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Re: All about sports

Postby Koatanga » Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:33 pm

Even though my Seahawks lost, Russell Wilson, AKA RG-lite, became the first rookie in NFL history to have a 125+ QB rating in 3 consecutive games.

Or maybe he's RG-mini-me...
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:02 pm

Flex wrote:Man, the Ravens can't play well on the road until the playoffs start.

This is the type of QB that will succeed in the league. The days of Manning/BRady/Wheelchair type QB's who are limited in their mobility is coming to an end in the league. (That last sentence is just personal opinion).


He's on pace to have the best rookie QB year ever. He's always stated that he's a passing QB first and runner second. With his athletic freakness and ability to run combined with the amazing rookie year Alfred Morris is having they can freeze linebackers and safeties like no other team in the league on the play action.

I'm indifferent towards the Redskins being a Ravens fan. I like it when they lose because DC radio is better, but I don't mind RG3 being an amazing player and making the team better. If they could somehow fix that defense they could be a force for a decade.


On the "radio is better" quip, I almost think that the Sports Radio that isn't ESPN around here is better when the Browns lose. I can't believe how many stupid pills the radio jocks took this morning.

This is the beginning of a "great" thing in Cleveland you know, 8-8 is a REAL possibility. They took a "Playoff Caliber" Steelers team and pounded them into submission. I must not have been watching the same game. I saw a Cleveland Team that forced good fumbles, and a couple of good interceptions (the Billy Winn INT was a great play, but that's not going to happen all the time) by a 3rd string QB, and a beat up O Line, and still almost gave the game away. T.J. Ford's Helmet (not the player, his helmet) saved 6 points, and the Browns Playcalling to run the clock was abysmal. Yes. lets run 3 straight up the gut. That will surely get the first, and keep us on the field. 3rd and 19, what do you do? RUN THE DRAW MAN! Ugh. Don't get me wrong, it felt good to beat the Steelers, but this game does't go the same way with #7 behind center. We need more discipline, we need better Offensive production.

I almost feel like when McCoy came in after Weeden got hit, they were afraid to let him throw, and see that he might actually do something.

Good win. It felt good to be Pitt, but I'm not ready to say 8-8 here we come. this is a 4-12 / 5-11 season again. We have

@Oakland - tough to call. Before this week, I would have said Oakland by 14. Now? maybe the browns can eek one out here.
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Man... I just don't see where people think they are an 8-8 team.
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Re: All about sports

Postby twinkfist » Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:12 pm

everyone excited for the eagles and panthers game tonight? didn't think so.

my girlfriend was going to buy me tickets but no one would go...and the extra ticket would be free. people are giving away tickets right now. she's a steelers fan and thinks eagles fans are trash. she's right, but the fans make me laugh.

i'm honestly hoping that Foles shows something more than what happened in Washington. That game was ugly...but the offensive line is pure dogshit.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Fenrìr » Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:16 pm

twinkfist wrote:everyone excited for the eagles and panthers game tonight? didn't think so.

my girlfriend was going to buy me tickets but no one would go...and the extra ticket would be free. people are giving away tickets right now. she's a steelers fan and thinks eagles fans are trash. she's right, but the fans make me laugh.

i'm honestly hoping that Foles shows something more than what happened in Washington. That game was ugly...but the offensive line is pure dogshit.



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Re: All about sports

Postby twinkfist » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:40 pm

celek has gone down really fast. don't know if it's injuries or if he is like the rest of the team and has quit already.

to be honest, i don't expect much from celek tonight.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:52 pm

Fireman Ed is a cockmunch who should D-I-E Die! Die! Die!
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:06 pm

Well.... Andy Reid is gonna get fired
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Re: All about sports

Postby Fenrìr » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:38 pm

twinkfist wrote:celek has gone down really fast. don't know if it's injuries or if he is like the rest of the team and has quit already.

to be honest, i don't expect much from celek tonight.




yea, but my only other option is the Tenn TE and he's been worse than Celek at times.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Fridmarr » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:47 pm

Klaudandus wrote:Well.... Andy Reid is gonna get fired

I didn't get to see the game, but heard the first two possessions or so on the radio, and it sounded terrible. I feel bad for Reid, but he's likely to catch on elsewhere and have another run if he's interested.

Koatanga wrote:Even though my Seahawks lost, Russell Wilson, AKA RG-lite, became the first rookie in NFL history to have a 125+ QB rating in 3 consecutive games.

Or maybe he's RG-mini-me...


I tell you, there was a lot of gnashing of teeth this morning in Seattle. They had UW giving up a big lead in the Apple Cup, then getting hammered by Colorado State in Basketball.
Seattle losing on Sunday seemed like the bottom and then came the news of the suspensions of their two best corners (arguably the best combo in the league). Sounds like they'll be able to play Sunday, but if they end up each missing the 4 following weeks, Sunday becomes a pretty difficult must win I think.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:50 pm

Fridmarr wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:Well.... Andy Reid is gonna get fired

I didn't get to see the game, but heard the first two possessions or so on the radio, and it sounded terrible. I feel bad for Reid, but he's likely to catch on elsewhere and have another run if he's interested.


It was bad! But part of it was the defense -- and the crap O-line they have.

The 2nd touchdown was a TD Dragon to one of the Panthers' receivers (I dont think it was Smith) and he was completely alone... like they forgot he was there to begin with and no one covered him.
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Re: All about sports

Postby twinkfist » Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:11 am

i thought the o-line actually played well last night.

the defense was awful. that secondary is historically bad. some of the news reporters were tweeting how bad they are against the pass.

like, worst in nfl history bad.

just an awful game. rookie runningback sets the team record for yards...has two terrible fumbles and then after the game is only happy about what he showed. dick.

watching the after game player interviews i wanted to punch almost every one of those players in the face. Vinny Curry was the only guy that looked like he gave a sh!t.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:16 am

I dunno, I saw Foles getting hit because he o-line couldn't stop a wheelchair bound grandma -- although not as bad as the Bears O-line normally is.

That said, they're asking for Reid's head publicly
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/201 ... ?sdfsdfsdf

I still don't get the fascination with Jon Gruden....


Also, gotta love the disarray in the Cowboy Nation
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... -redskins/
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Re: All about sports

Postby twinkfist » Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:15 am

trust me...as bad as the o-line has been all year...last night was a major improvement for them. 1 sack and they could actually run the ball. they haven't been able to run that well almost all year.

Foles got hit...but watching the after game analysis on the local sports station they showed Foles holding onto the ball too long. He could have had a touchdown pass or two on the two field goals but he held onto the ball too long.

i feel bad for reid as a person because of his son. i don't feel bad for him in football terms. he's an arrogant dick. i've watched this shit for 14 years and it's the same thing. when they were winning he would do something to f it up. 4th and 6 inches with a 6'6" qb...i have an idea...let's not run a qb sneak. wtf?

or...wait till your starting running back goes down with a concussion to then decide to try and run the ball more often.

plus, he picked most of these players.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Koatanga » Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:31 pm

Fridmarr wrote:I tell you, there was a lot of gnashing of teeth this morning in Seattle. They had UW giving up a big lead in the Apple Cup, then getting hammered by Colorado State in Basketball.
Seattle losing on Sunday seemed like the bottom and then came the news of the suspensions of their two best corners (arguably the best combo in the league). Sounds like they'll be able to play Sunday, but if they end up each missing the 4 following weeks, Sunday becomes a pretty difficult must win I think.

If I lived in Seattle I would be one of them. Instead, I am gnashing my teeth here in Auckland. The Miami game was a free win that we failed to take advantage of. While this Sunday vs the Bears was a mandatory game anyway, having the extra game cushion from Miami would have been and would have kept us in the running for the division. Now we have conceded the division and absolutely must win in Chicago in order to make the playoffs.

If Browner and Sherman are suspended, that will be a massive blow. We don't have other guys capable of playing the press coverage like they do, which gives our DL less time to apply pressure, which lets QBs pick us apart. We don't have the offensive capability to go toe-to-toe in a shootout, so we'd be toast.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:15 pm

A quote I read on Norv Turner
"Norv Turner couldn't motivate zombies to eat brains let alone a football team."
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Re: All about sports

Postby twinkfist » Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:05 pm

carlos ruiz suspended 25 games for PEDS...unreal. well, at least i have the eagles debacle to keep me busy.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:11 pm

twinkfist wrote:carlos ruiz suspended 25 games for PEDS...unreal. well, at least i have the eagles debacle to keep me busy.


Well, you can always watch the Flyers... oh wait!
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:54 am

twinkfist wrote:carlos ruiz suspended 25 games for PEDS...unreal. well, at least i have the eagles debacle to keep me busy.


The Suspensions was for Amphetamines, which means to be suspended it has to be the second time that they have tested positive. The positive test for amphetamines leads to a penalty of more testing. The second failed test is the 25 game suspension.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:28 pm

If qbs are so concerned about getting concussions, how come I don't see more of them wearing the Great Gazoo type-helms that the Manning bros normally sport?

Just curious~
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:11 am

WARNING.

THE FOLLOWING POST IS A RANT. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ IT, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO MOVE ON NOW.

Indian's GM Shapiro tells fan if he's only buying a ticket to see the Indian's Win, "Don't Come". That's right. He really said it. Taped, to be aired on local TV. In the spot, they didn't take callers, as it was pre-taped, and aired later. Instead the host promoted it, and they answered Fan E-mails.

The Article wrote:...but there is no dispute from anyone involved about Shapiro’s answer to a critical emailer, who asked why they should renew their season tickets for 2013.

Shapiro told the emailer that if their only reason for purchasing was to see the Indians win, “Don’t come.”



Oh boy. This right here, gets the blood pumping. I'm going to pull out some more excerpts and explain. This part made me say dafuqdidhejussay?

Shapiro, when contacted yesterday, clarified his stance, but largely defended his comment to the disgruntled season-ticket holder.

“I told him if the sole reason, the only reason, for renewing is predicated on us winning, then they shouldn’t come,” Shapiro said. “I stand by that. Baseball has to mean more than just being a fan when you win.


No Shapiro. It doesn't have to mean more than that. ESPECIALLY in an area still trying to crawl itself out of the hole it died in economically. For fans who have listened to the song and dance, we are tired of being fans when you aren't winning, and then sold the "What If", and "We're a young team, we'll get it together in the next few years". We want to see continual success. You know, like we remember in the 90's. When the Owners wallet wasn't firmly planted in his clenched asscheeks.

Shapiro wrote:“No where are we spending more of our time, more of our energy or more money in trying to win. We all understand that the single-most important thing in baseball is winning and losing. But we are always going to have cycles to when we can win.”


Some fans would argue that this should read: "No where are we spending more of our time, more of our energy, or more of our money, than in trying to put on super awesome Fireworks Shows every Friday Night after the game."

The Article wrote:This is a familiar refrain, tiresome to Indians’ fans.

Call it the, Small-Market, Can’t-Sign-or-Retain-Marquee-Free-Agent Blues, and no one sings it with more regularity than Shapiro, the Dolan ownership’s articulate front man.


This idea that small market doesn't win, and that you can't do it in small markets consistently doesn't work, when according to the rankings by MLB, the Tampa Bay Rays are the #28 market by size in the league. They have been winning CONSISTENTLY and just signed their prized Third Baseman to a FREAKING $100 MILLION DOLLAR EXTENSION. Ryan Braun seems to have gotten a big deal from the Brewers, who are #27 market by size in the league. Joey Votto just got a HUGE DEAL from the Reds, and they are the #26 Market by size, and are a team on the rise. Cleveland is the #21 Market by size in the MLB. #21. Is that in the top half? No. Is that in the bottom 1/3? Yes. The question becomes though, if we can't win consistently because we are in the bottom 1/3 of market size in the league, How do you explain the Tampa Bay Rays, who in the bottom 10%? Or the Brewers? Or the Reds? Maybe it isn't a problem of market size, but rather a problem with the people who spend the small market dollars?

The Indians grouse privately about fans’ allegiance to the Browns, and how the Tribe has won more recently and more prolifically than the comedy act which has played out for 14 seasons down on the Lakefront.


Well, a couple of things here.

First: If you think that our allegiance to the Browns comes without Screaming and Yelling and cursing about it, you need to unplug your ears, and uncover your eyes.

Second: There are 8 Browns home games a year, VS 81 Indians Home Games a year. Going to a Browns game is a SPECTACLE. One that enthralls a Browns fan. It's a day long experience from tailgating, to the after hours bars and what not. You can't create that 81 times a year.

Third: I am pretty sure that all Browns and Indians fans would be happy if the spectacles, and the giveaways, and the fireworks (which are both really cool, and incredibly excessive) went away, and that money went into putting a better product on the field. I'd go to the game, and be ok with not getting the chincy cheap ass hat if it meant that we kept the good players, signed them to long term deals, and really worked hard to build a good franchise. Either sport.

Shaprio wrote:{This comment was in speaking about memories, and "other things" that baseball does as an experience}
“That has to be a part of why you come to games,” Shapiro said. “Even the best teams lose 62 times in a season. If you base your decision to come to the game on whether we win or lose, don’t come. You’re missing out. You’re missing out on what baseball is all about, and I’m fine with that.


Let me borrow a line from one of my favorite movies.

Well, allow me to retort. It has been why we have been coming to games you dumb shit. We aren't talking about the Indians miraculously going 81-0 at home. We are talking about a winner. A team that goes to the post season. A team that is constantly in the mix. A team that gives us a reason to continue to want to come to the ballparks and make those memories.

Shaprio wrote:
“I don’t begrudge our fans for not coming. That portion which won’t come if we don’t win, I’m OK with that. I don’t call them front-runners or fair-weather fans. I’m confident we will win them back, but I feel sorry for them because they’re missing out on some of what makes baseball special.”


You shouldn't be ok with it. No one should be ok with losing part of their customer base because of a bad product. If I had that attitude, I would be FIRED. And if you did call us Front-runners, or Fair-Weather Fans, we'd probably bring a riot to your office. We are fans who have spent out entire lives as Indians Fans. We've had the ups and downs. We've had the 80's, We've had the 90's, and we've had the in between years of the 00's. The problem is, unlike the 90s where we saw a real drive and determination to make the team better, we see complacency, and "oh well, we just have to try and catch "lightning in a bottle" with a group of young guys, because we can't compete with the big boys. The attitude has changed. And part of that attitude is you Mr. Shapiro.


I read this story, and I'm done. The last little piece of me that had hope in the Indians has died. The last piece of me that had hope that Francona was going to be a force of change, and hope, and a chance to turn around a franchise that has ended up rudderless and drifting through the sea of excuses and "there's always next year" just jumped off the I-480 Bridge. Shapiro, and his woe is me "We're a small market" boohoo fest just killed it.

Don't worry Shapiro. You wont have to see me at any games next year.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:28 am

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Wow... I hope the Indian fans vote with their wallet... makes me wonder if Shapiro is working for Rachel Phelps...
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Re: All about sports

Postby halabar » Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:35 am

Well, reminds me of some of the tirades I heard about the Parking Lot Attendant, until this past year when the Dodgers were finally sold. Fans voting with the wallet do make a difference.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:49 am

I think the problem is that he is banking on this sort of romantic appeal or charm baseball is supposed to have but doesnt really exist anymore... Maybe the minor league teams do, but not mlb teams, and specially not the indians... Maybe chicago cubs, but thats cuz theyre into s&m
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:44 am

Klaudandus wrote:I think the problem is that he is banking on this sort of romantic appeal or charm baseball is supposed to have but doesnt really exist anymore... Maybe the minor league teams do, but not mlb teams, and specially not the indians... Maybe chicago cubs, but thats cuz theyre into s&m


I think that baseball still has a romantic appeal, but like you said, unless the team is the Cubs, a prolonged time of "not winning" and being a joke (and the basis of a comedy about sucking as an MLB Franchise) kills the romantic appeal.

To then come out and say "Yeah... Don't buy tickets if you are expecting us to win" really just doesn't sit well with the fanbase.

If a GM said that in LA, or NY, or somewhere like that, he'd be on the chopping block with management soon. Here? I'm sure the Dolan's gave him a good ol' pat on the back, and an 'atta boy! for telling the fans that they don't intend to content.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Koatanga » Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:06 pm

To be honest, if the ONLY thing the guy is interested in is if the team wins, then he really shouldn't go to the games. He should watch it on TV, or just read the score in the morning paper.

You buy tickets to the game because you like the ambience of the ballpark and the experience of being there in person. Sometimes the team is going to win; sometimes it's going to lose. No coach of any team can guarantee a victory every time.

If I was the coach and some punk asked me if I planned to win any games next season, so he can decide whether or not to buy tickets, I'd have much the same reaction as the coach did. Get your fair-weather ass out of the stadium. If I'm the coach I have my job, identity, passion, income, and future all invested in the team. If some punk needs a win before he invests his money on a game, I have no time for him. He can take his sense of entitlement over to the Yankees for all I care.

I completely understand where the coach is coming from.
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