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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:29 pm

Teranoid wrote:The NFL owes the Browns an apology and the Browns owe anyone who ever bought a ticket or considered themselves a fan of the team an apology for being one of the shittiest franchises in football year in and year out.


Reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhW6nSLSq6Y
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:55 am

Teranoid wrote:The NFL owes the Browns an apology and the Browns owe anyone who ever bought a ticket or considered themselves a fan of the team an apology for being one of the shittiest franchises in football year in and year out.


Only for the past 14 seasons. The last 14 seasons since "the return" have really painted a picture of the browns that isn't that accurate. In the 14 seasons prior to the 1995 season (which was meaningless, since everything went to shit halfway through when modell pulled the plug),

1994 - 11-5
1993 - 7-9
1992 - 7-9
1991 - 6-10
1990 - 3-13
1989 - 9-6-1
1988 - 10-6
1987 - 10-5
1986 - 12-4
1985 - 8-8
1984 - 5-11
1983 - 9-7
1982 - 4-5 (and made playoffs in strike shortened season)
1981 - 5-11

So, while they weren't "amazing", they were hardly a joke. Adding more season, only strengthens the argument that they were at best a solid tean, at worst a mediocre team that rebuilt in predictable ebbs and flows.

But the past 14 seasons have been abysmal. And at this point, it's starting to erode the fan base, in noticeable ways. The bars around my home are getting "empty" earlier and earlier in the season over the past couple of years. Normally, they are packed, the streets are packed, and the games are a good time, right up until the end of the season. The past two seasons, there has been a steady decline int he amount of people in the bars.


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Also, I just want to say that I'm a little disappointed in the final BCS standings. some of the teams that ended up in them, vs teams that were left out, vs teams that dropped or stayed higher than they should have. I'm glad this is the last time we have to deal with this shit.

But, I was thoroughly pleased to watch the Falcons demolish the huskies Friday night. God that is still the best sporting moment of my weekend.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:03 am

Shoju wrote:
Teranoid wrote:The NFL owes the Browns an apology and the Browns owe anyone who ever bought a ticket or considered themselves a fan of the team an apology for being one of the shittiest franchises in football year in and year out.


Only for the past 14 seasons. The last 14 seasons since "the return" have really painted a picture of the browns that isn't that accurate.


That's almost as amusing as Redskins fans who still think of the team as a top tier franchise because they have Super Bowl wins from 2 decades ago. Which reminds me, DC sports radio when the Redskins drama pops out is amazing.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:55 am

Have they fired Shanahan yet?
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:31 pm

Not yet!

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Re: All about sports

Postby Koatanga » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:50 pm

Are they going to fire their GM while they're at it? Trading 3 first-rounders for RGIII, who is a consensus 3rd (at best) QB from that draft class, was a terrible move.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:32 am

Flex wrote:
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Teranoid wrote:The NFL owes the Browns an apology and the Browns owe anyone who ever bought a ticket or considered themselves a fan of the team an apology for being one of the shittiest franchises in football year in and year out.


Only for the past 14 seasons. The last 14 seasons since "the return" have really painted a picture of the browns that isn't that accurate.


That's almost as amusing as Redskins fans who still think of the team as a top tier franchise because they have Super Bowl wins from 2 decades ago. Which reminds me, DC sports radio when the Redskins drama pops out is amazing.


Oh, I don't think they are a top tier organization. They haven't been since AT LEAST 1994, and you could really argue that they were just a 'mediocre' franchise. But they certainly weren't the abysmal joke that they have been since.

Part of me really wishes the City of Cleveland would have let the Browns go to Baltimore, with the name, the records, the colors, and we start over. There are too many ghosts in the lore of the Browns that people have clung to for too long.

Does anyone really believe that if this franchise was a fresh Expansion franchise without the lore of the previous organization, it would have been given this license to suck so bad? I surely don't.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Fridmarr » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:34 pm

What would be the alternative though? Move it to a new city? I think there have been examples historically (in my life span) throughout the league that are comparable to the browns in terms of having a long stretch of bad teams. Heck, you don't even have to leave the state.

I can get your desire to separate from the past, but I don't necessarily think things would be any different from a tolerance of suckage perspective.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:23 am

Fridmarr wrote:What would be the alternative though? Move it to a new city? I think there have been examples historically (in my life span) throughout the league that are comparable to the browns in terms of having a long stretch of bad teams. Heck, you don't even have to leave the state.

I can get your desire to separate from the past, but I don't necessarily think things would be any different from a tolerance of suckage perspective.


The tolerance of suckage would be far smaller here in Ohio, as most people always fall back on the adage of "It's the Browns. They were great, they'll be great again. We just have to be patient."

There is a well known cleveland sports blog called waiting for next year. I don't know. Maybe it wouldn't be different. Part of me is just so tired of the way things have been that I'd do anything right now for a winner.

I honestly don't know what it's like to root for a team that has ever "won it all". I'm not a "big" buckeyes fan, so I can't even say that the NC's they've won in my life matter, and it's not like BGSU will ever have a chance at a national title. At this point, I can only hope that they pull off some sort of amazing stretch run, and get ranked in the top 15.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Fetzie » Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:59 pm

Don't know if anybody else here follows the English Premier League...

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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:43 pm

i know some teams, but I don't follow the EPL, so this is lost on me =P
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Re: All about sports

Postby Koatanga » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:00 pm

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Fridmarr wrote:What would be the alternative though? Move it to a new city? I think there have been examples historically (in my life span) throughout the league that are comparable to the browns in terms of having a long stretch of bad teams. Heck, you don't even have to leave the state.

I can get your desire to separate from the past, but I don't necessarily think things would be any different from a tolerance of suckage perspective.


The tolerance of suckage would be far smaller here in Ohio, as most people always fall back on the adage of "It's the Browns. They were great, they'll be great again. We just have to be patient."

There is a well known cleveland sports blog called waiting for next year. I don't know. Maybe it wouldn't be different. Part of me is just so tired of the way things have been that I'd do anything right now for a winner.

I honestly don't know what it's like to root for a team that has ever "won it all". I'm not a "big" buckeyes fan, so I can't even say that the NC's they've won in my life matter, and it's not like BGSU will ever have a chance at a national title. At this point, I can only hope that they pull off some sort of amazing stretch run, and get ranked in the top 15.


In Seattle we've dealt with decades of mediocrity. Rarely bad enough to get a good draft pick, but not good enough to make the post-season. At one point we had the NFL's longest playoffs drought.

That changed when Mike Holmgren came in, but there was a wrench in the works in the form of Bob Whitsitt who interfered with Holmgren's GM role until Holmgren "resigned" the GM role and was just the head coach. There was still friction and meddling until Trader Bob left, to be replaced by Tim Ruskell, affectionately known as "Timmay" (from South Park) because other than finding Lofa Tatupu, his drafts were pretty retarded.

Still we had managed to assemble the best offensive line in NFL history, which Shaun Alexander exploited to an MVP season and our first Super Bowl appearance. Timmay subsequently committed GM-suicide by losing Super Guard Steve Hutchinson, allowing him to bail to Minnesota where he paved the way for Adrian Peterson.

Seattle went through a bajillion left guards trying to replace Hutchinson, but the OL deteriorated and eventually Timmay was sacked.

It was at that point someone in Seattle had a stroke of genius. Rather than hiring a GM and then getting a coach who wanted to work with him, Seattle hired a coach and let him select the GM he wanted to work with. They got Pete Carroll, with his cult-of-personality "always compete" rah-rah spirit, who brought in a young GM from Green Bay who showed an excellent eye for talent. John Schneider, our current GM, used principles from gold mining - run enough material through the sluice box and you're bound to turn up a nugget every now and again - and managed to build quality depth down to the last man within 3 years of a complete rebuild.

As of this post, the Seahawks are #1 in NFL power rankings and close to securing home-field advantage throughout the playoffs, where our rabid fan base tilts the field dramatically in our favour.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Fetzie » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:37 pm

Klaudandus wrote:i know some teams, but I don't follow the EPL, so this is lost on me =P


Man Utd are the current league champions and haven't finished outside the top 5 for ages. They are floudering mid-table halfway through the season.
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Re: All about sports

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Re: All about sports

Postby Fridmarr » Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:01 pm

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-l ... --mlb.html

TLDR: MLB player who committed suicide was suffering from CTE. I've read that concussions seem to be spiking at the youth and high school level, with girls having nearly double the rate for sports that they both play. Seems like this is something that's going to be need to be tackled at a systemic level for just about every contact sport.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:38 am

So, my weekly Tuesday NFL One Liner Round Up.

I hate Phillip Rivers and The Chargers. But what really bothered me, was Denver didn't seem that.... "GO GO GO" at the end of the game for a team that was losing.
Bears Beat Browns. Why? Because cleveland is a quarter short. Again.
What's the bigger story? How bad the Texans are? Or How Indy is winning with a crap run game?
Skins and falcons. So, The skins still lost with Cousins... I guess I should be rooting for him. There are talks that the Browns are going to make a push to trade for him in the Offseason (who knows how credible that is), to have a Cousins / Hoyer / Campbell Competition in Camp
Fins beat the Pats. Good. F U Brady
Vikings throttle Eagles. That has to hurt. I mean. The Vikes have been putrid on offense, and you let them ring up 48? good job.
Seachickens blank the giants, and 12 people get 35K!
Niners beat bucks. Nothing to see here. The better team did the thing it was supposed to do.
Bills beat Jags. Could the Bills be good next year? They've shown signs of life this year with RC QB and HC.
Chiefs beat Raiders. The story here isn't the win. It's the FIFTY SIX that the most boring Offense in the league dropped on Oakland.
Panthers Beat Jets. again, not a surpise. The bigger surpsie is that it was only by 10.
Packers beat the boys. And the tears taste so good.
Cards beat the Titans. AZ is quietly looking pretty good this season. A shame that they are in such a rough spot to get to the playoffs.
Rams beat Saints. Well, I figured Drew Brees would demol... wait. What? Rams win? REALLY? would never have picked them.
Steelers beat bengels, and attempt to murder punter. Broken jaw, broken vertebrae in neck. ouch.
Ravens beat Lions. Hi. I'm a placekicker. I like to kick. I like to kick a lot.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:54 am

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One week score 3 touchdowns in 2 minutes to win a game you should've lost. Next week kick 6 field goals to win a game you should've lost.

All you need to do is just get into the playoffs and who knows what can happen.

The best thing to happen to the Redskins: Cousins showed he can be an effective Quarterback.
The worst thing to happen to the Redskins: Cousins showed he can be an effective Quarterback.

Yea he accounted for three of their seven turnovers but first start against a real NFL defense since last year and he had much better offensive production than Robert has this year. Fun times to be in DC.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:55 am

If they don't suspend that steelers guy, then the NFL is not interested in protecting its players, it's interesting in protecting WRs and QBs, because that's what attracts the money.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:01 am

The Ravens/Bengals game in week 17 could be a game that determines if the Bengals get the #2 Seed or out of the playoffs.

If the Dolphins win out, Ravens beat the Patriots, Bengals beat the Vikings and Patriots beat the Bills.

Has there been a game with that much swing?
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:06 am

At least it makes for interesting football. The whole of the NFC Least should vacate their playoff spot and give it to the cardilulz
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:46 am

I have a hard time wrapping my head around the playoff situations that would unfold where a team could either be the #2 seed, or out of the playoffs. That just seems broken.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:05 am

Ar least the AFC is filled with teams that deserve it. The NFC has one playoff team it seems.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:15 am

Flex wrote:Ar least the AFC is filled with teams that deserve it. The NFC has one playoff team it seems.


It's at least 3, possibly 4. Seachikens, 49rs and Saints. Would not mind seeing Panthers get in as a wild card.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:29 am

Klaudandus wrote:
Flex wrote:Ar least the AFC is filled with teams that deserve it. The NFC has one playoff team it seems.


It's at least 3, possibly 4. Seachikens, 49rs and Saints. Would not mind seeing Panthers get in as a wild card.


Niners are like Ravens West Coast Edition but replace Tucker with Vernon Davis bailing out a mediocre offense. Saints can't play away from Dome Sweet Dome. Panthers are a wild card in a literal sense. In a general the AFC has teams that want to get into the playoffs and win, the NFC has that in the Seahawks and everyone else is sorta good enough to get in but not showing the ability to be killers.

As an aside I think Cam will be one of the best quarterbacks in the league once the current old guard retires if he continues to play the way he has so far. He'll be better than Kap, better than Luck, miles better than RG3 and will be fighting with Wilson for best young QB. So it'll basically be Rodgers, Brees, then Cam and Wilson.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Fridmarr » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:19 pm

The dropoff after Denver is just as big if not bigger than the dropoff after Seattle (and Seattle is better than Denver), especially in a world with a Gronkless NE and a Wayneless IND.
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