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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:07 pm

Enough about entanglement, more about sending data back in time with neutrinos.
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby theckhd » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:17 pm

Klaudandus wrote:Enough about entanglement, more about sending data back in time with neutrinos.

My money is still on "unidentified systematic error."
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Shoju » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:18 pm

My money is that it's the beginning of the Flux Capacitor!


Or not. I don't know wth I'm talking about for real.
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby halabar » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:32 pm

In October, they will run the experiment again, creating a black hole, and....
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby theckhd » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:15 pm

halabar wrote:In October, they will run the experiment again, creating a black hole, and....


and send the results back in time to us? :P

That's my real problem with time travel. If it ever gets discovered, we'd probably have heard about it already. :D
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:26 pm

theckhd wrote:
halabar wrote:In October, they will run the experiment again, creating a black hole, and....


and send the results back in time to us? :P

That's my real problem with time travel. If it ever gets discovered, we'd probably have heard about it already. :D


What if it is because of course-correction and we're not supposed to find it yet? I mean, seriously, a bagel dropped by a bird at exactly the spot that it would cause damage to the LHC?
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Brekkie » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:53 pm

theckhd wrote:
halabar wrote:In October, they will run the experiment again, creating a black hole, and....


and send the results back in time to us? :P

That's my real problem with time travel. If it ever gets discovered, we'd probably have heard about it already. :D


Who's to say that because time travel backwards seems impossible that time travel forwards is too?
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:05 pm

From what I gather, that's theoretically possible by getting close enough to the Event Horizon of a Black Hole without crossing it. It's technically more effective to actually get closer to the black hole, but once you cross the event horizon, the matter is getting out of the black hole.

Remember, just going faster already reduces your time compared to an static observer

You should check this out.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/fa ... abric-time
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby aureon » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:16 pm

I doubt anyone has problems with going forward, if by forward you mean 'faster' and not 'istantaneously'
And of course, there's no going back.
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:17 pm

aureon wrote:I doubt anyone has problems with going forward, if by forward you mean 'faster' and not 'istantaneously'
And of course, there's no going back.


Baby steps.

Also, remember, the true genius is not the one that created the wheel, but rather, the one that came up with the axle =P
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Weebey » Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:28 pm

It appears that a poor connection between pieces of equipment was probably responsible for the alleged superluminal measurements: http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsid ... Rc.twitter

Not terribly surprising, of course--the odds that this was actually true were very small--but it is still nice to have the error identified.
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Flex » Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:55 pm

So they could've solved this by calling their IT at the start.

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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Holyblaze » Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:10 pm

Nooooooooooooooooo!
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby theckhd » Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:51 pm

theckhd wrote:My money is still on "unidentified systematic error."

Score one for "unidentified systematic error!"
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Brekkie » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:06 am

How dissapointingly prosaic. I was hoping the nature of the error would be somewhat less basic.
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Worldie » Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:23 am

A shame, it would have opened the way to new theoryes and possibilities.

Oh well, back to the "You will never leave Earth" mentality.
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Era » Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:46 am

"Born too late to explore the Earth, born too early to explore the universe."

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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:50 am

Born just right to explore the Mists of Pandaria >.>
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Era » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:15 am

I'm sorry, I just can't be enthusiastic about MoP... :( I'll probably buy and play it, but I don't have that "OMG NEW EXPANSION!!" feeling. Then again, still early I guess. Might get me over with some fancy CGI trailers.
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Skye1013 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:25 am

Really you could input any RPG world that you enjoy exploring. I just went for MoP since it's coming Soon™ and hasn't been explored.
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Brekkie » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:46 am

Era wrote:"Born too late to explore the Earth, born too early to explore the universe."

... :'(


You'd be surprised how many amazing places on Earth are still totally unexplored and un-excavated.
I used to feel the same way, lamenting how the age of great discoveries on Earth was over. We've barely brushed the surface of our history, however. There is so much out there left to find and understand. :)
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Shoju » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:57 am

Brekkie wrote:
Era wrote:"Born too late to explore the Earth, born too early to explore the universe."

... :'(


You'd be surprised how many amazing places on Earth are still totally unexplored and un-excavated.
I used to feel the same way, lamenting how the age of great discoveries on Earth was over. We've barely brushed the surface of our history, however. There is so much out there left to find and understand. :)


I would love to be able to explore deep sea. My friends are all SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE /drool

And I'm looking at the ocean, and just drooling at the opportunity to take a manned submersible into the arctic ocean, under the ice, or into the Marianas Trench, or into the deep near antartica.

We know so little of the deep recesses of the ocean. That, would be my dream.
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Hrobertgar » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:46 am

In some ways, the deep ocean is a bigger obstacle that at least low earth orbit.

The crushing pressures primarily but also the cold and lack of light. Surface to orbit = 1 atmosphere, surface to deep ocean = 900ish atmospheres! (1 atm ~ 10m of water rought rule of thumb, bottom of Marianas trench ~ 5-6 miles ~ 9km. Water is fairly incompressible but at the bottom of a deep ocean, it may be even more than 900.)
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Shoju » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:23 pm

Hrobertgar wrote:In some ways, the deep ocean is a bigger obstacle that at least low earth orbit.

The crushing pressures primarily but also the cold and lack of light. Surface to orbit = 1 atmosphere, surface to deep ocean = 900ish atmospheres! (1 atm ~ 10m of water rought rule of thumb, bottom of Marianas trench ~ 5-6 miles ~ 9km. Water is fairly incompressible but at the bottom of a deep ocean, it may be even more than 900.)


Yeah, I was watching a special on unmanned submersibles in the trench one night, and I just... man... it would be crazy to be able to get down there. Problem is, to build a vessel for men to reach that depth, you're probably talking something the size of a WWII area sub, built for a crew of 5 or so, and that still doesn't even account for being able to "experience" the trench in a viewing manner without the pressure destroying your viewpoints.

Comparably speaking, Space is far easier than Deep Sea. the Vacuum of Space certainly doesn't present the same obstacles as the pressure of deep sea exploration.
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Re: Scientists make startling discovery

Postby Treck » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:26 pm

Made me think of:
"Well, it's a spaceship... so I'd say anywhere between zero and one."
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