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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby mavfin » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:09 am

KysenMurrin wrote:It's just about adjusting. We've spent years having zones practically to ourselves, which wasn't intended, and now they're putting them back to the levels of activity they're meant to have. All that stuff about nodes, mobs, etc? The empty zone with everything to yourself was the broken state.


This, 1000x.

People, including many on here, have complained for years about empty zones. Blizzard fills them, and what do they get? QQ, of course. Business as usual for this playerbase.

As Kysen mentions, the empty zone that you had to yourself all the time was the broken thing.

([opinion])I think this is actually the first step down the road to 'no realms'. When they get this perfected, we'll have a PvP world, a PvE/Normal world, an RP-PvP world, and an RP-Normal/PvE world that you share with the population of your region on a zone-by-zone basis, merging/splitting zones as needed. This is just the first painful step.

I also think that AH changes of some kind are down the road, but, exactly what those may be I don't know yet. I think they'll move away from the realm-only one, and might even merge horde/alliance AH.(/opinion)
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby halabar » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:47 am

Darielle wrote:You find it much more believable that they have a conspiracy based around lying about an entire motivation, as opposed to them doing something about something they previously didn't have a plan on doing anything with?


Who's the nut that's making this that I'm coming up with some dark conspiracy here?

I'm simply looking at what they are doing, and it doesn't make a lot of sense unless it's in a virtualized server environment. Why is it so hard to fathom that they made an architectural change that allows them to make a change like this?
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby halabar » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:52 am

mavfin wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:It's just about adjusting. We've spent years having zones practically to ourselves, which wasn't intended, and now they're putting them back to the levels of activity they're meant to have. All that stuff about nodes, mobs, etc? The empty zone with everything to yourself was the broken state.


This, 1000x.

People, including many on here, have complained for years about empty zones. Blizzard fills them, and what do they get? QQ, of course. Business as usual for this playerbase.


It's too be expected. You give the playerbase a "broken" environment for long enough, and they adapt to it. When if finally changes, of course people are going to be upset with some effects of the change.

So now you see more people in Ungoro than you do in Ironforge. Yep, working as intended.
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:09 am

halabar wrote:
Darielle wrote:You find it much more believable that they have a conspiracy based around lying about an entire motivation, as opposed to them doing something about something they previously didn't have a plan on doing anything with?


Who's the nut that's making this that I'm coming up with some dark conspiracy here?

I'm simply looking at what they are doing, and it doesn't make a lot of sense unless it's in a virtualized server environment. Why is it so hard to fathom that they made an architectural change that allows them to make a change like this?

But you're making the jump from how they did it to why they did it.
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby bldavis » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:12 am

halabar wrote:
mavfin wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:It's just about adjusting. We've spent years having zones practically to ourselves, which wasn't intended, and now they're putting them back to the levels of activity they're meant to have. All that stuff about nodes, mobs, etc? The empty zone with everything to yourself was the broken state.


This, 1000x.

People, including many on here, have complained for years about empty zones. Blizzard fills them, and what do they get? QQ, of course. Business as usual for this playerbase.


It's too be expected. You give the playerbase a "broken" environment for long enough, and they adapt to it. When if finally changes, of course people are going to be upset with some effects of the change.

So now you see more people in Ungoro than you do in Ironforge. Yep, working as intended.

honestly how many ppl do you see in an cuty beyond Ogr/SW anyway?
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby mavfin » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:22 am

bldavis wrote:honestly how many ppl do you see in an cuty beyond Ogr/SW anyway?


Interestingly enough, you see more in Shatt/Dalaran than in the old world cities anymore, since they're combining those cities, but not the old-world ones.
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Sabindeus » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:29 am

halabar wrote:CRZ-AH would be an utter disaster.

If they did that..

1) The AH would be ruled by those that camp the AH 24-7, and there would be little chance for profit ever.
2) Gathering would be worthless, as the botters would always have the price down at the lowest possible.
3) Finding deals on rare items would be very hard, as they would be gone instantly because of scan-bots.

You don't want to go there.


i dunno, this sounds pretty great to me
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Worldie » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:07 am

A cross realm AH doesn't have to include all the realms. I was talking specifically to low pop realm. Combining 4-5 low pop realm so their AH matches the one of a Full realm would only do good to them.
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby halabar » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:39 am

Sabindeus wrote:
halabar wrote:CRZ-AH would be an utter disaster.

If they did that..

1) The AH would be ruled by those that camp the AH 24-7, and there would be little chance for profit ever.
2) Gathering would be worthless, as the botters would always have the price down at the lowest possible.
3) Finding deals on rare items would be very hard, as they would be gone instantly because of scan-bots.

You don't want to go there.


i dunno, this sounds pretty great to me


You really want to surrender the AH to the 24/7 botters?
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Sabindeus » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:55 am

halabar wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:
halabar wrote:CRZ-AH would be an utter disaster.

If they did that..

1) The AH would be ruled by those that camp the AH 24-7, and there would be little chance for profit ever.
2) Gathering would be worthless, as the botters would always have the price down at the lowest possible.
3) Finding deals on rare items would be very hard, as they would be gone instantly because of scan-bots.

You don't want to go there.


i dunno, this sounds pretty great to me


You really want to surrender the AH to the 24/7 botters?


Two responses, one flippant the other serious:

1. Dude I want to BE one of the botters

2. Here's what I use the AH for:
- Raw mats to level my blacksmithing
- Item enhancements (gems, scrolls, leg kits, etc.)
So a price race to the bottom is exactly what I want to see on the AH.
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby halabar » Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:23 pm

Sabindeus wrote:Two responses, one flippant the other serious:

1. Dude I want to BE one of the botters

2. Here's what I use the AH for:
- Raw mats to level my blacksmithing
- Item enhancements (gems, scrolls, leg kits, etc.)
So a price race to the bottom is exactly what I want to see on the AH.


So for #2, you really don't care where it comes from, as long as it's cheap, or that your fellow guildies can't make any money except by doing dailies?

For #1, do a search for certain German websites. You'll find it eventually. :wink:
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby bldavis » Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:34 pm

halabar wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:Two responses, one flippant the other serious:

1. Dude I want to BE one of the botters

2. Here's what I use the AH for:
- Raw mats to level my blacksmithing
- Item enhancements (gems, scrolls, leg kits, etc.)
So a price race to the bottom is exactly what I want to see on the AH.


So for #2, you really don't care where it comes from, as long as it's cheap, or that your fellow guildies can't make any money except by doing dailies?

For #1, do a search for certain German websites. You'll find it eventually. :wink:

that is why i gather most of my own mats, and have an army of crafters
if a guildie is an AH baron ON A DEAD SERVER, they arent making that much money anyway

htough as a scribe on Terenas, i wouldnt mind seeing the glyph market drop a little
250g+ for each and every fucking glyph is ridiculous.
and if you try to get into the market, you are INSTANTLY undercut
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby halabar » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:08 pm

bldavis wrote:htough as a scribe on Terenas, i wouldnt mind seeing the glyph market drop a little
250g+ for each and every fucking glyph is ridiculous.
and if you try to get into the market, you are INSTANTLY undercut


Those be bots (or day-campers, or both).
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Sabindeus » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:17 pm

halabar wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:Two responses, one flippant the other serious:

1. Dude I want to BE one of the botters

2. Here's what I use the AH for:
- Raw mats to level my blacksmithing
- Item enhancements (gems, scrolls, leg kits, etc.)
So a price race to the bottom is exactly what I want to see on the AH.


So for #2, you really don't care where it comes from, as long as it's cheap, or that your fellow guildies can't make any money except by doing dailies?

For #1, do a search for certain German websites. You'll find it eventually. :wink:



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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby halabar » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:57 pm

Sabindeus wrote:Wtf is a guildie? They all stopped playing WoW in March 2011.


You know all those group of players that Worldie breaks up?.. them.
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Teranoid » Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:54 pm

halabar wrote:You really want to surrender the AH to the 24/7 botters?


Doesn't bother me but then again I don't pay 15 bucks a month to sit on the AH 24/7 to make a bunch of gold I'll never spend.
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby halabar » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:00 pm

Teranoid wrote:
halabar wrote:You really want to surrender the AH to the 24/7 botters?


Doesn't bother me but then again I don't pay 15 bucks a month to sit on the AH 24/7 to make a bunch of gold I'll never spend.


of course, the game is only for raiding, after all.... :roll:
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Teranoid » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:02 pm

halabar wrote:
Teranoid wrote:
halabar wrote:You really want to surrender the AH to the 24/7 botters?


Doesn't bother me but then again I don't pay 15 bucks a month to sit on the AH 24/7 to make a bunch of gold I'll never spend.


of course, the game is only for raiding, after all.... :roll:


You realize you are getting absolutely no sympathy in this thread from anyone right? Why do you keep posting?
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby halabar » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:05 pm

Teranoid wrote:You realize you are getting absolutely no sympathy in this thread from anyone right? Why do you keep posting?


Yep, the raiders have said how the game should be, I should meekly comply.. :roll:
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Holyblaze » Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:17 pm

Jabari wrote:I dunno, I think it'll be ok once they work out the bugs. *shrug*

Though they may have overdone it a bit in some cases. Went to the Molten Front yesterday and there were probably 30 people all jammed together in the first area. Getting 5 dogs tagged took a while...

About 1/4 of them were PvP flagged as well. Not sure how the whole area didn't erupt into a gigantic warzone actually. :lol: Last couple DS runs I've done the area right at the meeting stone WAS a warzone! Reminded me of the old days inside Blackrock Mountain on a PvP server.


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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Skye1013 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:38 pm

halabar wrote:So for #2, you really don't care where it comes from, as long as it's cheap, or that your fellow guildies can't make any money except by doing dailies?

Someone has to do those dailies* or else there isn't any money for you to make on the AH anyway. Honestly, I'd think it'd make AH PvP more of a challenge for AH barons, since they have to now figure out how to make money with everyone having cheap resources, or time it in between bot bans.



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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby mavfin » Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:07 pm

halabar wrote:
Teranoid wrote:You realize you are getting absolutely no sympathy in this thread from anyone right? Why do you keep posting?


Yep, the raiders have said how the game should be, I should meekly comply.. :roll:


I'm not agreeing with you either, and I'm hardly one of the 'raiders' you speak of.
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Sabindeus » Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:17 am

halabar wrote:
Teranoid wrote:You realize you are getting absolutely no sympathy in this thread from anyone right? Why do you keep posting?


Yep, the raiders have said how the game should be, I should meekly comply.. :roll:


Dude, I haven't raided since last year. As a guy with no guildmates on a dead server who made all his gold years ago, and literally can't enchant his legs because no one on his faction puts them up on the AH, I honestly would prefer if the AH were cross server. I understand that if you are a seller on the AH then this is clearly bad for you, but it would significantly improve MY gameplay experience.
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Nikachelle » Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:25 am

Sabindeus wrote:
halabar wrote:
Teranoid wrote:You realize you are getting absolutely no sympathy in this thread from anyone right? Why do you keep posting?


Yep, the raiders have said how the game should be, I should meekly comply.. :roll:


Dude, I haven't raided since last year. As a guy with no guildmates on a dead server who made all his gold years ago, and literally can't enchant his legs because no one on his faction puts them up on the AH, I honestly would prefer if the AH were cross server. I understand that if you are a seller on the AH then this is clearly bad for you, but it would significantly improve MY gameplay experience.

Why don't you transfer Sab?
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Re: CRZ goodies...

Postby Sabindeus » Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:47 am

Nikachelle wrote:Why don't you transfer Sab?


Why? Where would I go? I'm not interested in raiding X nights per week.
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