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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:07 pm

Klaudandus wrote:I like peyton but guy has serious weaknesses under certain conditions...

The playoffs?
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:12 pm

Flex wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:I like peyton but guy has serious weaknesses under certain conditions...

The playoffs?


That and playing in an open stadium when the weather is below 40F...
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:23 pm

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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:21 am

I wonder how bad is Te'o's stock considering that Honey Badger seemed to impress more at the combine despite spending a year in rehab.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:21 am

Chiefs trade 2nd round pick for Alex Smith.

Weellllllllllllll shit.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:24 am

Shoju wrote:Chiefs trade 2nd round pick for Alex Smith.

Weellllllllllllll shit.


HAHAHAHA!
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:33 am

Shoju wrote:Chiefs trade 2nd round pick for Alex Smith.

Weellllllllllllll shit.


Maybe the Browns can make a move on Cassel!

Also I sure hope the 49ers don't become Jets west.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Paxen » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:40 am

Isn't that a smart trade? There's no real long-term QB prospect in this draft, and Alex Smith is a competent starter. You won't win the Superbowl with him (at least Jim Harbaugh doesn't think so!), but you can be an upper-tier team. It allows the Chiefs to wait until they're in a position to draft a good prospect, and/or take a flyer on less likely prospect, digging for a Kaepernick/Wilson if you like.

Or are you saying it's dumb trade by the niners?
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:05 pm

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Re: All about sports

Postby halabar » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:17 pm

Paxen wrote:Isn't that a smart trade? There's no real long-term QB prospect in this draft, and Alex Smith is a competent starter. You won't win the Superbowl with him (at least Jim Harbaugh doesn't think so!), but you can be an upper-tier team. It allows the Chiefs to wait until they're in a position to draft a good prospect, and/or take a flyer on less likely prospect, digging for a Kaepernick/Wilson if you like.

Or are you saying it's dumb trade by the niners?


Smart on both sides, but I wonder what the 9ers are gonna do with all the picks they have.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:25 pm

Paxen wrote:Isn't that a smart trade? There's no real long-term QB prospect in this draft, and Alex Smith is a competent starter. You won't win the Superbowl with him (at least Jim Harbaugh doesn't think so!), but you can be an upper-tier team. It allows the Chiefs to wait until they're in a position to draft a good prospect, and/or take a flyer on less likely prospect, digging for a Kaepernick/Wilson if you like.

Or are you saying it's dumb trade by the niners?



It's a fantastic trade. I believe that you can win a superbowl with smith as your QB. Last time I checked, Harbaugh W didn't win one with the guy he replaced him with (zing!), Smith didn't lose the niners the NFC title game last year. that was their stellar return man.

They are laughing, because I have been chomping all off season about how it made GOOD SENSE for the Browns to go after Smith Aggressively. I'm going to tell myself that the reason the Browns didn't come up with it, is because we don't have a 2nd rounder to part with, and I can't imagine there are too many players Harbaugh would have wanted that the Browns would have parted with to compensate for taking a 3rd rounder. I don't want to believe that we just didn't pursue him.

So now, I can go wallow in self pity as I realize that the Browns are going to give wheelchair another season. AND I'll have to watch Peyton lose in the playoffs again next year.

Oh well, Baseball season is close. I haven't been this excited for baseball in a VERY long time. Come on Francona, don't let us down.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:31 pm

The 49ers robbed the Chiefs in this trade. Smith needed to be moved both in a cap room sense and in a get this guy out of here ASAP sense. Chiefs paid too high a price for him.

Smith will revert to being the Alex Smith of old in KC for the simple fact the team around him isn't that good.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Paxen » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:34 pm

Flex wrote:The 49ers robbed the Chiefs in this trade. Smith needed to be moved both in a cap room sense and in a get this guy out of here ASAP sense. Chiefs paid too high a price for him.


That only looks at why the 49ers want to dump him, and doesn't take into account any other teams that might be interested (like, say, the Browns). Alex Smith isn't "elite" or a "franchise quarterback", but he's going to give the Chiefs breathing room until they can find such a player (or let them ignore QB and build around the defense).
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:41 pm

A-Rod is a douchecanoe, to the surprise of no one
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:46 pm

Paxen wrote:Alex Smith isn't "elite" or a "franchise quarterback", but he's going to give the Chiefs breathing room until they can find such a player (or let them ignore QB and build around the defense).


Alex Smith is Matt Cassel with a different name.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:48 pm

Flex wrote:
Paxen wrote:Alex Smith isn't "elite" or a "franchise quarterback", but he's going to give the Chiefs breathing room until they can find such a player (or let them ignore QB and build around the defense).


Alex Smith is Matt Cassel with a different name.


And just look at how Cassel turned out to be with the Chiefs
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:03 pm

Flex wrote:
Paxen wrote:Alex Smith isn't "elite" or a "franchise quarterback", but he's going to give the Chiefs breathing room until they can find such a player (or let them ignore QB and build around the defense).


Alex Smith is Matt Cassel with a different name.


My initial response was to say: "I DON'T AGREE!" But then I got looking at career numbers in my fancy dancy spreadsheet. Ugh. If anything? The numbers say over their careers Cassel has been..... "better".

Better Snaps to TD
Better Snaps to INT
Better Snaps Per Fumble
Better Snaps Per Sack
Better Yards per Snap
Better Snaps per Neg Play

Cassel is better in each category. Granted, it's not by much. All of them are within.... "relative" proximity that if this were mythbusters, I'd tell you that the difference between the two wasn't great enough to call it confirmed that Cassel is better. I would have to say it's Plausible, But that the trend is pointing "up" for Smith, with his numbers improving year by year, while Cassel's have been trending down.

I'd still take Alex Smith 10 times a day, every day over Cassel.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:04 pm

Klaudandus wrote:
Flex wrote:
Paxen wrote:Alex Smith isn't "elite" or a "franchise quarterback", but he's going to give the Chiefs breathing room until they can find such a player (or let them ignore QB and build around the defense).


Alex Smith is Matt Cassel with a different name.


And just look at how Cassel turned out to be with the Chiefs


I want to know where the '08 and '10 Cassel came from.

But that the trend is pointing "up" for Smith, with his numbers improving year by year, while Cassel's have been trending down.


The 49ers under Harbaugh with Smith as QB was built like the Ravens with Dilfer as the QB. Don't lose us the game. The Chiefs aren't that type of team where the defense, special teams or the rest of the offense that isn't the QB can out right win the game. Smith will trend down.
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Re: All about sports

Postby halabar » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:46 pm

Flex wrote:
But that the trend is pointing "up" for Smith, with his numbers improving year by year, while Cassel's have been trending down.


The 49ers under Harbaugh with Smith as QB was built like the Ravens with Dilfer as the QB. Don't lose us the game. The Chiefs aren't that type of team where the defense, special teams or the rest of the offense that isn't the QB can out right win the game. Smith will trend down.


Smith's last two years were a product of the system.

The $10m question is, can he translate that to a new environment, and/or, can Reid duplicate/improve on what it took to make Smith successful?

Edit: Still, given the other options available, gambling a 2nd round pick this year and another the next seems like a fair bet, since there are likely no NFL-starters-day-one in this year's draft, and Flynn is the only other reasonable trade candidate.
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Re: All about sports

Postby CrimsonEyes » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:00 pm

Not to mention, Smith's done badly given that every year, practically, he's had a new coach or Offensive Coordinator. He FINALLY had some stability between last year and this year....


...and now he gets a completely new coach, teammates, and offensive coordinator. No, don't expect the Chiefs to do well next year, I'm pretty sure the rest of the AFC West is thanking the 49ers for giving them two free wins next year.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:03 am

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Re: All about sports

Postby Marwan » Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:38 am

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/2/28/4039438/brady-quinn-new-york-jets-nfl-rumors

HAHAHAHAHHA


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Re: All about sports

Postby Nakama » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:26 pm

Flex wrote:
Paxen wrote:Alex Smith isn't "elite" or a "franchise quarterback", but he's going to give the Chiefs breathing room until they can find such a player (or let them ignore QB and build around the defense).


Alex Smith is Matt Cassel with a different name.


As much as I want to be positive for the home town team, I have to agree with this sentiment. Alex Smith will only be as good as Reid's coaching will allow him to be. While Reid supposedly has a good record with making something out of nothing in the QB department, I (and most of the KC fandom) don't trust that this isn't going to end up being Cassel 2.0 for the Chiefs.

If only the Chiefs had some recievers besides Bowe, there might be hope in that department, but Breaston and company do not a good receiving corps make.

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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:49 am

I don't know if I agree with the sentiment that Alex Smith was only a product of the system. In 2006, he had fairly good numbers. The only difference in 06 as compared to the past two years under Harbaugh were the number of picks he threw, and his completion %.

Alex Smith wasn't the reason that they lost last year either.

and I don't think he's a Dilfer type. Dilfer never completed 60%. Anywhere. Smith has done so 3 times. He was also over 70% when he lost his job this season. In Dilfer's SB Winning Season, he was Remarkably average.

59.3% Comp rate
1502 yds in 11 games (8 starts)
136.5 yds per g
12 td
11 int
-5.49 yds lost per sack
20 rushing attempts for 75 yds
0 Rushing Td's
8 Fumbles

That is about as "bland" as it gets at QB. You can look at either of Smith's seasons that were SB caliber teams

61.3 | 70.1 % Comp rate
3144 | 1737 Yds in 16 games and 10 games
196.5 | 173.7 Yds Per Game
17 TD | 13 TD
5 INT | 5 INT
5.89 | 6.61 Yds lost per sack
52 - 179 | 31 - 132 Rushing Attempts / Yards
2 | 0 Rushing TDS
7 | 3 Fumbles


Smith had better Comp Rates,
Better Yards Per Game
More TD's
Less Int's
More mobile

Dilfer
Lost less yards per sack

They both fumble.

To me, Saying Smith is a game manager is a fallacy, because of his horrible coaching situations. Learning new schemes, learning new things, never having a good solid core group on the team.

Suddenly, when harbaugh Shows up, and starts working with him, he improves. In the second year, he was fantastic. He was a good, not great QB, on a good team. Every QB is asked to go out on the field, and "Not Lose the Game". That's sort of the point.

Now you could make a case that Smith wasn't being asked to win the games. But, how many Qb's are really asked to go out there and win the game. Smith is an upgrade at QB for a lot of teams.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:19 pm

What amazes me is that the skins didnt shop Cousins around.

Also, on other NFL news, Falcons release Turner.
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