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Re: Post Your Amusements!

Postby Flex » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:51 pm

Klaudandus wrote:The damage is done for me. Once they new consoles are out, I am going with a PS4 even though I currently own a 360.

The whole class action suit forfeiture upon acceptance of their XBone ToS pretty much sucks.


Didn't Sony do the same thing with an updated ToS after the PSN hack?
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Re: Post Your Amusements!

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:52 pm

I honestly don't remember, but then again, I dont have a PS3.
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Re: Post Your Amusements!

Postby Fetzie » Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:58 pm

You can still bring an individual case against them though, can't you?


(ToU and EULAs aren't legally binding documents in Europe)
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Re: Post Your Amusements!

Postby Nooska » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:30 am

An'd I'm pretty sure a prohiibition to bring class action lawsuits isn't legally binding in all 50 states either.
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Re: Post Your Amusements!

Postby benebarba » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:31 am

Nooska wrote:An'd I'm pretty sure a prohiibition to bring class action lawsuits isn't legally binding in all 50 states either.


I am fairly certain (at least based on some lawyer-friends comments - IANAL) there is a fair bit of legal precident for not being able to waive your right to file a lawsuit (but perhaps it was only in certain specific cases? dunno). I do believe that some waivers can be used to move for the *dismissal* of a suit, provided they meet the appropriate contract law requirements regarding the specific suit.
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Re: Post Your Amusements!

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:28 am

Nooska wrote:An'd I'm pretty sure a prohiibition to bring class action lawsuits isn't legally binding in all 50 states either.


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Re: Post Your Amusements!

Postby halabar » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:54 am

Umm... we are talking uproar and outrage over not being able to sue the maker of a game box, right?.. Sure, they are bastards, but it is a game box..
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Re: Post Your Amusements!

Postby benebarba » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:57 am

halabar wrote:Umm... we are talking uproar and outrage over not being able to sue the maker of a game box, right?.. Sure, they are bastards, but it is a game box..


Contract lawyers probably don't see it (the SC decision and it's results, that is) that way. And I'm not sure I can disagree with the idea.

-- edited to add: actually, all I've seen discussed on legal blogs, law school class sites, etc. is that the SC decision only related to arbitration clauses (i.e. sounds like you can go to arbitration but not sue for damages if the contract so states), so I wonder how much comes down to a writer's interpretation vs actual legal interpretation. I assume this is mainly people getting pissed about the fact that they think they may have no or little recourse if the Red Circle of Doom happens again.

On to actual amusement: terrible reviews pouring in for WWZ, which seems to be yet another 'let's call it the same thing as a well-recieved book and hope we make loads of money' movie.
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Re: Post Your Amusements!

Postby Chunes » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:59 am

Pretty much every time a WWZ trailer would play, my wife would get pissed and start going off on tirades about how they bastardized the book's plot, shoved brad pitt into the main role to draw in audiences, totally fucked up the whole zombie flavor in the movie and basically stated the writer/director/producer and their families and friends should all be round up and shot.

Suffice to say, she loved the book.
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Re: Post Your Amusements!

Postby benebarba » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:05 am

Chunes wrote:Pretty much every time a WWZ trailer would play, my wife would get pissed and start going off on tirades about how they bastardized the book's plot, shoved brad pitt into the main role to draw in audiences, totally fucked up the whole zombie flavor in the movie and basically stated the writer/director/producer and their families and friends should all be round up and shot.

Suffice to say, she loved the book.


I quite liked the way it was written, specifically because it wasn't a first or third person horror story pulling out yet another old trope. I had thought the book would be difficult to make into as good a movie because, well, documentaries (which the book was written in the style of, in case you hadn't read it) are usually found to be quite boring. So I wasn't terribly surprised it became a big-budget action flick that has barely even a passing resemblance to the book. Had they even tried for more of a 'disaster movie' feel, I think it would have been better. Well, that or not making it at all and letting this stupid zombie craze start it's final path to oblivion.

Well, that or it could be getting the John Carter treatment... but somehow I doubt that since at least a couple reviews I read were familiar with the book.
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Re: Post Your Amusements!

Postby Chunes » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:08 am

I read the book and loved it. I think given an ambitious enough director, the movie could probably have been faithfully done, but it wouldn't be a "summer blockbuster", but rather a more cerebral look at the whole zombie apocalypse.

But... that kind of thing doesn't sell as well, so they just put it through the hollywood juicer and spoonfed it to the masses.
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Re: Post Your Amusements!

Postby cdan » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:22 am

Its been getting decent reviews and has barely been released. Not sure why there are the doom and gloom suggestions above.
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Re: Post Your Amusements!

Postby benebarba » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:32 am

cdan wrote:Its been getting decent reviews and has barely been released. Not sure why there are the doom and gloom suggestions above.


*shrug* I saw probably 5 published reviews which panned it and just checked rotten tomatoes is up to 86 already with a ~70% rating. The RT reviews seem to peg on if you were expecting the book or another zombie movie.
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Re: Post Your Amusements!

Postby cdan » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:55 am

benebarba wrote:
cdan wrote:Its been getting decent reviews and has barely been released. Not sure why there are the doom and gloom suggestions above.


*shrug* I saw probably 5 published reviews which panned it and just checked rotten tomatoes is up to 86 already with a ~70% rating. The RT reviews seem to peg on if you were expecting the book or another zombie movie.


There is an article on the Guardian site today that sums it all up for me - about how disappointed people are that it isn't a giant turkey as expense flops are the most welcome kind for a lot of people. John Carter and Heaven's Gate were amongst several examples used.
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Re: Post Your Amusements!

Postby Fenrìr » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:25 am

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