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Re: One tank fights

Postby Milius » Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:32 am

Lieris wrote:
If that's the case then they aren't very bright. There's no benefit to a second tank for Rhyolith and Baleroc would be impossible to meet the DPS requirements with two tanks.


Rhyolith, There is no need.
Baleroc? The enrage is hardly a problem and I can't imagine dropping a DPS for an extra Tank having that much of an effect on you killing the boss. Pre-nerf sure, you couldn't 2 tank it. Post-nerf? You could probably run with 5 dps and the enrage would be nps.

Edit : Ultraxion does read like a 1 tank fight, can't recall reading anything you'd need to tank swap on?
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Re: One tank fights

Postby Lieris » Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:37 am

Milius wrote:Baleroc? The enrage is hardly a problem and I can't imagine dropping a DPS for an extra Tank having that much of an effect on you killing the boss. Pre-nerf sure, you couldn't 2 tank it. Post-nerf? You could probably run with 5 dps and the enrage would be nps.


I don't think post-nerf Baleroc is worth talking about.
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Re: One tank fights

Postby lythac » Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:40 am

Treck wrote:I would think they would wanna aim for all fights beeing 2tank fights with the lfr finder coming up, not always the 2nd tank will have an offspecc.

In LFR on single tank fights the other tank can just DPS in tank spec, the tuning should be incredibly low that it will not matter. IMO LFR raids are going to be tuned around having 5 AFKers and 5 people attracted to fire so the issue of having tanks without a DPS spec is non existant.
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Re: One tank fights

Postby Treck » Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:40 am

Milius wrote:Edit : Ultraxion does read like a 1 tank fight, can't recall reading anything you'd need to tank swap on?

Read the fading light ability then.

Completely forgot about Hagara. So ill give it 3, with the possibility of the faceless stacking healingdebuff might require 2tanks if he stacks it faster in heroic.
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Re: One tank fights

Postby fuzzygeek » Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:59 am

I can see Blizzard thinking that 3rd or 4th string tanks could anchor their own raiding teams, thus creating jerbs for another set of DPS and healers. I don't know that it'll work out that way, and it's kind of shit for established raiding groups. There was a lot of yelling when 40m got reduced to 25m, as well.
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Re: One tank fights

Postby Holyblaze » Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:49 pm

Levantine wrote:We just have the druid go kitty, but I guess we lucked out since he actually enjoys being a cat quite a bit. The whole thing seems like a self fulfilling prophecy to me. There's a lack of willing tanks so blizzard designs around a single primary tank so there's fewer tanks in the pool so the lack of main tanks increases so blizzard is forced to keep making encounters with single tanks.



This. I do think that this will further shrink the tanking pool. DPS for raids and Tank for 5 mans. Kinda how it goes anymore though, as I do not see how they can correct coarse at this point.
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Re: One tank fights

Postby Relwynd » Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:34 pm

Currently I'm the tank that goes DPS for fights... and it bothers me, but not as much as seeing my co-tank's DPS gear (ungemmed and unenchanted to the point it is insulting) Sounds like I will be going DPS more than I really want to.
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Re: One tank fights

Postby Crimsonheart » Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:59 pm

co-tank's dps set not enchanted/gemmed is a raid leader/guild leader issue not yours. All you are doing is setting a precedence that he is the "Main Tank". If you are the raid leader, you tell him he needs gemmed and enchanted within 2 weeks for his offspec, or he will be sat (or never allowed to roll on offspec stuff, whichever you want, which you want to tank...so he needs to set it up).
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Re: One tank fights

Postby Kelaan » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:08 am

My raid leader(s) know that my off-spec is PvP prot, rather than DPS. My dps weapon is a 346 2H (well, now I got the mace from Jeklik...), and I've never soaked up any off-role gear. So, I tank single-tank fights. This is fine when I'm doing well, but it's frustrating when it's a farm fight for everyone but me because I've raided Firelands three times (four?) and been on indefinite hiatus due to the new baby. :)

In T10, I went DPS. I do like it, actually. I just am not practiced at 4.x Ret, nor geared, etc etc. I suspect that the 4.3 dungeon gears will let me put together a good set without much fuss, and then I can respec my second spec back to DPS... I never get to PvP anyway.
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Re: One tank fights

Postby sahiel » Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:53 am

Pyrea wrote:We single tank Rhyolith, Baleroc and Majordomo heroic (10 man). Our warrior really likes going fury so he goes dps on those bosses.

Same for us except my co-tank is a druid who enjoys kitty and since we have no rogue he's soaked up almost a full heroic set by now.

It does seem odd that only one fight was "designed" for a single tank given how obviously it rewarded you solo tanking these three fights. If that's accurate I expect we'll see more solo tank fights then Blizzard planned, probably a similar number as has been discussed, 3 (possibly 4) rather than 1 or 2 as they intended.
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Re: One tank fights

Postby Belloc » Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:28 pm

Lieris wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:Blizzard have said the only fight in Firelands they actually designed as 1-tank was Majordomo Staghelm, but most people do single tank 3 of them. So even when they do try to make it for both tanks it doesn't always work out. I doubt they've deliberately made a large portion of Dragon Soul single-tank.


If that's the case then they aren't very bright. There's no benefit to a second tank for Rhyolith and Baleroc would be impossible to meet the DPS requirements with two tanks.

We beat the heroic 10-man Baleroc enrage with three healers and 1 tank. My previous guild (a heroic rag killing guild) used 1 tank and 2 healers. Some guilds use 2 tanks and 2 healers. The enrage, pre-nerf, wasn't all that bad.

25-man guilds tend to use 2 tanks for Rhyolith and Baleroc. There's no reason not to for Rhyolith, since you generally don't want the person tanking the spark to also be tanking the adds and the tank damage on Baleroc is such that a second tank becomes beneficial.
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Re: One tank fights

Postby Darielle » Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:47 am

If that's the case then they aren't very bright. There's no benefit to a second tank for Rhyolith and Baleroc would be impossible to meet the DPS requirements with two tanks.


Post-making-sense-on-25 and Pre-lol-easymdoe Baleroc was very much doable with 2 tanks.

And even pre-making-sense-on-25 Baleroc was doable with two tanks if you were prepared to go with an asburdly low number of healers and abuse Sparks.

Rhyolith doesn't really translate well down to 10-man where Fragments explode before the Spark even spawns, but there's a clear intent for people to use two tanks, and the majority of 25-man raids two-tank it.
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Re: One tank fights

Postby Worldie » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:34 am

Remember Baleroc hc 25 originally granted a spark every 3 stacks and not ever 5 so healing was actually easier before the first change
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Re: One tank fights

Postby Skye1013 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:40 am

Darielle wrote:Rhyolith doesn't really translate well down to 10-man where Fragments explode before the Spark even spawns, but there's a clear intent for people to use two tanks, and the majority of 25-man raids two-tank it.

Dunno if you're talking about heroic, but Rhyo normal we use 2 tanks... have 1 dps on spark, 1 on fragments, rest on legs. The 2 on sparks/fragments help the other if their's is down. We might be doing it weird though...
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Re: One tank fights

Postby bldavis » Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:02 am

Skye1013 wrote:
Darielle wrote:Rhyolith doesn't really translate well down to 10-man where Fragments explode before the Spark even spawns, but there's a clear intent for people to use two tanks, and the majority of 25-man raids two-tank it.

Dunno if you're talking about heroic, but Rhyo normal we use 2 tanks... have 1 dps on spark, 1 on fragments, rest on legs. The 2 on sparks/fragments help the other if their's is down. We might be doing it weird though...

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