on a one-off? Is there some way other than flying around trying to find random critters to level?


Random battles and pet trainer battles. Some of the trainers (like Farmer Nishi) are easy to beat with nearly any group. Others can be soloed or duoed with particular level 25 pets (e.g. Grandmaster Aki can be soloed with an Anubisath Idol), freeing you to swap in lower level pets. Each trainer can be done once per day, and the easy ones you'll want to hit everyday. It's nice to get 5,000 xp in a couple minutes' effort.

There seems to be a certain amount of xp available each battle, split among your <25 participants. So you might as well pair one <25 pet with two 25 pets, to quicken the pace.

You can also pick your zones based on which pet type you're leveling -- that magic ooze would probably do well against all those flying bugs in the Jade Forest.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Finkum » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:55 pm

Jabari wrote:Still haven't beaten any of the Pandaria Spirit Tamers yet, need a little more variety in my 25s, particularly a good Aquatic. :(


I find that Snails are the best counter to the Spirit Tamer elementals. They are critters, so take reduced elemental damage, have naturally large HP pools, and have Dive, which is strong against elementals, plus you can use it to avoid telegraphed attacks. The Thundering Spirit also has a stun and a second move with a 25% chance to stun, so the critter passive is invaluable there (Thundering is definitely the toughest of the 4 to beat).

fuzzygeek wrote:I've got an Ooze at 21 with a 16 spectral cub and 11 celestial dragon. I've been grinding the ooze since he has a pair of dots and an absorb, so generally doesn't have too much trouble killing an entire team himself.

Is there some way of making the grind from 21-25 less awful? Am I better off leveling a full team at a time or working on a one-off? Is there some way other than flying around trying to find random critters to level?


Until you have 3+ 25s, there isn't any easy way to speed up the grind. Once you do, as Zobel suggests, you can power-level a single lowbie pet by pairing it with 2 strong 25s and doing the Pandaria dailies. It's easy to get a level 1 all the way to level 25 in one set of dailies.

Typically I will do Grandmaster Aki first (swap the level 1 in when the cricket pet is healing, or when the otter is about to Dive, so it takes no damage), Farmer Nishi second (your pet will need to be at least level 2 to survive the sunflower's Sunlight attack), and then the Water Spirit third (two pets cast Tidal Wave frequently, so your pet needs to be level 12+ to survive). At this point your lowbie pet will be 17 or 18 and should be able to survive any of the other trainers with the possible exception of Thundering Spirit.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby fuzzygeek » Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:18 pm

Finkum wrote:Until you have 3+ 25s, there isn't any easy way to speed up the grind. Once you do, as Zobel suggests, you can power-level a single lowbie pet by pairing it with 2 strong 25s and doing the Pandaria dailies. It's easy to get a level 1 all the way to level 25 in one set of dailies.


Thanks for the pointers; still working on the first 25 and will likely just buy a few 25s once I finish the ooze; on my realm a random sampling ranges from 7-15k for level 25 pets.

Or maybe not. I'm still not quite sure why I'm doing this at all, other than it's there.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Flex » Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:37 pm

That's the best reason to do anything.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Finkum » Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:05 pm

fuzzygeek wrote:Or maybe not. I'm still not quite sure why I'm doing this at all, other than it's there.


I've found simply climbing the realm pet battle score ladder (as measured by wowprogress) oddly addictive. Apart from that, the Thundering Spirit Tamer fight is difficult enough that trying out new pet and ability combinations to see if I can find the perfect counter is fairly engaging too.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Newsom » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:55 pm

I found the most efficient way to level pets after 5.1 was to use two rare 25 DPS moths (high damage stats) to boost whatever I wanted to level up by just running around battling all the aquatics in Vale.

Since moths are flying they will be super effective against aquatic, and they also have an ability called Alpha Strike which deals extra damage if you go first, which you will 90% of the time thanks to the flying 50% speed bonus. One moth can usually 2-shot any of the aquatics there with Alpha Strike while taking minimal damage. Leveled probably 50+ of my pets to 1-25 this way.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Zobel » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:12 pm

When they hotfixed the trainers last month to prevent you from fighting them multiple times per day (by abandoning and re-accepting the quest), they forgot to hotfix the Darkmoon Faire pet trainer. They still have. As long as you don't turn in the quest, you can keep stuffing him full of tokens.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Flex » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:31 am

Got 3 of the 4 Spirit Tamer pets over the weekend and got up to 469 total pets.
Used Pet Battle Teams to build up teams for my trainer route, EK and Kalimdor grandmaster trainers, all Outland trainers and the Cataclysm trainers. I can substitute whatever pet I'm leveling into the free slot and get from 10 to 25 doing the trainers.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Mannstein » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:58 am

Flex wrote: Used Pet Battle Teams to build up teams for my trainer route, EK and Kalimdor grandmaster trainers, all Outland trainers and the Cataclysm trainers. I can substitute whatever pet I'm leveling into the free slot and get from 10 to 25 doing the trainers.

I have a lvl21, a lvl20 and a lvl19. I a noob in what works here. I'l ask some questions.
A) So when i reach lvl25 in all, i should use two lvl25 and place "lvl 1 Pet to be boosted" and go do the dailies?
B) Does he have to fight or can he just never engage and get the xp?
C) If so isn't he proned to get killed in a single round?

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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Zobel » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:12 am

Mannstein wrote:
Flex wrote: Used Pet Battle Teams to build up teams for my trainer route, EK and Kalimdor grandmaster trainers, all Outland trainers and the Cataclysm trainers. I can substitute whatever pet I'm leveling into the free slot and get from 10 to 25 doing the trainers.

I have a lvl21, a lvl20 and a lvl19. I a noob in what works here. I'l ask some questions.
A) So when i reach lvl25 in all, i should use two lvl25 and place "lvl 1 Pet to be boosted" and go do the dailies?
B) Does he have to fight or can he just never engage and get the xp?
C) If so isn't he proned to get killed in a single round?

Cheers and thanks in advance

It has to survive one round as the active pet. If it's in slot #1, it has to perform one action. If it's in slots #2 or #3, it can be swapped in and then immediately out. (You can't start with it in slot #1 and have its first action be to switch to another pet.)

Level 1 pets are certainly prone to getting one-shotted. Certain boosting pets can make that less likely, as with the Anubisath Idol's sandstorm or Darkmoon Zep / Mechanical Pandaren Dragonling's decoy. If you're clever, you can figure out which rounds your opponents are likely to spend buffing themselves and swap it in during those rounds.

I'm not convinced that flying around to all the trainers is more efficient time-wise than just fighting random level 24-25s in Pandaria, but you'll want to fight them anyway if you're hoping for a porcupette.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Flex » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:45 am

yea, once you get a full 25 team swap in pets to be leveled, easiest thing is to do a battle in MoP, a level 1 will get to level 5 from 1 fight and with facing lots of aquatics you tend to get a lot of buff rounds. Also you can go back and do a mid tier tamer fight with your 25s and you'll get decent XP for a quick boost.

I'm not convinced that flying around to all the trainers is more efficient time-wise than just fighting random level 24-25s in Pandaria, but you'll want to fight them anyway if you're hoping for a porcupette.


In my experience a level 25 tamer fight is worth about 3 to 5 regular Vale fights, I get anywhere from 440 to 700 XP for a vale fight (depending on quality of opponents and level range) with 10% from the Safari Hat, and once you get enough 25s to build strong groups they go pretty quickly. The Cataclysm trainers are quick travels due to the portals and are much easier than the Northrend ones.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Finkum » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:40 pm

Zobel wrote:I'm not convinced that flying around to all the trainers is more efficient time-wise than just fighting random level 24-25s in Pandaria, but you'll want to fight them anyway if you're hoping for a porcupette.


A Pandaria daily will award anywhere from 3000 - 4500 XP (depending on pet level), whereas a random battle will typically award 400 - 700. Once you've figured out a good pair of pets for each tamer, it should be more time efficient to do the dailies I think. Additionally, anecdotally you have a much better chance at upgrade stones from the reward bags (so far I've had ~10 stones from bags and only 1 from a random battle).
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Flex » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:45 am

Got the final spirit tamer pet today. Got a set up for the Darkmoon Tamer that wrecks his shit. My Mini Thor gets a work out, need to level another mechanical just to shake it up.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Zobel » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:51 am

A rare (battle-stone upgraded) mechanical pandaren dragonling appears to be very strong against the Darkmoon pet trainer: starting against the magic opponent, it can solo the first two opponents and blow up half the third.

The dragonling can beat Judgment with about 800 health left, thanks to its resistance to magic and dragon breath attack (strong against magic). Open with a decoy and do breath thereafter.

Against Honky-Tonk, you do breath for the first round and then lay down a decoy (which is very effective against Honky-Tonk's huge but infrequent attacks requiring charging). Keep doing breath until you can lay down another decoy. Thanks to the mechanical failsafe and decoys, as well as the dragonling's higher speed (once Judgment's speed debuff wears off), you should be able to make it to the monkey with a smidgen of life.

With its last bit of life and higher speed, you immediately explode the monkey for about 800 damage (mechanical explode being strong against beasts).

I figure a darkmoon zepelin should be able to swap in and lay down another decoy, letting you swap a lowbie pet in and out for xp before finishing the monkey. Alternatively, since the monkey always clobbers the first round, you should be able to just swap the lowbie in and let it get stunned but not damaged, and then immediately swap to your other pet. Nope, he doesn't always clobber, and the decoy gets eaten by bananas.

Unfortunately, they finally patched the trainer in the past couple days not to let you keep fighting him with extra tokens.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Flex » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:50 pm

Minfernal, finally!
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Re: Pet Battles

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Re: Pet Battles

Postby jere » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:59 am

Levelling lower level pets: I actually have had good luck with pitting them against pets that do the stampede like abilities. It is typically a lower damage attack and guaranteed to be 3 rounds (so you can do the swap mid stampeded and then swap out). You can't take unreasonably low level pets against it, but once you have enough health to survive one stampede round, it makes it easy to help boost them.

EDIT: On a side note, I have really started to enjoy skunks as a pet. I set them up with Attack,self heal,group heal and put them in the first slot. Their self heal usually heals more than an aquatic's and boosts Max HP for 9 rounds. What I usually do is attack a round or two until my health gets low enough for self heal to be efficient. Then I cast the self heal and get the health buff for the group (or front pet rather). After that, I switch out to a nuker and when the nuker gets below half health, I swap out with the skunk, do the group heal, an attack, and then the self heal again, and finally bring in the other nuker. I repeat this for a while and it usually takes a while to whittle me down if I don't kill stuff outright.
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Re: Pet Battles

Postby Zobel » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:04 am

jere wrote:Levelling lower level pets: I actually have had good luck with pitting them against pets that do the stampede like abilities. It is typically a lower damage attack and guaranteed to be 3 rounds (so you can do the swap mid stampeded and then swap out). You can't take unreasonably low level pets against it, but once you have enough health to survive one stampede round, it makes it easy to help boost them.

Sandstorm really shines against those, completely negating all damage. (It's why the Anubisath idol can solo Aki -- after surviving the dragon, it gets half a dozen or more rounds of healing against the cricket while taking no damage.) You can freely swap even the lowest of pets in and out without fear.
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