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Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:42 pm
by Klaudandus
The worst part is that the reason that wrestling got the boot was to make room for Golf!? Really?

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:34 am
by Fenrìr
Klaudandus wrote:


I'd rather them drop ping pong



Or synchronized swimming.

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:55 am
by Klaudandus
Ribbon twirling should get the boot too.

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:05 am
by Teranoid
How about dropping all but the 4 things people actually watch to begin with?

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:00 am
by Shoju
Teranoid wrote:How about dropping all but the 4 things people actually watch to begin with?


I watched a fair bit of the olympics this past summer. I've been surprised to hear about the wrestling, even though it's not something that I watched.

To me, the logical solution, would be to remove some of the overlap and redundancy. While I have great respect for the people who compete in gymnastics, the shear volume of gymnastic type games is astounding. I enjoyed watching the prop based floor exercises, but I wouldn't miss it if it were gone. Some of the ball routines were pretty interesting (I know, that sounds a little lame)

But to cut Wrestling seems silly.

The Olympics should be about achieving the pinnacle of your sport. To that end, I don't understand why they want to include Tennis, Golf, Baseball, Softball, Basketball, or Soccer.

Each of these Sports have a dedicated network of professional sporting leagues across the globe. Achieving the "pinnacle" of your sport has little to do with the Olympic Games. While adding them to the olympics is indeed a "badge of honor", it is by no means the pinnacle of the sport.

For me, There is no "pinnacle of sport" for "real" wrestling, outside of the Olympics. that could be a culture thing, or a personal thing, but I just don't see the WWE, or Japanese Wrestling, or TNA as even the same discipline as Olympic Wrestling.

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:14 am
by Fenrìr
Shoju wrote:The Olympics should be about achieving the pinnacle of your sport. To that end, I don't understand why they want to include Tennis, Golf, Baseball, Softball, Basketball, or Soccer.



But even then, the four latter sports don't even send in their best players to the Olympics more often than not.

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:37 am
by Shoju
Fenrìr wrote:
Shoju wrote:The Olympics should be about achieving the pinnacle of your sport. To that end, I don't understand why they want to include Tennis, Golf, Baseball, Softball, Basketball, or Soccer.



But even then, the four latter sports don't even send in their best players to the Olympics more often than not.


Another reason that they shouldn't be Olympic Competitions.

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:55 am
by Fridmarr
Shoju wrote:
Teranoid wrote:How about dropping all but the 4 things people actually watch to begin with?


I watched a fair bit of the olympics this past summer. I've been surprised to hear about the wrestling, even though it's not something that I watched.


To add to this, I'm a wrestling fan. I always try to watch a few rounds of it at the Olympics but this last year that was really impossible because they only televised it at like three in the morning. I was mostly only able to catch the American Wrestling highlights.

Obviously though the overall popularity of wrestling as a spectator sport isn't all that high, but you make some excellent points as to why it's a better fit than some other sports for the Olympics.

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:10 am
by Flex
NBC's mobile app was pretty good at letting you watch whatever you wanted to watch.

I'm actually surprised Basketball wasn't cut with how dominate the US mens and womens teams have been, on the other hand the international star power of the NBA is fairly high so I'm sure it is good for revenue.

Also, from what I understand, you wouldn't be just dropping the lesser gymnastic events but pretty much all gymnastic events.

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:33 am
by Shoju
Flex wrote:Also, from what I understand, you wouldn't be just dropping the lesser gymnastic events but pretty much all gymnastic events.



Which really doesn't make sense.
Why they feel the need to make it an "all or nothing" type thing, is baffling.

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:56 pm
by Koatanga
I think the Olympics should be about personal achievement, so i would toss out all team sports.

And yes, I say that as a rabid rugby fan who is delighted that Rugby Sevens will be in the next Olympics. If it's going to have team sports anyway, might as well have entertaining ones.

But yeah, kick out all team sports and get back to individual competition.

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:04 pm
by Flex
Koatanga wrote:I think the Olympics should be about personal achievement, so i would toss out all team sports.

And yes, I say that as a rabid rugby fan who is delighted that Rugby Sevens will be in the next Olympics. If it's going to have team sports anyway, might as well have entertaining ones.

But yeah, kick out all team sports and get back to individual competition.


So no track and swimming relay events? No team pursuit?!

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:21 pm
by Cogglamp
What about relays in track and field or swimming? That's a "team" sport. Seems silly to go the whole individual route.

How the voting IOC subcommittee considers trampoline, modern pentathlon (which really isn't modern by the way), rhythmic gymnastics, and horse jumping more fitting than wrestling to reflect the Olympic idea is beyond me.

Rulon Gardner beating Karelin, Karelin's 6-year streak without giving up a point, the Schultz brothers winning gold in LA, and Blatnick beating lymphoma, an Olympic lockout and then finally winning gold in '84.

Sorry, when you have moments like that, your sport should be grandfathered in for eternity at the Olympics.

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:29 pm
by Flex
Trampoline and Rhythmic Gymnastics are disciplines of the larger Gymnastics sport, horse jumping is part of Equestrian. The way it works is the Sport gets the spot, then they have various disciplines of the sport and then events for each discipline. So cutting those two disciplines doesn't free up the larger sport spot.

Modern Pentathlon on the other hand is its own sport that could have been cut instead.

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:36 pm
by Cogglamp
Fenrìr wrote:
Shoju wrote:The Olympics should be about achieving the pinnacle of your sport. To that end, I don't understand why they want to include Tennis, Golf, Baseball, Softball, Basketball, or Soccer.



But even then, the four latter sports don't even send in their best players to the Olympics more often than not.


3 out of 4 ain't bad.

Basketball - Colangelo and Dr. K put together their team that they thought would mesh together and win with Spain and Argentina sending their best players.

Soccer - Tell that to any Mexico fan and you'll get punched in the face. Just because Messi, Rooney, and other top tier names weren't there doesn't mean countries are sending below-grade teams. Matching talent with teamwork is a difficult balance to master.

Also, do you really think Brazil didn't care about losing the gold medal match?

Softball - This really was their pinnacle until it was taken away with the always US sending their best as well as Australia and Japan.

Baseball - I'll grant you this one. Though Cuba would probably win regardless if every country sent their best.

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:45 pm
by Flex
Pretty sure Baseball, and softball for women, wont be an Olympic sport for a while. Less international than Basketball but just as top heavy.

The exclusion of Baseball and Softball hit Softball the hardest since Japan and Hispanic nations have fairly well developed leagues for baseball, but lots of funding was cut to the startup softball programs so even if Baseball comes back Softball might stay on the sidelines.

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:57 pm
by Jabari
Cogglamp wrote:Soccer - Tell that to any Mexico fan and you'll get punched in the face. Just because Messi, Rooney, and other top tier names weren't there doesn't mean countries are sending below-grade teams. Matching talent with teamwork is a difficult balance to master.


Remember that Olympic Soccer has some very bizarre restrictions. I believe that it's "no more than 3 players over age 24" for each team. Something like that, anyway.

As far as totally cutting team sports - no way. Olympic hockey is the best hockey!

(And anyway, I'd never, ever be able to see Water Polo or Team (European) Handball if they took that away...)

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:16 pm
by Koatanga
Flex wrote:
Koatanga wrote:I think the Olympics should be about personal achievement, so i would toss out all team sports.

And yes, I say that as a rabid rugby fan who is delighted that Rugby Sevens will be in the next Olympics. If it's going to have team sports anyway, might as well have entertaining ones.

But yeah, kick out all team sports and get back to individual competition.


So no track and swimming relay events? No team pursuit?!

No relay events, no synchronised swimming or diving, no group gymnastics medals, no rowing, no basketball, hockey, bobsledding, volleyball, handball, field hockey, soccer, rugby, curling, cycling... Just individuals.

But it's not going to happen, so Kiwis will enjoy seeing Rugby Sevens, and continue to pick up our usual "sitting down" medals in rowing, cycling, sailing, and dressage.

I think it was the LA Olympics where every Kiwi medal (9 if I recall) was earned sitting down - including our archer who shot from a wheelchair.

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:32 pm
by Flex

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:42 pm
by Paxen
Yeesh, getting caught for rape is embarrasing, a black eye for the club, and then a coach laments that you can't get away with anything these days?

Looks like the Phillies need to fire their coaches and their PR department

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:36 pm
by Klaudandus

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:03 am
by Shoju

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:44 am
by Paxen
I'm surprised as well, but as I didn't know anything about Pistorius' personality before this it's hard to say that I would never have imagined something like this. Angry men do violence all the time, and if he did kill her (everything points to it so far, but it's not much information) he'll hopefully go to jail for a long time, like he deserves.

Now, the more juicy part of this: Was he on drugs, and did they make him more aggressive?

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:30 am
by Flex


And another potential sports role model/hero down.

How do you as a parent address something like this? Do you emphasis the positives while trying to keep the negatives out of it?

Re: All about sports

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:19 am
by Fridmarr
It's not easy, they know the negatives or will know when they go to school, so you can't really approach it from an information hiding perspective.