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Re: Dev Watercooler - The Great Item Squish (or Not) of Pand

Postby Flex » Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:34 am

imgur does time stamp the files uploaded to it. That "leak" was uploaded on October 22nd 2011 at 10:53GMT.
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Re: Dev Watercooler - The Great Item Squish (or Not) of Pand

Postby Skye1013 » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:47 pm

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rodos wrote:There's no more WoW xpacks on the list after that.

Or, indeed, anything else.

In 2015, after releasing the second expansion pack for Diablo 3, Blizzard is going to close shop and fly back home to the stars.

Assuming the world doesn't end in 2012 (gogoMayancalendar!) then it's obviously ending in 2015, so Blizz didn't feel the need to plan past that.
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Re: Dev Watercooler - The Great Item Squish (or Not) of Pand

Postby Sagara » Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:35 am

Does that mean that Blizzard has acces to the super-secret Mayan Calendar v2.0, that ends the world in 2015?

Maybe THAT's why Rohnin has a Raptor army? To curry favor before the great Raptor God so they will be eaten last? (thanks xkcd :p)
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Re: Dev Watercooler - The Great Item Squish (or Not) of Pand

Postby rodos » Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:03 pm

Flex wrote:imgur does time stamp the files uploaded to it. That "leak" was uploaded on October 22nd 2011 at 10:53GMT.

That's very interesting, because when I looked at it the imgur timestamp was earlier. It was exactly that which made me think "omg maybe it's real". If you have an account, you can re-upload imgur images. I wonder if the site has changed from displaying date of initial upload to date of last upload (maybe even in response to this "incident").
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Re: Dev Watercooler - The Great Item Squish (or Not) of Pand

Postby PsiVen » Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:58 pm

Zobel wrote:
rodos wrote:Also, while search for leak info, found this. Wow. Why did I not hear about that leak when it happened?

Because that leak probably "happened" retroactively.

See, e.g. "This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine."


That "leak" has some subtly preposterous jokes in there... Not very convincing.

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Koatanga wrote:I think they have a growth rate that would last them through the WoW life cycle, which probably only has a couple more expansions left in it, at best.

I bet that's what the BC team thought, too, which is why we ended up with this problem in the first place.


The BC team thought that having raid gear and heroic 5-man gear all around the same ilvl as regular 5-man gear would work out. I don't think they had any idea when they designed the rating system how inflation per expansion would go, and they're quite right that exponential growth is necessary for upgrades to feel worthwhile.
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Re: Dev Watercooler - The Great Item Squish (or Not) of Pand

Postby Archeth » Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:05 am

To be fair the level 110-115 blues vs. level 100 epics vs. level 105 epics thing wasn't the only thing that went wrong, the difficulty between normal 70 dungeons, heroic dungeons, Kara and the 25-man T4 raids was totally out of whack too.
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Re: Dev Watercooler - The Great Item Squish (or Not) of Pand

Postby Tev » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:34 pm

You know one thing that I see neglected when they release new content patches is blue/green gear. I never understood why, once you hit iLvL X epix with a new patch, are there no blue and green drops of the same iLvL.

Just a random thought, but I never really did research just how much of a stat difference it would be (perhaps that is the reason, green/blue/purp quality items don't have enough of a gap between them?).

Just a random gear thought.
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Re: Dev Watercooler - The Great Item Squish (or Not) of Pand

Postby Sabindeus » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:45 pm

In Cataclysm they changed uncommon/rare/epic qualities to not have an effect on stat allocation, so that's why.
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Re: Dev Watercooler - The Great Item Squish (or Not) of Pand

Postby Zalaria » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:06 pm

I have wondered what the effect would be if anything on the JP vendor or dropped in 5-mans was blue. With the new Cata ilevel setup, that has no effect on item value, but it seems like that would give some distinction to raiders without hurting 5-manners. The community might balk though, since "blue=inferior" has been ingrained in us since vanilla.

It would also help the scarcity of heavenly shards, though maelstrom shatter is fixing that too.
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Re: Dev Watercooler - The Great Item Squish (or Not) of Pand

Postby Nikachelle » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:11 pm

Zalaria wrote:I have wondered what the effect would be if anything on the JP vendor or dropped in 5-mans was blue. With the new Cata ilevel setup, that has no effect on item value, but it seems like that would give some distinction to raiders without hurting 5-manners. The community might balk though, since "blue=inferior" has been ingrained in us since vanilla.

?? We had this right at the start of Cataclysm.
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Re: Dev Watercooler - The Great Item Squish (or Not) of Pand

Postby Flex » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:21 pm

Nikachelle wrote:
Zalaria wrote:I have wondered what the effect would be if anything on the JP vendor or dropped in 5-mans was blue. With the new Cata ilevel setup, that has no effect on item value, but it seems like that would give some distinction to raiders without hurting 5-manners. The community might balk though, since "blue=inferior" has been ingrained in us since vanilla.

?? We had this right at the start of Cataclysm.


and one of the many numerous complaints at launch was "wtf blizzard no purple at the end of these long grueling impossible heroics?!"
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Re: Dev Watercooler - The Great Item Squish (or Not) of Pand

Postby Nikachelle » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:25 pm

Flex wrote:
Nikachelle wrote:
Zalaria wrote:I have wondered what the effect would be if anything on the JP vendor or dropped in 5-mans was blue. With the new Cata ilevel setup, that has no effect on item value, but it seems like that would give some distinction to raiders without hurting 5-manners. The community might balk though, since "blue=inferior" has been ingrained in us since vanilla.

?? We had this right at the start of Cataclysm.


and one of the many numerous complaints at launch was "wtf blizzard no purple at the end of these long grueling impossible heroics?!"

Maybe on the official forums. In game people who had heroic blue gear with a smattering of epics were praised for it. On my server anyway. Adding the "heroic" tag to blue gear certainly helped.
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Re: Dev Watercooler - The Great Item Squish (or Not) of Pand

Postby Flex » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:28 pm

Nikachelle wrote:Maybe on the official forums. In game people who had heroic blue gear with a smattering of epics were praised for it. On my server anyway. Adding the "heroic" tag to blue gear certainly helped.


Your server is weird/I typically only notice mounts.
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Re: Dev Watercooler - The Great Item Squish (or Not) of Pand

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:32 pm

They don't add more gear to the Justice vendor each patch, only downgrade the Valor vendor gear, so it's natural that even if they start with blues it all ends up epics. if they want to distinguish the source of the gear they'd need to downgrade the colour of the items too, which would be awkward, or just add new gear.

And people really do get caught up in the colour of the item, often feeling bad about replacing an epic with a green or blue even if it's obviously better. But that doesn't mean it's not something that could be changed - all it would take is putting up with the bitching when they first implement it then waiting for everyone to just get used to it. Having colour consistently correspond to source of the item rather than purple just meaning "above ilevel x in expansion y" would make more sense.
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Re: Dev Watercooler - The Great Item Squish (or Not) of Pand

Postby Sabindeus » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:33 pm

Flex wrote:
Nikachelle wrote:
Zalaria wrote:I have wondered what the effect would be if anything on the JP vendor or dropped in 5-mans was blue. With the new Cata ilevel setup, that has no effect on item value, but it seems like that would give some distinction to raiders without hurting 5-manners. The community might balk though, since "blue=inferior" has been ingrained in us since vanilla.

?? We had this right at the start of Cataclysm.


and one of the many numerous complaints at launch was "wtf blizzard no purple at the end of these long grueling impossible heroics?!"

I never saw this complaint
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