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Re: All about sports

Postby Koatanga » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:18 pm

No doubt Sanchez is sucking this year, but some of that has to do with the distractions around him, Holmes being out and.. oh hell I can't do that with a straight face - Sanchez really is bad. Jets blew another first-round pick and really need to stop listening to Mel Kiper on draft day.

Seahawks got hammered by Kiper this last draft, but our first-rounder has 7 sacks, our 2nd-rounder calls our defense and leads the team in tackles, and our 3rd-rounder looks like quite a promising QB.

Last time the team took a Kiper-approved pick was Aaron Curry, who was almost as good as Vernon Gholston.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:09 pm

My mother could draft better than Jerry Jones and Mel Kiper combined, even though she cannot tell Dez Bryant and DeMarcus Ware apart.

And with the season already lost, might as well experiment.

From reports around the NFL, the Vick era is pretty much over. Reid is starting Foles for the rest of the season and see if he can salvage his own job by trying to make Foles look good.

Which is why I say, might as well go with Tebow -- can't be as bad as Sanchez.
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Re: All about sports

Postby halabar » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:20 pm

and the Marlins are dumping salary faster than my wife buys purses.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:25 pm

halabar wrote:and the Marlins are dumping salary faster than my wife buys purses.


I saw that, josh johnson, buerle and reyes?

i've always hated jeffrey loria, he is one horrible human being (poor expos and now poor marlins) why do they let him own a baseball team in the first place?
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Re: All about sports

Postby halabar » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:30 pm

Klaudandus wrote:
halabar wrote:and the Marlins are dumping salary faster than my wife buys purses.


I saw that, josh johnson, buerle and reyes?

i've always hated jeffrey loria, he is one horrible human being (poor expos and now poor marlins) why do they let him own a baseball team in the first place?


I do love that they are going to the AL East... :twisted:
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:28 am

Someone needs to step in. I'm just not sure who could. I don't think the Florida Legislature has the ability to do anything, and I'm not sure that the fans could actually sue him, but I think MLB needs to step in.

This was a joke from the beginning of the season. He has bled the city for a new stadium. Maybe it's time the city let it sit empty. I would feel bad for the players who end up getting jobbed and playing in an empty stadium, but what else can you do? Don't show up to games, Don't buy his merch (not that you would be buying to many jerseys of the new marlins), It's about the only way to hurt his bottom line.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:51 am

I'll just toss my frustration in here instead of putting a sports frustration in the normal frustration thread.

A high school friend has killer club seats on the 35 yard line season tickets (Browns). Due to a promotion at work, he is unable to use them the rest of the season and is offering them up to friends at a serious discount, just so they don't go to waste.

My frustration?

The one game that I could even remotely defend dropping the cash to take my family to see, is not a home game. Dammit man.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:20 am

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumo ... ref=fromSI

This is ridiculous. The Commissioner should intervene and pretty much remove Loria from day to day operations!
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:30 am

Klaudandus wrote:http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/349360-marlins-shopping-nolasco-and-morrison-too?eref=fromSI

This is ridiculous. The Commissioner should intervene and pretty much remove Loria from day to day operations!


And in the process, the only remaining "star caliber" player on the team is FURIOUS
The City of Miami is pissed
The fans (what are left of them) are coming to terms with their depression
And the MLB just sits there. Silent.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:35 am

The thing is, people that have followed baseball for at least 20 years are not surprised by this -- seeing how Loria did exactly the same in the 90s to the Expos.

Meanwhile, the club owners cockblock Cuban because he's too hip
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:44 am

Klaudandus wrote:The thing is, people that have followed baseball for at least 20 years are not surprised by this -- seeing how Loria did exactly the same in the 90s to the Expos.

Meanwhile, the club owners cockblock Cuban because he's too hip


Oh trust me, I'm not surprised. I've never quite understood how MLB has handled the situation. Ruins one team? GREAT! Let's GIVE HIM ANOTHER ONE.

They are afraid of Cuban. They are afraid of his money. They are afraid of his ideas. They are afraid of his mouth. The MLB is like a "Old Boys Club" for rich idiots.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:46 am

Yep.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:05 am

Speaking of Cuban and baseball...http://www.sportsradiokjr.com/pages/mel ... e=10524965

Cuban actually did respond to the competition about that song and basically said that he and baseball isn't going to happen, and he's done trying.
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Re: All about sports

Postby halabar » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:15 am

Shoju wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:The thing is, people that have followed baseball for at least 20 years are not surprised by this -- seeing how Loria did exactly the same in the 90s to the Expos.

Meanwhile, the club owners cockblock Cuban because he's too hip


Oh trust me, I'm not surprised. I've never quite understood how MLB has handled the situation. Ruins one team? GREAT! Let's GIVE HIM ANOTHER ONE.

They are afraid of Cuban. They are afraid of his money. They are afraid of his ideas. They are afraid of his mouth. The MLB is like a "Old Boys Club" for rich idiots.


All true, but at some point these old farts are going to die off, and the remainder will realize they need guys like Cuban because otherwise they get McCourts and Lorias, guys who are trying to buy their way into the old school. They need to recruit the new school of rich guys.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:58 am

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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:31 am

Koatanga wrote:No doubt Sanchez is sucking this year, but some of that has to do with the distractions around him, Holmes being out and.. oh hell I can't do that with a straight face - Sanchez really is bad.


When was the last good NFL quarterback from USC drafted?
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:38 am

Good USC QB that was drafted?

Mark Sanchez? Uh... no
Carson Palmer? Uh... eh? Not really.
Matt Leinart? Lulz
Sean Salisbury? Wasnt he an ESPN Analyst for a while? He dropped off the face of the planet... Oh, and No.
Rodney Peete? Giggle.
Pat Haden? Hmmmmm NO.
Matt Cassel? Didn't. EVEN. START. A. GAME.
Bill Nelsen? No.
Pete Beathard? WHO?
Vince Evans? Who?
Paul McDonald? WHO?
Todd Marinovich? LULZ.
Rob Johnson? Could be the "best" of teh USC QB's.
John David Booty? shortest career of the bunch.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:48 am

Poor Matt Barkley.
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Re: All about sports

Postby halabar » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:53 am

Flex wrote:Poor Matt Barkley.


Might be the best thing for him. He's get drafted in the 6th round, sit on a bench someplace, hopefully behind a solid starter, learn, and perhaps get a chance to play in 2-3 years. No pressure, no expectations. (ala Brady?)
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:54 am

halabar wrote:
Flex wrote:Poor Matt Barkley.


Might be the best thing for him. He's get drafted in the 6th round, sit on a bench someplace, hopefully behind a solid starter, learn, and perhaps get a chance to play in 2-3 years. No pressure, no expectations. (ala Brady?)


lol Cassel.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:27 pm

Total Amusement.

I'm projected to win by 75 this week in my league. Yes. My opponent has all roster slots filled.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Paxen » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:39 pm

Shoju wrote:Good USC QB that was drafted?

Carson Palmer? Uh... eh? Not really.


Palmer was quite good there for a while back in the mid-00's. Didn't live up to the expectations, but he did perform pretty well in his first years in the NFL.
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Re: All about sports

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:42 pm

Plust not all the problems with the Bungles and the Raiders have been carson palmer's fault

The injury didnt help though
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Re: All about sports

Postby Shoju » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:44 am

Klaudandus wrote:Plust not all the problems with the Bungles and the Raiders have been carson palmer's fault

The injury didnt help though



If you go back and look at his career as a whole

Carson Palmer
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Completions 2453
Attempts 3,920
Yards 28,170
COMP %62.6
TD's 182
INT'S 125
QB Rating 86.4

He has played in 116 games

He Averages:

completions 21.14
Attempts 33.79
Yards 242.8 yds
TDS: 1.56 TD's
INT'S: 1.077


I found a QB who I think we would all say is "Pretty Average" for the league. Bernie Kosar. Not Great, Not Terrible.

Bernie Kosar
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He played in 126 Games.

Completions 1994
Attempts 3365
Yards 23301
COMP 59.3
TD's 124
INT'S 87
QB Rating 81.8

Per Game
C - 15.82 - (-5.32 Compared)
A - 26.7 - (-7.09 Compared)
YDS - 184.9 (-57.9 Compared)
TDS - .98 (-.58 Compared)
INT - .69 (+.38 Compared, The only category that Kosar was "better" than him)

You could argue that those numbers aren't fair, because Bernie played in a different era (or you could say that Palmer is slightly better than average) Let's look at another Average QB that is Carson's Contemporary.

You could use current Qb's like PHillip Rivers (109 Games played)

Phillip Rivers
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C - 2134
A - 3337
YDS - 26488
Comp - 63.9
TD's - 178
INT - 90
QB Rating - 95.0

Per Game
C - 19.57 (-1.57 Compared)
A - 30.61 (-3.18 Compared)
YDS - 243 (+.2 Compared)
TD's - 1.633 (+.073 Compared)
INT'S - .82 (+.257 Compared)

You Could Argue that these numbers are close enough that they are... Similar QB's in "Quality by the Numbers"


Or you could compare him against someone people think is "Really Good" "Big Ben" (123 games played)

Ben. R.
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C - 2299
A - 3629
YDS - 28866
COMP - 63.4
TD's - 182
INT's - 104
QB Rating - 92.8

And you get a per game of
C - 18.69 (-2.45 Compared)
A - 29.5 (-4.29 Compared)
YDS - 234.68 (-8.12 Compared)
TD's - 1.47 (-.09 Compared)
INT - .84 (+.237 Compared)

I started running this to prove that Palmer wasn't very good. What I'm seeing is, that he is tasked with throwing more, and completing more than "the average", and is on par with "the Good" I uh... Well, I didn't expect this. He is asked to throw more often, and completes more throws (by % as well), for more yards, with a better TD Ratio. You could argue that the increased workload of throwing accounts for the INT's as well... Let's keep running some numbers... I'm surprised.


So let's see what "greatness" in "today's" league looks like.

Mr. Manning
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C - 4912
A - 7540
YDS - 57533
COMP - 65.1%
TD - 420
INT - 204
QB Rating - 95.5

He has played in 217 Games.

Per Game
C - 22.63 (+1.49 Compared)
A - 34.74 (+.95 Compared)
YDS - 265.12 (+22.32 Compared)
TD - 1.93 (+.37 Compared)
INT - .94 (+.137 Compared)

Finally, someone who throws more, at a better clip, for considerably more yards, with more TD's, and Less INT'S. I think it's safe to say, that we already knew that Palmer wasn't... Elite.


Or "Historical" Greatness
Mr. Marino
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C- 4967
A - 8358
YDS - 61361
Comp - 59.4 %
TD - 420
INT - 252
QB Rating - 86.4

Games PLayed 242

Per Game
C - 20.52 (-.62 Compared)
A - 34.53 (+.74 Compared)
YDS - 253.55 (+10.75 Compared)
TD - 1.735 (+.175 Compared)
INT - 1.04 (-.037 Compared)

So... That's interesting...

Huh... Maybe Palmer has a bad rap? Maybe he is a lot better than we have thought.... I uh... huh.. His #'s aren't Manning-esque, but, They really aren't that far off from a man that is considered a benchmark by which others are judged...
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Re: All about sports

Postby Flex » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:37 pm

Playing in Cincinnati is a negative to any player, the franchise simply does not commit to win, they'll occasionally stumble into being competitive but being the Bungles they fall back to what they are quickly.

Palmer is about as pedestrian a QB you can get, completely okay and will be good on a better team, meaning he could be like a Jay Cutler type. Gets you to the playoffs every year but not capable of putting the team on his back. He fills the vast middle tier of QBs with the likes of everyone that isn't a Manning (heck even with 2 Superbowls Eli is completely workman in non-clutch games it seems), Brees, Brady or Roethlisberger (he's a bit hit and miss in the playoffs).
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