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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:18 pm

Klaudandus wrote:
Shoju wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:Well, Eagles, Jags, Cards and Jets could use a QB...


cough cough browns cough cough


Well, yeah, but I didn't want to pile on the browns =P

And the cards and jets are worse at QB than the browns.


Oh it's ok, the most Browns fans who aren't stupid realize what's up. We know that we need a QB.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:57 am

For all the dread about two weeks of nothing but Har-Bowl and Ray Lewis talk the only thing I've seen have been stories about how there will be nothing but Har-Bowl talk and Ray Lewis felating.

I've yet to see an actual piece depicting what people said we'd have nothing but of. Just people talking about how we'd have nothing but Har-Bowl talk and people going "How come no one brings up the murders?" when talking about Ray Lewis' media treatment.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Fenrìr » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:00 am

Fining a player for wearing his socks too low? What's next...having a dirty uniform after half time?
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:31 pm

Flex wrote:For all the dread about two weeks of nothing but Har-Bowl and Ray Lewis talk the only thing I've seen have been stories about how there will be nothing but Har-Bowl talk and Ray Lewis felating.

I've yet to see an actual piece depicting what people said we'd have nothing but of. Just people talking about how we'd have nothing but Har-Bowl talk and people going "How come no one brings up the murders?" when talking about Ray Lewis' media treatment.


The "angry" Browns fans still talk about the murders with Lewis. I think that his treatment in the media is what it is, because he has "appeared" (and I use " because I'm not in baltimore, so I can't say on a consistent basis) to be a completely changed man.

Though I have to say, finding out last night on ESPN that Lewis' first NFL sack was against Harbaugh West was pretty funny.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:39 pm

The Lewis thing is that no one is talking about him that I've seen except the people talking about him not having the murders talked about. So the only thing I've seen talked about is the murders, it is a weird cycle. I'm sure it'll change after this weekend though,
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Re: All about sports

Postby Jabari » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:22 pm

Ok, so are Phoenix fans allowed to commiserate with Cleveland fans for a while?

Football: The Cardinals suck, have no QB or O-Line, RBs made out of peanut brittle, just fired their coach and chased away their good D-coordinator (the defense being the lone bright spot of the team), and won a couple games they should have lost if they wanted to get one of the two "can't miss" LTs in the coming draft.

Hoops: The Suns are a complete dysfunctional mess - just fired their coach midseason, chased off their top two assistants (one of which is only one of the top 3 most beloved basketball players ever in this city) to promote a guy that everyone here seems to think was a "mole" brought in at the start of the season, have no stars (at all) - only a huge pile of role-players, a cheap-ass (possibly bankrupt) owner, a history of horrid draft picks, and the whole city's basically turned against them (well, the GM and whatever Lon Babby is, at least).

Baseball: The D-backs were decent with some good players, a couple stars, and good young arms just breaking in. Now they've made two trades, both of which have been completely shredded by the national media - first getting rid of Bauer for "not much", and now they just traded J-Up for some spare parts. It's been so bad that they also got rid of a great defensive center fielder and nobody even said anything because that got drowned out by worse stuff.

Jonah Keri @ Grantland just wrote: "Instead, this is a team that traded multiple quality players to get two shortstops who both might not solve the problem, willingly took on two years and multiple millions for Heath Bell, ditched Trevor Bauer before we could find out what he could become, and traded their best player for no good reason."

Hockey: Hey - a bright spot (nevermind that whole "lockout" thingy)! Go Coyotes! :)
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:24 pm

Jabari wrote:Ok, so are Phoenix fans allowed to commiserate with Cleveland fans for a while?

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Hockey: Hey - a bright spot (nevermind that whole "lockout" thingy)! Go Coyotes! :)


No. A bright spot does not happen in Cleveland.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:06 pm

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Re: All about sports

Postby halabar » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:21 pm

Amused by the current meltdown in Lakerland. I can only hope that they continue this way and miss the playoffs. That would be golden.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:25 pm

halabar wrote:Amused by the current meltdown in Lakerland. I can only hope that they continue this way and miss the playoffs. That would be golden.


Ditto. Only thing better would be a meltdown in Miami.
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Re: All about sports

Postby halabar » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:33 pm

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halabar wrote:Amused by the current meltdown in Lakerland. I can only hope that they continue this way and miss the playoffs. That would be golden.


Ditto. Only thing better would be a meltdown in Miami.


But you gotta understand, I live in LA. The laker nation surpasses most fan bases in terms of being utterly annoying.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:35 pm

The Capitals new system is let up 4+ goals a game and score 1.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:54 pm

Flex wrote:
Jabari wrote:Ok, so are Phoenix fans allowed to commiserate with Cleveland fans for a while?

...

Hockey: Hey - a bright spot (nevermind that whole "lockout" thingy)! Go Coyotes! :)


No. A bright spot does not happen in Cleveland.


not true. there are bright spots in cleveland. THey are called coaches, or players. These bright spots are then crushed into oblivion by the whims of the front office, and men named Lerner, Gilbert, or Dolan.

The jury is still out on the Browns Front Office guy, but I'm pretty sure that will be part of Lombardi's job description. Crushing the Hope of the Fan base, one bone chilling blunder at a time.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:01 am

The talent exodus from ESPN is continuing. Rachel Nichols has left for CNN/Turner.

Which sucks. She was one of the Female ESPN Reporters that I felt could hang with the men. I had wished that she would have ended up doing the Sunday Countdown stuff instead of Kolber. I can't stand Kolber.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:56 pm

Carl Pavano shovels snow -- out 6 to 8 weeks
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/88789 ... -6-8-weeks


And because I hate the Yankees
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/ne ... &eref=sihp
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:41 am

I don't get the hate over the Pro bowl. It wasn't unwatchable, it was a fun game. I don't expect the players to go out there and lay it all on the line for a game that

1.) Doesn't mean anything.
2.) Doesn't mean anything.
3.) Doesn't mean anything.
4.) Doesn't mean anything.
5.) DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING

The simple question you have to ask yourself, is how much do you like/love football? Do you want to see your favorite players playing in a meaningless game and having a good time?

If the answer is yes, you would like to see that, then The Pro Bowl is for you. If not? Don't watch it.

These guys aren't getting paid a million bucks to play in the game. The game doesn't mean ANYTHING to the players, and it shouldn't. They aren't going to "leave it all on the field". The design of the NFL means that the plays will be by and large "less smart" than the normal game. So easier plays, players not wanting to risk injury, and what has been built as a family experience for the entire week.

My favorite parts of the game? Jeff Saturday snapping the ball to Peyton Manning one more time. The few shots they got of the players with kids. I saw the Mannings with their kids, and I thought I saw someone else with their kids. JJ Watt lining up to catch passes.

The game is fun. It's not serious. I don't want it to be serious. I think that JJ Watt lining up as a TE/WR and the Saturday / Manning Snap were AWESOME Go, have fun, Entertain us. That's what Football is supposed to be. Entertaining. For one week a year, it should be a chance for the players to go out and have a good time. Stats don't matter. The winner doesn't matter. Go have fun. Hell, I'd love to see more of what we saw with Watt, or silly trick plays, or whatever. Who cares. It's an ALL STAR GAME. The only sport that forgot that the All Star Game was supposed to be a celebration of the games top talent is the MLB (Maybe the NHL, I don't watch it so I couldn't tell you). Do we scream and complain when the NBA All Star Game has a ridiculously high score It's not surprising when the final combined score of an All Star Game tops 250, and no one plays defense.

For the record. The NBA All Star Game has topped

300+ 1
275+ 4
250+ 8
225+ 6
200+ 1

in the Past 20 years. The average combined score of an NBA game in 2007-2008 and in 2008-09 was 199.XX So in the past 20 years, the NBA All Star Game has only been "Close to Average" 1 time.

I don't care for NBA Basketball normally, but if I'm sitting around, and it's all Star Weekend, I'll watch. Why? Because it's entertainment. I'm not expecting playoff basketball.

Sometimes, I think that the NFL Fans, and Front Office want "Playoff Football" from the Pro Bowl. And you just aren't going to get it.

I would hate to see the NFL axe the probowl. What I would really like to see them do, is have more fun with it. JJ Watt as a Receiver was cool. Saturday Snapping to Manning one last time was cool. Seeing the kids on the sidelines hanging with their dads was cool. Having Twitter Booths on the sidelines was sort of interesting.

Instead of killing the game, expand it. Have more sideline stuff. Treat it like MTV did the Rock N Jock stuff back in the 90's. Rock N Jock Softball was hilarious to watch. The MLB Softball Celebs 'n Old timers game is fun to watch. It's not serious. In a game like the NFL you aren't going to see "SRSBIZ" from the All Star game. There just is too much at stake to play that way in a game that means nothing

Now, I'm not saying bring in celebs, but if an LB wants to line up as a WR, TE, or RB? Let them. They should have Let Cribbs have some time at QB. He played QB in college. Go out, and have fun doing crazy things. Make it a game of backyard pickup tackle football, and give us some enjoyment.

You could get rid of the normal Announcers. give it to some old players, or players who are hurt and can't play in the game. Give them some fun. Make it about the players for real.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:41 am

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-01-31 ... est-names/

So A-Rod only juiced back then, in a loosey goosey era?

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure he did.

I think the PED "debacle" we'll call it, has worn me out. I just don't care anymore. Look! a new report that says a Player was lying in their sideways admission to using drugs!

How aren't these guys being caught? How aren't the tests working? Why is it that we keep hearing about this, but nothing seems to be getting better? Is it really getting worse (the way I feel it is) or is it just my patience, interest, and care about it is gone?

Why don't we care in football? Am I supposed to believe that the one sport I love is the one sport that is the "cleanest"? Surely, with all of those behemoths of men on the field, it's clean right? Have the majority of my childhood sports icons been frauds?

Big Mac, Jose, The Rocket, Sosa, Bonds, Manny,

I mean. PED's seemingly ran absolutely bonkers rampant through MLB. Am I not supposed to suspect other sports? What about MJ? Magic? Rodman? Shaq? What about Emmitt? Barry Sanders? Lebron? Frank Thomas (is adamant he never used)? Ernest Byner and Kevin Mack?

Was it just baseball and cycling? Could there be a link between Football, and Steroids (which Lyle Alzado claims contributed to his brain cancer)and CTE?

Part of me wants to know. The other part of me is as burnt out on this as I am on Brett Favre, and the retire but not really only to play a couple more seasons and be mad at the team that I was most known for playing with saga.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:13 am

It must be a day ending in "y" for its time to mock the Jets, yet again
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... s-russell/
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Re: All about sports

Postby Paxen » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:28 am

On PEDs in football, I can't believe the sport is clean. So much money involved, so high risk already (steroids are dangerous, but so's football), such a high premium on pure athletic ability...I really wish they'd do something instead of hiding all test results. That does not build confidence.

As for examples: Adrian Peterson. Abnormal recovery followed by record-setting season. No drugs were involved, and if you believe that I got a bridge to sell you.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:33 am

Paxen wrote:On PEDs in football, I can't believe the sport is clean. So much money involved, so high risk already (steroids are dangerous, but so's football), such a high premium on pure athletic ability...I really wish they'd do something instead of hiding all test results. That does not build confidence.

As for examples: Adrian Peterson. Abnormal recovery followed by record-setting season. No drugs were involved, and if you believe that I got a bridge to sell you.


It's hard to argue.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:38 am

For all the dislike I have towards Lance Armstrong as a person his statement that taking PEDs was like the water bottle on your bike rings true to me. Everyone at the top of their sport is skirting all the rules to gain the edge. I don't consider people like Sosa and Bonds frauds, I consider them the best at their sport in that environment.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Koatanga » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:43 am

Klaudandus wrote:It must be a day ending in "y" for its time to mock the Jets, yet again
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... s-russell/

All it costs to take a look at him is a space on the 84-man roster. I'd take a look at him. There's no downside at all to it, and who knows, he might turn things around.
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Re: All about sports

Postby halabar » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:44 am

Pro Powl. Comes down to one thing.

Ratings. If people aren't watching, they will change or kill it.

(However, I think the old Nielsen system seriously needs to DIAF).
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Re: All about sports

Postby halabar » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:47 am

Flex wrote:For all the dislike I have towards Lance Armstrong as a person his statement that taking PEDs was like the water bottle on your bike rings true to me. Everyone at the top of their sport is skirting all the rules to gain the edge. I don't consider people like Sosa and Bonds frauds, I consider them the best at their sport in that environment.


Yep, BUT, it's much truer for Armstrong than it was for Bonds/Sosa. From baseball, maybe a 20% cheater rate, and that might be high? Cycling was likely 75% or higher, anyone who could afford to do so, did.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:15 pm

If you think MLB was only 20%, you are being disingenuous to yourself. There is no way that it's that low in the 90's.

For other Random Stat of the Day. I've been tossing the careers of the top 100 TD scorers (and a few other) WR/TE/RB's on a sheet so that I can mess with the stats. I have to say, the one thing that stands out to me, is that Jim Brown is the only one who sports a 1+ TD/GM average at 1.07.

The top 5 are

Brown 1.07
LT .95
Steve Van Buren .93
Shaun Alexander .91
Don Hutson .91


Only two active players are close to that. Arian Foster at .98 and Adrian Peterson at .90 Don Hutson was the first WR on the list. The second on the list is Randy moss at #15 with a .72.

For Reference, Jerry Rice is #22. and not even the next WR on the list. Art Powell and TO both show up before he does.

I started running this data because Jerry Rice got a little ruffled because Moss said he considered himself the greatest receiver ever, So I started boiling it down to averages. If you take longevity out of the equation (as well as the eras they played in) their numbers are similar.
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