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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Zobel » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:39 pm

masterpoobaa wrote:
the world use to feel big, but now very small.


And with my main: Crusader Aura + 310% speed mount = flying direct on my sparklepony is always faster than using the flightpaths.

Of course, they're removing crusader aura in MoP.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby bldavis » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:16 pm

masterpoobaa wrote:I saw that... at level 44 my Priest had to ride to WPL to get the FP. Soon as she dingged 45 presto - all the other WPL FP's show up.

Handy, but yet another thing that kills the exploration/immersion IMHO.

esp for someone like me who had most of northrend explored at 75
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby masterpoobaa » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:25 pm

Of course, they're removing crusader aura in MoP.


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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:38 pm

Zobel wrote:Of course, they're removing crusader aura in MoP.

Wasn't there a discussion in one of these threads that said it's being built into baseline paladin stuff and called "Heart of the Crusader"?
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:00 am

That's correct, it's still in.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Worldie » Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:08 am

Though I'm still going to miss the random QQ about Crusader Aura in LFR.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Fetzie » Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:20 am

Worldie wrote:Though I'm still going to miss the random QQ about Crusader Aura in LFR.


Especially when you have 6 paladins and have every aura anyway :)
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bldavis wrote:we are trying to extend it as long as we can...it just never seems to last very long
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:39 am

It's like the people who demand Might when they have an Enh Shaman, a MM Hunter, and a Blood DK.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Fetzie » Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:59 am

To be fair, you might run out of range of the shaman, hunter or dk, or they may die. In both cases, you would lose the AP buff immediately. If you had BoM on the other hand, you would keep the buff even if you are more than (is it 40 yards?) away from the player, which can happen very easily, or if the paladin casting BoM dies.
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bldavis wrote:we are trying to extend it as long as we can...it just never seems to last very long
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Worldie » Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:04 am

The aura from enha/mm/dk is 100 yd, difficult to run out of range.

Also, Might also gives MP5, which is why it's preferable to the auras.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:29 am

Yeah, but it's rarely the casters asking for it.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Fetzie » Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:40 am

Worldie wrote:The aura from enha/mm/dk is 100 yd, difficult to run out of range.

Also, Might also gives MP5, which is why it's preferable to the auras.


Warlock Felhunters give mp5 aura.

However, I wouldn't trust most people in LFR to fasten up Velcro shoes, let alone not die during a fight.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Worldie » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:36 am

99% of the warlocks run with the lolguard (not realizing it's nerfing their dps)
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Shoju » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:40 am

Worldie wrote:99% of the warlocks run with the lolguard (not realizing it's nerfing their dps)



When I realized the felguard was not the top dps pet for single target demo, I stopped playing demo. But then, as I found out, I was a pretty fail warlock anyway.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Fetzie » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:50 am

Shoju wrote:
Worldie wrote:99% of the warlocks run with the lolguard (not realizing it's nerfing their dps)



When I realized the felguard was not the top dps pet for single target demo, I stopped playing demo. But then, as I found out, I was a pretty fail warlock anyway.


I either play affliction, or no warlock at all. If I wanted to throw fireballs, I would level a fire mage.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby halabar » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:57 am

Lol at the panicers canceling their accounts over the hacking, guess Blizz is going to loose some more customers...
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:00 am

halabar wrote:Lol at the panicers canceling their accounts over the hacking, guess Blizz is going to loose some more customers...

People are actually cancelling? Don't they realize that even if the hackers did access their data, it's already too late?

And another thing I don't get about this... why are people SO WORRIED about their credit card numbers being located? Ultimately, the bank is responsible if fraudulent activity happens on your account. You didn't make that charge for $2000? No problem, the credit card company will refund you.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Shoju » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:04 am

I don't know how it is in canada, but in the US, the "fear" of Identity Theft is rampant.

I run my businesses website through paypal. Even the merchant account, because instead of our small business trying to stay ahead on security measures, it's Paypal's bill, and I'm ok with paying a little more per transaction to keep it that way.

You would be blow away by how many people still call in to give me a card over the phone because they just can't stand the idea of putting that info online, because "WHAT IF THEY STEAL MAH IDENTITY!?"
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:24 am

I haven't noticed the fear of identity theft to be that high in this country (other than old fogeys being too nervous to put their credit cards in online).
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby halabar » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:28 am

Nikachelle wrote:
halabar wrote:Lol at the panicers canceling their accounts over the hacking, guess Blizz is going to loose some more customers...

People are actually cancelling? Don't they realize that even if the hackers did access their data, it's already too late?


People are smart?

It also started another wave of the "Waahh.. D3 is online only.. I wanna play offline in my cave.. RMAH.. Waah..."
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby halabar » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:29 am

Nikachelle wrote:I haven't noticed the fear of identity theft to be that high in this country (other than old fogeys being too nervous to put their credit cards in online).


We have a lot of old fogeys... (ATMs are still dangerous and new...)
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:41 am

halabar wrote:
Nikachelle wrote:I haven't noticed the fear of identity theft to be that high in this country (other than old fogeys being too nervous to put their credit cards in online).


We have a lot of old fogeys... (ATMs are still dangerous and new...)

LOL I used to be a bank teller while I was in university, and I always used to point out that tellers always had to deal with idiots and old people. They were either idiots because they couldn't figure out how to use a bank machine or they were old and didn't trust the bank machine. All the smart/"with it" people always used online banking and ABMs so your customer base as a teller was pretty dismal to begin with!
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby halabar » Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:29 am

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Nikachelle wrote:I haven't noticed the fear of identity theft to be that high in this country (other than old fogeys being too nervous to put their credit cards in online).


We have a lot of old fogeys... (ATMs are still dangerous and new...)

LOL I used to be a bank teller while I was in university, and I always used to point out that tellers always had to deal with idiots and old people. They were either idiots because they couldn't figure out how to use a bank machine or they were old and didn't trust the bank machine. All the smart/"with it" people always used online banking and ABMs so your customer base as a teller was pretty dismal to begin with!


Add in the people that are pissed off that they have to go see a teller because they couldn't accomplish their task online or at the ATM.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Fridmarr » Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:47 am

Nikachelle wrote:
halabar wrote:Lol at the panicers canceling their accounts over the hacking, guess Blizz is going to loose some more customers...

People are actually cancelling? Don't they realize that even if the hackers did access their data, it's already too late?

And another thing I don't get about this... why are people SO WORRIED about their credit card numbers being located? Ultimately, the bank is responsible if fraudulent activity happens on your account. You didn't make that charge for $2000? No problem, the credit card company will refund you.

Well a couple of things, I'm not sure what you mean by it's already too late. We don't know precisely yet what information was compromised, or if battle.net is even able to determine that conclusively.

Secondly, it's hardly trivial to have someone racking up fraudulent charges on your cards, even if you can ultimately get it cleared there are all sorts of annoying problems. Also, some people use debit cards, meaning until they can get the transactions cleared their actual money is gone, that's a really big deal when you try to use that money to pay bills and stuff.
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Re: So I heard Blizzard is losing customers

Postby Nikachelle » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:03 am

Fridmarr wrote:Well a couple of things, I'm not sure what you mean by it's already too late. We don't know precisely yet what information was compromised, or if battle.net is even able to determine that conclusively.

Secondly, it's hardly trivial to have someone racking up fraudulent charges on your cards, even if you can ultimately get it cleared there are all sorts of annoying problems. Also, some people use debit cards, meaning until they can get the transactions cleared their actual money is gone, that's a really big deal when you try to use that money to pay bills and stuff.

If the hackers have already accessed Blizzard's database (even if Blizzard doesn't know the extent of it), then chances are they already have your information. People who cancel their accounts now aren't protecting themselves from anything if the information is already leaked.

Also, debit cards tend to have pretty severe withdrawal restrictions on them, especially when compared to credit cards. Most banks actually reduce cash withdrawal limits to around $200-$500 a week in order to prevent large fraud. Online purchases may be limited at $1000 per week (often lower). I understand these amounts aren't trivial to some people (I'm not saying it's trivial to me either for the record), but the chances of actually losing that money are slim to begin with. Banks already have security precautions in place that usually prevent fraud before it even happens - I mean, how many times have people been on vacation in another country and your bank's basically gone "OH SHIT FRAUD. LOCK THAT DAMN CARD DOWN" and you're no longer able to use that card? If your transaction history is such that your card is being used in a location you are unlikely to go to and/or does not reflect your typical transaction records, the bank is more than likely to shut your card down first and ask questions later.

I just really want to dissolve this mass fear that seems to happen whenever someone gets access to your information. At the end of the day, you are not responsible and you WILL get your money back (if you even lose it in the first place).
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