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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:34 am

So O'brien is going to Texans, cuz he got fed up with Penn St's Paterno people.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Teranoid » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:53 am

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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jan 02, 2014 4:31 pm

I dont follow hockey and even I know he's canadian.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:24 pm

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Re: All about sports

Postby Teranoid » Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:18 pm

Trent Richardson is without a shadow of a doubt the worst running back in the NFL right now.

Hoooooly shit.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:40 pm

I guess the Browns did something smart for once.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Teranoid » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:07 pm

Only an Andy Reid lead team could be up 28 points and still lose in the playoffs.

What a joke.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Nakama » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:52 pm

Teranoid wrote:Only an Andy Reid lead team could be up 28 points and still lose in the playoffs.

What a joke.


That was an epic collapse. I was frankly stunned once the Colts scored that 4th TD after the Chiefs had gotten so far ahead. KC gets a record 8 straight playoff losses, beating out the Detroit Lions for that honor.

Now to see whether my Pats can take whoever they face next weekend...

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Re: All about sports

Postby Jabari » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:41 pm

Both those games were insane yesterday!

And in news that surprises absolutely nobody, Triplette makes another major error. The TV guys didn't catch it either. :roll: Luckily (for Bengals fans) it didn't matter, but easily could have.

(Protip: If you stop the clock for reviewing a play, the clock should be set to where you stopped it, not left 10 seconds later...)
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Re: All about sports

Postby Fridmarr » Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:39 pm

That's two bad picks, Dalton has to step up in these games...
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Jan 05, 2014 5:33 pm

Andy Dalton is the redheaded version of Tony Romo.
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Re: All about sports

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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:37 am

Nakama wrote:
Teranoid wrote:Only an Andy Reid lead team could be up 28 points and still lose in the playoffs.

What a joke.


That was an epic collapse. I was frankly stunned once the Colts scored that 4th TD after the Chiefs had gotten so far ahead. KC gets a record 8 straight playoff losses, beating out the Detroit Lions for that honor.

Now to see whether my Pats can take whoever they face next weekend...

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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:58 am

The one thing that Browns fans have been begging for in a coach:

Someone with previous NFL Head Coaching experience.

In the "modern" history of the Browns (We'll even go back to say..... 1960's for this one), we have hired exactly one coach with previous NFL Head Coaching Experience, and even then, he wasn't a proven winner (Mangenious).

It's just always felt like we are going after the "hot shot coordinator" or the "big deal NCAA coach". WE've just never gone after a proven winner (As in that coach who has won the big game, as an NFL HC). And now, with the Indians showing what can happen when you get a "real" manager (Mr. Francona, explosion of free agent signings, good record, with rebuilding team), the Browns fans want it even more.

Until, you look at the leading "guy with head coaching experience" candidate. Josh McDaniels. Only a name like that could lead the Browns fans to beg for someone who is as conservative in play calling, boring on offense, lost as many big games as he won, hasn't coached in a few years, like the sweatervest himself, Jim Tressel.

I'm resigned to the next coach of the Browns being an epic failure.

I've already said, that if Josh McDaniels gets hired, and Johnny Football comes out in the draft, it's the marriage we all know is coming, the trainwreck we will all watch, and the failure is imminent.

Oh well, I guess, there is always the next coaching search.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Koatanga » Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:06 pm

Very few teams get a coach who has proven to be good in the NFL, because teams have a tendency to hold on to those guys until the game passes them by and they are no longer as effective as they once were.

I can think of Holmgren in Seattle, Shanahan in Washington, Dungy with Indy, Vermiel with St. Louis, Jon Gruden with Tampa, and Parcells roaming around, but after that I'm hard-pressed to think of a Super Bowl head coach who went on to any sort of success with another team.

If you just want a guy who has coached in the NFL before, I'm pretty sure Dennis Erickson is available, but if you want winning coaches, they tend to be coveted. You might coax Chucky out of retirement, but not for Cleveland.

Generally when a successful head coach comes free, he wants the Coach/GM role because he's tired of butting heads with his GM over personnel moves on his former team. Very few if any coaches succeed in the HC/GM role.

Realistically, the only guys available are hot shot coordinators and big deal NCAA coaches.

Have a look at the head coaches of the playoff teams this year, and only Andy Reid is a recycled NFL head coach. The rest were coordinators or college coaches. I'm not counting Carroll as a former NFL head coach because he spent a while in college before returning, and because his departure from the NFL was fundamental to developing the philosophy which led to his subsequent success.

I'm just saying that that's where the successful head coaches are coming from. Guys with new ideas are ruling the roost. The NFL is in a state of transition from running to passing to now something of a hybrid and the likes of Shanahan aren't up with the times.

The biggest deal, I think, is the synergy between head coach and general manager. That's what has made Seattle such a deep team. The GM churns the lower roster more than the Amish churn butter. Hundreds of roster moves each year over the first couple of years was like panning for gold - if you process enough dirt you'll find some nuggets. Our receiving corps, for example, is Tate (2nd round), Baldwin (UDFA), Kearse (UDFA), Lockette (UDFA), and Walters (UDFA). Our GM keeps finding guys nobody else wants, like Brandon Browner from the CFL, or our QB who was drafted after Jacksonville (a team in desperate need of a QB) drafted a punter, or our 5th-round cornerback Richard Sherman.

Best bet for Cleveland would be to do what Seattle did - find an egotistical head coach who wants player control, then let that head coach influence the selection of the general manager, so that the two will be on the same page and can work together, then give them the time they need to put together a winner.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:58 pm

Pretty sure the best bet for Cleveland would be to move the team to Los Angeles.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:08 pm

I guess the big thing facing the Browns fanbase is the 14 year old elephant in the room.

the 14 years of "When exactly, is "Next Year"?

2 dozen strarting QB's, 7 head coaches, probably close to 100 running backs, have all lined up to be "the savior" of the team. And every time, the fans are left scratching their head.

I realize that the NFL is far different than MLB. In MLB, you can find a guy who has had success, and build a core of former players now coaches, and succeed. In the NFL, it is all about the up and comers, the college coaches, the coordinators. It's just really frustrating. For 14 years, we have had a parade of coordinators, college coaches, whiz kid personnel guys, GM's who "get it", "Football Guys" who are going to make the decisions now, and on and on.

None of it has worked.

And now we are faced with another list of guys that are all trying to be the next great thing. Only... This isn't the "creme de la creme" list of guys trying to be the next best thing. Most of those guys, wouldn't come to cleveland based on the track record alone. Then, when you throw in the three stooges look of the current front office, and it's hard to believe that anyone who has "good" is going to end up here.

Why would you come to Cleveland to be the coach? What is the "carrot on a stick"?

Gordon? Hell, our own front office hates him.

Draft your own QB? I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the AFC N is a shitty weather division, and 8 games a year, you are playing in either Cincy, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, or Cleveland, and you are doing it outdoors, in the elements. Cleveland's weather is unpredictable at best, and miserable at worst. At some point, every season, you are going to need something other than a QB and receivers to win the game. Doubly so, since the NFL has backloaded the schedules to ensure that the end of the season is "Meaningful" in terms of games played. So, you need a ground game as well.

The Defense? Eh... It didn't play as awful as the numbers make it look, but it wasn't great either. If the offense would have been better, the Defense would have been better, and it wouldn't have fallen so flat, in so many important game situations.

A Front Office committed to winning? WEll, they say that, but they haven't shown patience, and they haven't exactly had enough time to show that they are "really" committed to winning.

Why wouldn't you want to come to cleveland?
MAMMOTH expectations. By both the fans, and the front office.
The Weather.
uncertainty in many key positions on the team.
the history
the impatience shown by the current front office.

TO me, there just aren't enough positives to attract a "serious" contender type coach. I hope I'm wrong, and that it's just the "Shoju Pessimism" (TM) showing through.

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And Flex; If it keeps going the way it has been, I'm not opposed to that. It'd give me a reason to finally not care about the team anymore.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Koatanga » Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:27 pm

You need the ownership to say "This is the HC/GM team we will have for the next 4 years come hell or high water". Bailing on a guy after 1 or 2 seasons is asinine. Coaches come in with a vision and have to make do initially with the players on the roster who may or may not fit their vision. The HC/GM need the time to replace the starters with guys they want, as well as to build the depth behind those starters. Only then can you see the picture of what the team can do.

There is no magic bullet. Teams have to commit and let the guy achieve his vision. Some people in Seattle wanted Pete Carroll gone after 2 seasons, but you can't find anyone who will own up to that today.

QBs are a bitch to find. That just has to be worked through.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:46 pm

http://deadspin.com/revealed-the-hall-o ... socialflow

And sadly, Jack Morris didn't make it.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:55 pm

http://nfl.si.com/2014/01/08/josh-mcdan ... ?eref=sihp

Also, lol, Josh McDaniels wants nothing to do with the Browns.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Teranoid » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:17 am

Pretty sure with their track record no one wants anything to do with them.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:22 am

Teranoid wrote:Pretty sure with their track record no one wants anything to do with them.


Including fans.

On the Hall of Fame side of things, I'm really tired of the selective morality of the whole thing. I'm at a point where I have steroid / PED fatigue with baseball, and the writers trying to be the police is ridiculous.

So is Maddux and Glavine not being unanimous.
So is Biggio having to wait another year.
So is Morris not making it in.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:22 am

You can argue the rightness of Lebatard selling his vote to Deadspin's readers, who put together a hell of a card by the way since no one seems to mention that, but Kornheiser and Wilbon missed the entire point he was making after just covering the reason why he did it the day before.

The day before they talked about the one voter took the righteous stand of "I won't vote for anyone who played in the Steroid era" so only voted for Morris whose career overlapped with Maddux, Glavine and Thomas' careers. So it is some arbitrary cut off date that ignores players taking "greenies" to get up for the game.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Teranoid » Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:34 am

Flex wrote:Kornheiser and Wilbon missed the entire point


Oh so another typical episode of PTI then?
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:59 am

I'd take Wilbon, Kornheiser and Heyman's outrage more seriously if they weren't hypocrites -- where was the outrage for whoever voted for Aaron Seele years ago, or left Maddux off their ballot in favor of JT Snow?

Le Batard's card was pretty darn solid, and better than the avg baseball writer, as noted by whoever gave a vote to JT Snow.
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